Fury is leagues ahead of AJ in terms of pure boxing skill. He is extremely hard to hit for someone close to his height nevermind much shorter. I think if we get the fight, Fury wins easily on points and is capable of the knock out too.
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I’ve lost interest in boxing to an extent.
The bullshit vs quality ratio just seems to get worse and worse. Really enjoyed Berterbiev and Yarde, that was a great fight, but the histrionics, bullshit, & ducking that are allowed to go on are just turning me off from the sport.
And then, when the feckers finally get in the ring, if it doesn’t end via stoppage you’re liable to get a ridiculous set of score cards ruin the experience
its such an intriguing fight. Hopefully they stop playing the games and just get it signed.
Yep, I hate to say I told you so but...
This is the story of the man's career. He's so scared of losing. He has a bang average resume for the so called number 1 and this just further underlines the point.
Yep, he would probably out point Joshua but there is a decent chance he gets nailed. He won't even take that risk.
No one is saying he is physically scared. He's scared to lose his 0. Always looked for the easy way out his all career. He's a excellent fighter but when it's all said and done we'll never know how good he was because he ducked fights time and time again.
I hope so but it's not looking good
Fully off, confirmed by Frank Warren.
Same, still thought he was a cnut but had my respect for how he came back from where he was. He's shown himself to be a gigantic bellend again though.
Fury does have this pattern of irregularities when he's at the top. Happened when he beat Wladimir and it's seemingly happening having bested Wilder to become the WBC champion his competitiveness has dropped.
The issue however with the statement in the BBC which is outside of either promoters control (if true) is a concern:
"Usyk, the WBA (Super), IBF, WBO and Ring magazine champion, would like a proposed rematch to happen in November or December, but there are fears among Team Fury that the four belts would have fractured by then.
WBC president Mauricio Sulaiman contacted the Fury camp on Wednesday to say the governing body could not guarantee its support for an immediate rematch".
I think of all the organisations WBC are the worst especially with how long Dilian Whyte was a mandatory and they never sanctioned the Wilder fight all those years ago. But no matter what Fury comes out this looking the worst off, he offered ridiculous terms for a Joshua fight back in December and he's doing the same with Usyk. Terrific fighter but seems to undermine his opponents on the business side if the details of a rematch clause for splits is unfavorable for Usyk if he won.
The issue however with the statement in the BBC which is outside of either promoters control (if true) is a concern:
"Usyk, the WBA (Super), IBF, WBO and Ring magazine champion, would like a proposed rematch to happen in November or December, but there are fears among Team Fury that the four belts would have fractured by then.
WBC president Mauricio Sulaiman contacted the Fury camp on Wednesday to say the governing body could not guarantee its support for an immediate rematch".
I think of all the organisations WBC are the worst especially with how long Dilian Whyte was a mandatory and they never sanctioned the Wilder fight all those years ago. But no matter what Fury comes out this looking the worst off, he offered ridiculous terms for a Joshua fight back in December and he's doing the same with Usyk. Terrific fighter but seems to undermine his opponents on the business side if the details of a rematch clause for splits is unfavorable for Usyk if he won.
Fury has a track record of either prolonging, delaying or avoiding fights.
Some notable examples:
He vacated the British title instead of fighting David Price, a straight up duck
He pulled out of the Ustinov fight
He turned down 60:40 to fight AJ when he returned to boxing
He was set to fight Whyte for the WBC Diamond Belt and then decided to fight Tom Schwarz instead.
He messed about Eddie Hearn for the AJ undisputed fight in 2021, when he knew the Wilder arbitration may scupper any possible undisputed fight.
He chose to not fight Usyk last year even though AJ had agreed to step aside money, with Fury claiming he needed a tune up
He could've fought Joyce but instead chose to fight Chisora
Some people are gonna say that Fury would beat all these guys, so it's irrelevant. On that logic Fury shouldn't fight anyone since he's meant to be the best in the division. Debates on who is the better fighter are settled IN THE RING. Not online. Anyone defending Fury at this point is not being objective. People saying "why would he duck Usyk, he would school him" have been conned by Fury to believe he cares about legacy. Fury cares only for money and that's fine, all power too him, as long as he's willing to admit it (which he isn't).
And now we're at a point where the division has been held up for so long; Fury has wasted the time of so many fighters, promotors and fans, people are turning away from boxing.
Some notable examples:
He vacated the British title instead of fighting David Price, a straight up duck
He pulled out of the Ustinov fight
He turned down 60:40 to fight AJ when he returned to boxing
He was set to fight Whyte for the WBC Diamond Belt and then decided to fight Tom Schwarz instead.
He messed about Eddie Hearn for the AJ undisputed fight in 2021, when he knew the Wilder arbitration may scupper any possible undisputed fight.
He chose to not fight Usyk last year even though AJ had agreed to step aside money, with Fury claiming he needed a tune up
He could've fought Joyce but instead chose to fight Chisora
Some people are gonna say that Fury would beat all these guys, so it's irrelevant. On that logic Fury shouldn't fight anyone since he's meant to be the best in the division. Debates on who is the better fighter are settled IN THE RING. Not online. Anyone defending Fury at this point is not being objective. People saying "why would he duck Usyk, he would school him" have been conned by Fury to believe he cares about legacy. Fury cares only for money and that's fine, all power too him, as long as he's willing to admit it (which he isn't).
And now we're at a point where the division has been held up for so long; Fury has wasted the time of so many fighters, promotors and fans, people are turning away from boxing.
Boxing is just getting so tedious at the moment. I enjoy the sport, but when this continually happens it becomes a farce.
The governing bodies, promotors and greed have wrecked it
It should be simple - champion takes 60%, challenger 40% - unification = 50:50 and that’s the end of it.
It’s surprising that there remains enough interest in the sport for fighters to demand the pay days. I get some fights need to be built up, so delays are some times inevitable, but a unification of the heavyweight division should be the easiest fight to make. The winner has all the glory and will go down as a great.
I don’t watch much UFC but at least they make their top fighters actually fight and deliver for the fans.
The governing bodies, promotors and greed have wrecked it
It should be simple - champion takes 60%, challenger 40% - unification = 50:50 and that’s the end of it.
It’s surprising that there remains enough interest in the sport for fighters to demand the pay days. I get some fights need to be built up, so delays are some times inevitable, but a unification of the heavyweight division should be the easiest fight to make. The winner has all the glory and will go down as a great.
I don’t watch much UFC but at least they make their top fighters actually fight and deliver for the fans.
Mike Tyson saying ‘I had 15 fights in one year, nowadays fighters might have 1 a year if that’
The Saudi money has blurred the lines. Paying a 100m facility fee with PPV money on top is what Fury is wanting rather than Wembley with the PPV.
I don’t really understand why the organising bodies don’t just agree to no mandatories before the rematch, so long as it happens within six months from the original fight. Of course that’s if it’s the real reason for Fury not wanting the fight. Surely they recognise the money that can be generated from having an undisputed champion for a few fights. It’s undoubtable that Fury and Usyk will be retiring within the next couple years and the belts will fracture off anyway.
I’m ranting now, but it’s pathetic that Britain has two of the biggest names in heavyweight boxing currently and can’t make that fight, to now throw in a failure to make an undisputed heavyweight fight is shambolic.
Finally, Fury calling Usyk a coward
The guy was at war carrying a fecking machine gun 9 months ago, I can’t see anyone buying into that.
I’m ranting now, but it’s pathetic that Britain has two of the biggest names in heavyweight boxing currently and can’t make that fight, to now throw in a failure to make an undisputed heavyweight fight is shambolic.
Finally, Fury calling Usyk a coward
The guy was at war carrying a fecking machine gun 9 months ago, I can’t see anyone buying into that.Anyone with a brain cell can see Usyk isn't a ducker. Only one of them hasn't fought AJ. No bother, Usyk will continue making fights and cementing his legacy. Tyson will ???..... fight tomato cans
There’s only one thing for it, Fury has fight Chisora again, that’ll cement his legacy once and for all.
I'm done with Fury now.
He's 100% ducking this fight.
He's 100% ducking this fight.
“Derrick’s a dangerous opponent! He’s got nothing to lose….he’s lost that many times already that he doesn’t fear another one!”
Boxing is infuriating and truly laughable.
Boxing will always be the worst run sport
Can’t wait for Benavidez Plant. Really hope Plant does him in but I can’t see it happening unfortunately.
Benavidez 1.25 to Plant 3.75 is about as close to even money as big fights tend to get. Though Tank vs Garcia is actually a little closer.
Hey guys, haven’t been super active lately, busy with work and boxing but wanted to share this:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CqBgWdiD9KR/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=
I’ve said it before, but I have to say it again, this guy is by far the most humble superstar I’ve ever met. He is one of the nicest people I’ve ever met. Period. Really makes me proud of boxing. I do have some great plans with him. I was lucky to have first met him after his fight with Mayorga back in 2004 and have met him a few times since. This one was special last week, having met him a couple years back at the Atlantic City Boxing HOF, showing him the photo of me & him after the Mayorga fight. Then we stayed in touch and I finally made it back to Puerto Rico. It’s truly humbling to see how he treats people and the life he lives and asks for no attention for his many good deeds.
Kind of makes you sad when you see the antics of the guys fighting today who are nowhere near as successful and famous as him.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CqBgWdiD9KR/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=
I’ve said it before, but I have to say it again, this guy is by far the most humble superstar I’ve ever met. He is one of the nicest people I’ve ever met. Period. Really makes me proud of boxing. I do have some great plans with him. I was lucky to have first met him after his fight with Mayorga back in 2004 and have met him a few times since. This one was special last week, having met him a couple years back at the Atlantic City Boxing HOF, showing him the photo of me & him after the Mayorga fight. Then we stayed in touch and I finally made it back to Puerto Rico. It’s truly humbling to see how he treats people and the life he lives and asks for no attention for his many good deeds.
Kind of makes you sad when you see the antics of the guys fighting today who are nowhere near as successful and famous as him.
Crawford vs Spence is the other really annoying farce.
Would be great if fans start unanimously boycotting filler fights where there's an obvious big fight to be made, unlikely as that may be. As it is, we enable this nonsense and no one holds these promoters to account
Would be great if fans start unanimously boycotting filler fights where there's an obvious big fight to be made, unlikely as that may be. As it is, we enable this nonsense and no one holds these promoters to account
Nice to see you back in the thread man! Looks like you’re having an amazing time. What was he up to nowadays? Still involved with the sport in a big way? Also, what did he think of boxing as it is now?
Brilliant. Tito was a great fighter from probably my favourite era of following the sport. Nice to hear he's such a good guy, too.
He owns property. But his lifestyle is simple. He is very involved with the church, helps people out, told me to stay in shape he hits the treadmill daily, does garden work and he visits friends and family. He’s still so beloved in Puerto Rico. Sometimes his wife has him go to the store, expecting him back in 30 mins and he’s gone three hours because he’s been talking to his fans, taking photos etc; truly a man of the people.
Nice to see you about @Inter Yer Nan. Seems you're doing good things!
Love it
Anyone thinking of watching Lyndon Arthur on C5 tonight?
Unfortunately his scheduled opponent Suarez has blown a medical and has been replaced by a Brit called Boris Crighton who is 9-1 fighting in club shows so shouldn’t trouble Lyndon too much.
On the undercard Kazakh fighter Sultan Zaurbek is the one who has great future prospects.
Unfortunately his scheduled opponent Suarez has blown a medical and has been replaced by a Brit called Boris Crighton who is 9-1 fighting in club shows so shouldn’t trouble Lyndon too much.
On the undercard Kazakh fighter Sultan Zaurbek is the one who has great future prospects.
Nice to see Fury getting the shit he rightfully deserves. He might be the top heavyweight in the world but he’s a pathological liar and become beyond annoying.
Was a good fight and Boris did end up troubling him.
As per some of the cards were ridiculously wide.
Absolutely sick of it
What’s going on in Manchester tonight? Thanks!
Why is he a liar? It seems every boxer is a liar these days. It's a game, they're all full of shit. You should know this. Frank Warren was interviewed by IFLTV a couple of days ago and he provided pretty good evidence that this wasn't Fury ducking the fight or anything like that. He quoted Uysk's guys on talksport where he decided to phone in and speak to them live in air, and his guys were admitting that it wasn't Fury's fault etc.
People forget this is business at the end of the day. The fight will happen, this shit just needs to run it's course. Fury isn't afraid of fighting Usyk and Usyk needs Fury for the payday. It will happen.
I don't think Fury ever really fancied the fight for April once the ME money was off the table. The 70/30 UK purse grab wasn't even enough because he knew he could dwarf that amount even with 50/50 split in the ME, like Warren had originally suggested.
We can probably expect another record priced ppv tune up in May/June against someone like Andy Ruiz, before his antics start all over again for a fight with Usyk in the ME in Nov/Dec.
Kenny Bayless is a joke
The Okolie fight was terrible.
This Moses Ituama fella looks a bit special. He has speed & silver quick reflexes to combine with some frightening power. Next heavyweight super star?