The RedCafe Boxing Thread

You can’t dictate terms to a man who’s looking for excuses to avoid you.

 
Nice, I wish the guy with three belts didn’t have to give up so much, but of course Tyson is doing the same thing that he accuses others of constantly.
 
That was unexpectedly fast. I still can’t believe there won’t be further complications.
 
For whatever reason, it seemed to me like Fury was trying to avoid this fight with Usyk in April. Demanding a 70/30 split assuming Usyk wouldn’t accept…

It’s pretty clear to anyone at this point that Usyk is not standing in the way of this fight getting made. Bluff well and truly called.
 
Usyk is class. Still think fury wins but hope Usyk does. The true people’s champ.
 
Fury waiting it out hoping someone else (Joyce, Wilder?) beats or softens up Usyk before he steps in with him.
I expect them to fight late 2024.
 
No way Yoka wins against Takam tonight, that would be an absolute travesty
 
For whatever reason, it seemed to me like Fury was trying to avoid this fight with Usyk in April. Demanding a 70/30 split assuming Usyk wouldn’t accept…

It’s pretty clear to anyone at this point that Usyk is not standing in the way of this fight getting made. Bluff well and truly called.
Fury ducking, what else it new?
 
1 judge gave it to him.
Fair play to Takam he is as tough as nails.
Yeah - they had me worried they were gonna rob Takam there. Felt like he had a problem with one of his arms when the ref was trying to raise it aloft.

Yoka is really nothing special. Meanwhile Bakole casually mentioning stopping Dubois twice and Usyk once in sparring - was a bit odd.
I suppose he feels ready for the big time, but that (being a bit of a blabbermouth) is a bad rep to have.
 
Bakole doesn’t look much to me really. Probably Chisora standard but the French guy is done now which is a shame but had nothing tonight against a 42 yr old Takam.
 
Hope I’m wrong but I’ll only believe Fury/Usyk takes place in April when they both enter the ring. No problem accepting Usyk’s intentions but Fury is a different matter. Something will likely happen in the interim to kibosh it and another Warren fighter may step in instead.
 
Fury has just publicly accepted the fight on Instagram.
Like Fury's word counts for anything.

He's a brilliant fighter but a disgraceful ducking merchant. Even his hiatus starting with ducking Klitschko.
I honestly hope Usyk stuns him in that fight
 
Plant v Benevidez
Fulton v Inoue
Davis v Garcia
Usyk v Fury
Haney v Lomachenko

Solid bouts eary-mid 2023
 
Joshua and Joyce both fighting in April too Alongside Fury.

Huge month for the heavyweight division

Yeah it's been and it's going to be a solid year for boxing ideally one of the best in years. Artur Beterbiev vs. Anthony Yarde in January too, a shame about Crawford / Spence.
 
Why on earth would Fury duck Usyk? He'll probably school the guy.
He may overpower him but that's his only edge (albeit a big one).
Usyk has at least a 50% chance of the win should they meet now but if he were to have a war with someone like Joyce or Wilder first while Fury swats away a gatekeeper then that tips the scales Tysons way.
 
Fury vs Usyk off according to IFL. What a joke. Boxing is infuriating these days. The regulatory bodies need to get a grip of the so called promoters and fighters to ensure the top fights go ahead.
 
Fury comes out of this looking like the dosser but this fight happening in April never felt remotely realistic for either party.
 
Not that into boxing anymore, but Fury's fights with Joshua and Usyk both falling through definitely starts to stink of a pattern... Personally, I think he probably would win both fights, but he/his team obviously have reservations and have avoided.

Just seems strange.
 
I'm not one to say I told you so but...I really wish Fury and his entourage weren't such masters of shithousery as he is actually a darn good fighter and even with a couple of L's on his record would have got plenty of respect but he's limited his legacy with his antics over the years. Pity.
 
Not that into boxing anymore, but Fury's fights with Joshua and Usyk both falling through definitely starts to stink of a pattern... Personally, I think he probably would win both fights, but he/his team obviously have reservations and have avoided.

Just seems strange.
Said at the time he ducked Joshua, setting arbitrary deadlines thay are impossible to hit.

Fury could be one of the greatest ever but keeps ducking hard fights. Annoying because I think Fury wins both.
 
Boxing has been a shambles of late

well actually for quite a while to be fair

but the one thing it needed was this fight, it had too have this fight go ahead

and the one common denominator in these “failed too go ahead” much needed fights is Fury

I used too think the guy was a chopper, then he pulled himself back from the abyss and my respect and admiration for him sky rocketed, but this last 18 months he’s just been utterly stinking the place out and I’ve had enough of hearing from him again.

He may well still fight Usyk later in the year when potentially the Middle East might come back in again providing the money on the table they both want, more so Fury.

Heavy undisputed is a generational fight so economically it might just be falling short right now, either way, they’d still be making a tonne of money in the here and now for this fight and it’s Fury without question that has caused this too no longer be happing now.
 
Because that's what he does. And we don't know that he'll school Usyk anyway

You don't know he does. I bet every boxer in modern day history has been accused of ducking somebody at some point. Perhaps there's monetary reasons or it is to build up hype and desperation for the fight, but there's no way on earth Fury would duck Usyk in the truest sense of the word. He was stood face to face with him taking the piss like it was some little kid not long ago, Fury is not scared of Usyk.

I think Fury will school him. RedCafe and many boxing fans have always been in denial about Fury. I could go back to posts on here a few years ago (pre Vlad win I think) where people argued with me for saying he's better than AJ. People wait for even a half baked reason to jump back on him, then he comes back and emphatically makes them all look like they don't know what they're on about. We've been here before many times with Fury and it will be the same outcome again this time.
 
You don't know he does. I bet every boxer in modern day history has been accused of ducking somebody at some point. Perhaps there's monetary reasons or it is to build up hype and desperation for the fight, but there's no way on earth Fury would duck Usyk in the truest sense of the word. He was stood face to face with him taking the piss like it was some little kid not long ago, Fury is not scared of Usyk.

I think Fury will school him. RedCafe and many boxing fans have always been in denial about Fury. I could go back to posts on here a few years ago (pre Vlad win I think) where people argued with me for saying he's better than AJ. People wait for even a half baked reason to jump back on him, then he comes back and emphatically makes them all look like they don't know what they're on about. We've been here before many times with Fury and it will be the same outcome again this time.

I think people get stuck into thinking of Fury's style at a certain point in time and thinking that's what he offers. I'm not a huge fan of him personally, but he is insanely talented and has shown he can go from ultra-defensive to attacking depending on who he's fighting and outbox them regardless. He's also got the size to go with that talent.

I'm not even convinced Usyk is a better boxer. Fury a few years ago was a pure boxer, quite defensive and extremely good at it. He's definitely shown he's better than Usyk at using his size and strength. I agree with you, that Fury would be a huge favourite if they met, and for Usyk to have any chance he would have to be able to be too quick for him and we haven't seen that yet.
 
You don't know he does. I bet every boxer in modern day history has been accused of ducking somebody at some point. Perhaps there's monetary reasons or it is to build up hype and desperation for the fight, but there's no way on earth Fury would duck Usyk in the truest sense of the word. He was stood face to face with him taking the piss like it was some little kid not long ago, Fury is not scared of Usyk.

I think Fury will school him. RedCafe and many boxing fans have always been in denial about Fury. I could go back to posts on here a few years ago (pre Vlad win I think) where people argued with me for saying he's better than AJ. People wait for even a half baked reason to jump back on him, then he comes back and emphatically makes them all look like they don't know what they're on about. We've been here before many times with Fury and it will be the same outcome again this time.

This is not primary school or some road side, it's a sport with rules, with a lot of money on the line. Fury vs Usyk is definitely a physical mismatch, so I doubt Fury is scared of him in that sense. However, having not seen them in a boxing match, I can't tell you who will win, and I don't think Fury can 100%, as Usyk has bested just about all comers, looking like he could still go another level throughout his career. Fury on the other hand had a really tough time with a mobile southpaw. It's not as clear cut.

What I do know is Usyk is a genuine problem for anyone he fights, and Fury knows this, he also knows there are easier fights out there, and definitely appears to be ducking.

As has been said on this thread, Fury is a brilliant fighter but once he's in a position of strength, he habitually ducks hard fights. Even the Klitschko rematch, he didn't seem to want it.

Maybe he just truly doesn't care enough about boxing to put himself in these situations, even if he is extremely talented
 
Another nail in the coffin of boxing. What a joke it’s become. The belt holders should be made to fight the No1 challengers like they used to. 4 different bodies doesn’t help the sport at all. In fact I’d say it’s helped destroy it.
 
Fury is smart to not fight usyk if he cares about his record. He’s by far the biggest threat to it. Guys an Olympic gold medalist who exposed Antony Joshua as an average fighter, and he has no problem going the distance. Fury would need an early knockout, and usyk would dance around landing counters then go for it in the second half of the fight.