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Fury is the best of this era no doubt, head and shoulders above them all, but no way is he close to being GOAT. Prime Tyson would have destroyed Fury, Lewis beats him aswell, and Ali would school all of them.
To be considered in that conversation you have to look a who he’s fought, none of them were among the greatest, Klitchko was the only one who was decent and even then he wouldn’t last against the top heavyweights. Imo of course.
To be considered in that conversation you have to look a who he’s fought, none of them were among the greatest, Klitchko was the only one who was decent and even then he wouldn’t last against the top heavyweights. Imo of course.
Like what?
Cynical, but probably true.Colin, I watch plenty of boxing……in different weight classes too
The sport is in a shitty phase at the moment, a huge dearth of likeable fighters, most of the top guys across all divisions avoiding each other like the plague. Promotion for events is usually shite and most cards are one fight only with trash before the main event. About the only good thing to happen recently is MTK to cease operations. And no, 94k wankers on a glorified pissup won’t convince me otherwise
When Hearn came on the scene I remember him banging on about undercards, providing "value", criticising other promoters etc, and we actually got some stacked cards occasionally. Now he's as bad as the rest. Nobody puts on a solid show anymore. The UFC puts boxing to shame in this regard.
Intensity, aggression, work rate, skill, power all rolled into one..
Fury rules a division of robots, Usyk jumped up from cruiser weight to beat the biggest threat in the division and people think Ali wouldn’t have a chance against Fury?
Sorry, only seeing this now. I did mate, thanks.
Absolutely true. Dana for all his faults actually puts on a decent show more often than not. Plus the top dogs actually do fight each other. Think about 155 in the last year or so, Gaethje, Charles, Pourier, Chandler, Conor…..all fighting each other fairly regularly. Just never happens in boxing
Well the stand out best of an Era surely must rank him amongst the greats? Doesn’t have too be “the” great
Tyson can’t help who is in his Era, all he can do is beat them all and he “almost has”
for me he needs the Winner of Usyk and AJ
beat them then his name will definitely be spoken of amongst the greats
Ali is number 1 for me followed by Lewis then Tyson
The era of Fury is a time I’ll certainly be telling my young lad about, he’s outclassed everyone during his time
Can’t really warm to MMA no matter how many times I’ve tried, it’s okay entertainment but doesn’t capture me the way boxing does…
Look, styles make fights. I reckon Fury would be a handful for any HW in history. But I agree, he is nowhere near goat contention. How can someone who has fought in only 5 world title fights (and 3 against the same person) be considered an all time great?
If Fury beats one of AJ or Usyk and makes a couple of defences, he'll be in that discussion. But right now, all the Fury fanboys need to chill out.
I'm literally the opposite.
I certainly see him up there with the best British HWs. He's so far (imo) above all the current fighters its not even close. Best of this generation by some distance.
Anyway I think Joe Joyce would give Fury problems..
Joshua is beating Usyk second time round.
He s the best of his generation but he hasn’t done enough to say he’s so far ahead of Usyk or Joshua IMO. His resume is good but he only fought Whyte now when the likes of AJ and Povetkin had already long disposed of him.
Who where all these master boxers Ali fought and Tyson and Lewis? Were the majority of them not considered "robots" heavyweights aren't generally pound for pound the best boxers.. he's the most unique heavyweight ever. I think he beats all them tbh
He's a quality fighter. But we need to see him in there against a greater variety of top level opponents to really gauge how good he is against boxers from other eras.
Mike Tyson was considered to be literally invincible until he got stopped by Douglas. Lennox Lewis was cruising until he was knocked out by Mcall. Even Ali had 2 life and death fights with Ken Norton.
All of those champions took on all comers and really staked their claim as best in their generation. Most of Fury's career has been fighting puddings. I think we need to see a lot more still.
You need to go back and watch old fights and then watch fights from nowadays the skill level is completely different.
Fighters nowadays have relayed on their size for a long time and neglected skill and intensity. You have your opinion I have mine but Wallin give Fury trouble, you think Holyfield won’t?
Exactly thats why I cant rank him as near the GOATs of the sport. Head and shoulders above this generation though.
I'm the same. I'll watch a bit of UFC but it doesn't grip me like good boxing.
I used to watch every fight going, any hours of the day, post on forums. But eventually boxing wears me down and my interest has wained, purely because I have to wait longer and longer for the good fights, and I often feel short-changed by the events. When you love boxing it isn't just about a main event like it is for casual fans.
If you don't have interesting fights keeping things going in the months between the mega fights then eventually you start to lose a real connection with the sport. There are just too many mismatches, too much careful management going on. People will say it has always been like this and to some extent it has, but at the moment is a bad ebb. I looked at boxing on oddschecker the other month and it was 1/16s all over the shop.
I've seen plenty of old fights. And that's kinda my point...most of them would be considered cruiser weights in today's game. Which obviously means their lighter on their feet and generally better boxing skills. But Fury is unique for someone his size. He isn't some robotic slugger who pluds around the ring. So are they really heavyweights? They wouldn't be now
I agree it takes far to long for good fights to be made and a lot of mismatches going on, but you get moments like Andy Ruiz or Fury against Wilder and you jumping around the living room.
I think DAZN has ruined it a lot for me just about more and more money and less and less quality.
Of course they’re heavyweights. If Muhammad Ali fights Tyson Fury I’m betting everything on Ali 10/10.
Didn't look as good as he did against Wilder, but a sweet knock out. Glad he won, I like him, seems like a nice man.
I love the big juggernaut but come on now
Yes. Kiko Mattinez walloped him early doors.
Andy Lee was on undercard that night and he was in Furys corner tonight
Tyson looked sluggish tonight, Whyte even more. Uppercut was big.
He's 'retired' to get a bigger pay day on the next/final fight (Joshua). A friend of mine was the agent of the Swedish House Mafia when they retired, and the only reason they did it was that the 'comeback' tour would generate far more money than just a standard tour. This is Fury's tactic.
He's 'retired' to get a bigger pay day on the next/final fight (Joshua). A friend of mine was the agent of the Swedish House Mafia when they retired, and the only reason they did it was that the 'comeback' tour would generate far more money than just a standard tour. This is Fury's tactic.
I’m not a boxing expert but the fight was quite dull, wasn’t it? Seems Fury was just leering at a distance to take advantage of height difference and his opponent was leery of taking any risks.
If not for the handbags nothing really happened
If not for the handbags nothing really happened
He outweighs him by nearly 70 pounds it's a mismatch. Wise up.
Fury nullified Whyte with the jab and quick combos and tied him up whenever he tried to attack, was a boxing masterclass from Fury really if not overly exciting.
I think if you watched how Joshua handled Whyte and recent fights with Chisoraand others you’d realise Whyte isn’t much higher that those guys.
It was what it was, not all fights can be barn burners but was good boxing from Fury.
Butterbean would outweigh him too, if anything we’ve come to learn putting on extra weight is a mistake and not a positive.
I don't actually remember him as a boxer, just as a character on Buster Douglas Boxing on the Megadrive back in the day.As an aside. If Fury did beat AJ or Usyk it would cement his reputation as best of his generation, but given both are considered good rather than great, would it really add that much to where Fury is considered in the all-time pantheon? Feels like a major risk imbalanced - he reputation takes a big hit if he lost, but won't gain anywhere near as much if he won.
Usyk is better than good.
I think Fury will eventually take that fight the money will be astronomical and he’s looking as good as ever.
As an aside. If Fury did beat AJ or Usyk it would cement his reputation as best of his generation, but given both are considered good rather than great, would it really add that much to where Fury is considered in the all-time pantheon? Feels like a major risk imbalanced - he reputation takes a big hit if he lost, but won't gain anywhere near as much if he won.
I fear Joshua is just a shadow of himself and Usyk would have trouble with a heavyweight with fast hands so favour Fury , but I get what you’re saying bowing out now when people are saying you’re the goat is a good idea.
I think he's nailed on to fight the winner of Usyk-Joshua. Can't see him turning down the chance to become the first undisputed HW champion since Lennox when he'll be a clear favourite against either of those guys.
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Yup, reckon he'll want to fight the winner of Joshua vs. Usyk. The lure of being an undisputed and undefeated HW will be too great to ignore.
That being said, i can see him stay retired for a tad longer in case Joshua wins the rematch and it goes on to become a trilogy bout with Usyk.
That being said, i can see him stay retired for a tad longer in case Joshua wins the rematch and it goes on to become a trilogy bout with Usyk.
Great Fury. Just a class above. He was in complete control and finished like a champ. So much to like about him.
I hope (and expect) it’s not his last fight. Usyk will beat Joshua and he’ll go for all the marbles. If he wins - big if - Usyk brings a lot of problems and I’ll get more into that matchup later- then there’s always Joshu for tons of money.
It will take a brave man to bet on Fury ever losing though, I’ll say that. He’s the total package.
I hope (and expect) it’s not his last fight. Usyk will beat Joshua and he’ll go for all the marbles. If he wins - big if - Usyk brings a lot of problems and I’ll get more into that matchup later- then there’s always Joshu for tons of money.
It will take a brave man to bet on Fury ever losing though, I’ll say that. He’s the total package.
When would Fury have to “relinquish” his titles?
How long can he “hold” them, while supposedly retiring?
How long can he “hold” them, while supposedly retiring?
I think folks are right in saying Fury's resume takes him out of the greatest conversation, but he'd be a legit threat against any HW in history.