Went straight to hospital apparently. Which, to be fair, you can't really blame him for.
The RedCafe Boxing Thread
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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
They also pick out the positives of United's 4-3 loss away at Brentford, and Nik reviews a day out at Old Trafford watching Manchester United Women qualify for the Champions League.
I think you're probably right. We have seen similar examples in combat sports. Ronda Rousey dealt poorly with her losses to Holm and Nunez. Foreman didn't exactly take the Ali loss well.
When you're that unstoppable, for that long, having your mystic extinguished by losing multiple times by knockout is a tough thing to come to grips with.
Not a chance, stick some power on Fury there and Wilder is gone early.
I think AJ and Whyte absolutely wipe the floor with him.
Have to say I didn't really notice much improvement or gameplan about Wilder technically, I think he just fought a little better on the night. He managed to strike up a different determination and hurt Fury more which kept him in the fight. It was more like a last stand than refinement.
The American commentators were really talking it up just because he came out with a jab. But that's nothing new, he's tried to start off fights like that in the past but as soon as he's hurt and lets too many hayemakers go he tires and loses all form. It was the same old thing in that way.
The American commentators were really talking it up just because he came out with a jab. But that's nothing new, he's tried to start off fights like that in the past but as soon as he's hurt and lets too many hayemakers go he tires and loses all form. It was the same old thing in that way.
The fight should’ve been done after the 3rd but Fury got sloppy and let Wilder land a big shot. For the last five rounds Wilder’s face was treated like a fecking piñata. How he stayed on his feet is some kind of miracle. A cross between guts and Fury lacking power. But Wilder looked ragged as feck apart from Round 1. He gassed early and just looked to land one big swing. His danger is if he lands one, which he did. Yet despite all his much vaunted power, Fury got up off the canvas twice and dominated the rest of the fight. Wilder is a terrible boxer but a good brawler.
True Wilder was only going for 1-2’s anyway.
I used to box as a teenager, losing is the worst feeling and it made me quit the sport! Some take it better than others.
Aye, absolutely bang on.
look at all the pricks who have never boxed, nevermind had a fight 
Fury has proven himself, hands down, the best heavy weight
Fury has proven himself, hands down, the best heavy weight
Is his power that devastating though. Landed big right hands on Fury in two fights and Fury got up both times.
Fury just had Wilders number. Hearing a lot of criticism about Wilders weight, if he weighs in lighter he would have been thrown around, he weighs in heavier he gassed earlier. No positives for Deontay performance wise but showed great heart.
I thought it was a bad display by Fury's standards he admitted so himself, smothered his own work, abandoned the flicking jab until Sugar gave him a good shout, didn't use the angles to step back when close range to leverage his punches. Fight could have ended before the 6th for Fury if he had the same intensity as the second fight. But win is a win very well done can't see anyone in the HW division beating Tyson. He's a level above the competition.
I thought it was a bad display by Fury's standards he admitted so himself, smothered his own work, abandoned the flicking jab until Sugar gave him a good shout, didn't use the angles to step back when close range to leverage his punches. Fight could have ended before the 6th for Fury if he had the same intensity as the second fight. But win is a win very well done can't see anyone in the HW division beating Tyson. He's a level above the competition.
Why am I biased? I can’t stand Fury and his dickhead father
I'm sure it does. I'd imagine that for lots of competitive athletes, winning is what makes them persevere through the brutal demands of the sport (including the hits and damage they take).
I can understand things being less fun when a boxer isn't winning anymore.
If Wilder hit AJ once, he is not getting up.
I'm a AJ fan, but he can't take a punch IMO.
Mostly agree. But to my untrained eye, I think Wilder was flattering to deceive in round 1 and Fury landed the better punches.
I seen wilder start with the body punches and wondered to myself how long it will be until he goes back to his one dimensional boxing style.
The moment he got hit in the face for the first time that totally went out the window and he went back to his old ways.
It's too late for wilder to change things up and he's a very limited boxer with one very dangerous right hand.
He was a punching bag for half of the fight I think at the end of the 6th or 7th he was sitting in his corner and he was totally gassed and I knew then he had no chance to win unless he landed a lucky right.
The weight gain seemed to go against him as well, also just a classless fighter. No respect or humility I wonder what excuses he has lined up now?
Fury great performance but got a bit sloppy to let wilder back into it, I think he was too desperate for the knock out to shut wilder up again.
The moment he got hit in the face for the first time that totally went out the window and he went back to his old ways.
It's too late for wilder to change things up and he's a very limited boxer with one very dangerous right hand.
He was a punching bag for half of the fight I think at the end of the 6th or 7th he was sitting in his corner and he was totally gassed and I knew then he had no chance to win unless he landed a lucky right.
The weight gain seemed to go against him as well, also just a classless fighter. No respect or humility I wonder what excuses he has lined up now?
Fury great performance but got a bit sloppy to let wilder back into it, I think he was too desperate for the knock out to shut wilder up again.
He took a massive hit from Wlad.
Besides, judged on these three fights, he & Whyte make light work of Wilder.
But that’s Fury we’re talking about though. He’s an absolute animal.
Wilder was being taken to school in a big way against King Kong Ortiz a few years ago until he pulled out that windmill shot from the gods and got the KO. If he didn’t have that power he would be absolutely irrelevant. Probably not even a C level fighter otherwise.
Wilder was waffling on about his bench press before this fight. I took from that he was always going to weigh heavier and pretty much going for explosive power and it was going to be nothing to do with adding new wrinkles to his game tonight. To be fair it was a whisker away form working.
This is a good summary. AJ will school him until he’s hit once by Wilder. Then it’s game over.
Judging on these fights, and with AJ & Whyte’s power, Wilder is seeing stars before he gets that windmill anywhere. They would absolutely batter him.
Does he have a punchers chance against both? Obviously, but 9 times of 10 he’s back eating canvas early doors.
Like AJ, Fury's definitely a wee bit chinny. If he catches a good one, he may go down.
But his defence is light years ahead of AJ's, as are his recovery skills and his nous in knowing how to use his height and weight to his advantage when tying up. Fury just has great survival instincts.
But his defence is light years ahead of AJ's, as are his recovery skills and his nous in knowing how to use his height and weight to his advantage when tying up. Fury just has great survival instincts.
Absolutely
Whyte I can agree with. I’m not sure about AJ though, he’s lost heart and has become far too cautious and gun-shy as evidenced by his last two bouts. He also gets caught and stunned far too easily.
Because it's ridiculous to give Wilder no credit whatsoever when it is clear as day that the moment he fatigued, he then went to type, as is to be expected.
Fury was very sloppy, bit worried about that. If I'm Usyk I'm looking at that and thinking I'm two fights away from becoming the GOAT.
AJ v Wilder is probably just a shoot out really?
AJ has better fundamentals but the defence is leaky, he's quite upright, methodical, predictable. That's not a positive as he's not going to take the shots well, that's a given.
But he probably hits a bit harder than Fury. I don't think his power is all it was cracked up to be when he came through the ranks, but I'd still say he's heavier handed. He definitely has the ability to deck Wilder too.
The bad thing for AJ is he's far more restrained now. Which may be even worse as he'll perceive Wilders power as the danger. I think the longer he's tentatively in front of Wilder the more dangerous and more likely it is he gets starched. Whereas he has the size and ability to back Wilder up and reduce the risk if he went back to his older performances. If he really used his jab and was assertive he could definitely win that fight but I don't know if he's still got that dog in him
AJ has better fundamentals but the defence is leaky, he's quite upright, methodical, predictable. That's not a positive as he's not going to take the shots well, that's a given.
But he probably hits a bit harder than Fury. I don't think his power is all it was cracked up to be when he came through the ranks, but I'd still say he's heavier handed. He definitely has the ability to deck Wilder too.
The bad thing for AJ is he's far more restrained now. Which may be even worse as he'll perceive Wilders power as the danger. I think the longer he's tentatively in front of Wilder the more dangerous and more likely it is he gets starched. Whereas he has the size and ability to back Wilder up and reduce the risk if he went back to his older performances. If he really used his jab and was assertive he could definitely win that fight but I don't know if he's still got that dog in him
We’ll see in AJ’s next bout for sure if he’s completely gun shy or badly advised. He has absolutely no choice but to let the guns go, and he knows it. If he doesn’t do it, yeah, safe to say he’s done at the very top.
Also: big redemption for the cornerman Wilder fired in the second bout. He’ll be smiling.
He hits miles harder than Fury.
yup.
I don't care how good of a boxer you are. Getting in the ring with Deontay Wilder is like swimming with a shark, you never know when he's going to bite. Fury has fought with lightning three times and survived each time. A great trilogy that will stand the test of time.
I don't know, I thought that originally. He probably still has that capability. But now everybody is on the end of everything as he's so risk averse and I think they're seeing the punches. When he fought Whyte he was a completely different animal. He could punch short, he was willing to exchange to do damage, he had more variety.
I think if it's this AJ vs this Fury in power terms then it's not such a difference because it's almost roles reversed. If he starts to become the hungry challenger again that isn't scarred then I'm sure it's in his locker but it's hard to get that back for a fighter.
I really think there was a reason AJ didn't fancy Wilder, AJ has come unstuck by heavy punchers before like Ruiz.
Im a Massive AJ Fan, but tonight showed these two Fury and Wilder are very very hard men and take hits. Wilder was like a zombie like someone said above.
What a fight anyway...
You don’t lose power cause you’re gun shy though, if he let’s them go at any point, he hits miles harder, that’s just how it is.
It’s rather amusing now hearing everyone talk about how dangerous Wilder is again with his one punch, but once again, he landed some of his best shots and they lacked this “legendary” knock out power.
I thought this was debunked when Wilder admitted he ducked the fight.
Thanks. Ah, alright, a bit classless that. Sore loser.
Love Fury, great performance
My worry is that he won’t be able to get motivated for his next fight
My worry is that he won’t be able to get motivated for his next fight
Sure, but how many did he really let go against Usyk? How many did he really let go against Ruiz II? He didn't really deliver anything with maximum effect, or if he did it was so irregularly that his chances of that power becoming functional were small. The more accurate and better timing you have the more chance the power is usable but it's still partly a numbers game, if he's not throwing it then it isn't the significant factor it used to be.
My worry would be that he perceived Ruiz II as a dangerous fight for obvious reasons and then fought that way. He couldn't outbox Usyk and needed to walk through fire as his only chance but he didn't have it in him, even though it meant conceding his titles. What is he going to do in front of Wilder when he understands he's under serious threat?
He could do it, he's got the capability somewhere but at this point I wouldn't be at all confident.