Takam thinks his name is Antonio lol
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Oh yeah, Takam had him right where he wanted him. He was dishing some serious damage out to Joshua’s gloves with his face.
Come on be fair, he's a foreigner, yet somehow speaks better English than Katie Taylor and Bellew put together!!!
Fair play to Joshua for saying keep it going in the UK for the fans and the stadiums, what good works going on. Stuff the yanks, let them get up early.
It was very sudden- do agree it could have been a standing count at least.
Even better, let them watch it in the early evening
Exactly, people don't realise how dangerous even just one punch can be. When your brain is being jolted like that, anything can happen.
that was as poor as i'd seen joshua for a long while, he looked to be being patient first couple of rounds and i took that as a sign that he'd learnt from the klitschko fight not to eat shots just to get inside which he'd had a habit of doing all his career (and tbf he does end fights once he can unload and can clearly take a shot) however the headbutt seemed to rock him and he lost focus after that for me, got very sloppy and whilst never really looked in too much danger the fight became a lot closer than it should have been.
fair fecks to takam too, right from the off he set about moving awkwardly and not being a standing target like so many of AJs opponents have been. he landed some goods shots too but lacked the required power. The stoppage was probably a touch early and the ref could maybe have given him a standing count, i do think it was only a matter of time by that point so can see the logic in the stoppage however i felt for Takam as he clearly put absolutely everything into the fight and it would have been huge for him to have gone the distance, those cuts did for him in the end.
i'm prepared to give AJs performance a pass as it was a last minute change and a clearly intentional (imo) headbutt early on but he needs to do better next time
fair fecks to takam too, right from the off he set about moving awkwardly and not being a standing target like so many of AJs opponents have been. he landed some goods shots too but lacked the required power. The stoppage was probably a touch early and the ref could maybe have given him a standing count, i do think it was only a matter of time by that point so can see the logic in the stoppage however i felt for Takam as he clearly put absolutely everything into the fight and it would have been huge for him to have gone the distance, those cuts did for him in the end.
i'm prepared to give AJs performance a pass as it was a last minute change and a clearly intentional (imo) headbutt early on but he needs to do better next time
I think they do. I never get this argument really though. Let's be honest I think everyone is perfectly aware how dangerous boxing is but we're not doctors and unfortunately our entertainment comes from the fighters getting punched in the head. Most people probably see Takam doing better than expected and of course absorbing a lot of damage and are disappointed the fight got stopped cos he did look like he could take the punches and many feel he may of deserved a chance to go a bit longer. As you rightfully point out "anything can happen" and Takam would feel the same and may feel he could of won the fight and that chance was denied.
Saying all that I think it was an entertaining fight on what was a pretty awful card. Joshua would of gone on to win either way I reckon as Takam didn't have much left in him but I'd of liked it to at least go to the end of the round personally, of the actual finishing combo not much of it seemed to land clean (I've not watched it back so may be wrong.)
At the end of the previous round the ref/doctor started unnecessarily taking another look at Takam and I said to my mate that they're looking for an excuse to stop this and protect his record. Unsurprisingly the ref then jumps in as soon as AJ manages to put some punches together.
I don't think there would have been any surprises had the fight continued, but AJ would have lost his KO record and I dont think they want that. The shots that ended the fight didnt have any effect on Takam, he rolled the following shots and blocked one also. Absolutely shouldn't have got stopped.
I don't think there would have been any surprises had the fight continued, but AJ would have lost his KO record and I dont think they want that. The shots that ended the fight didnt have any effect on Takam, he rolled the following shots and blocked one also. Absolutely shouldn't have got stopped.
So you're saying the ref and the doctor were in on the plan to fix the fight. Yeh, k.
I think the stoppage was premature but the ref was doing his due diligence calling the doctors in. One of those cuts was very serious, it was open about an inch. If a fighter has blood pouring into both of his eyes and is unable to see then he is unable to adequately defend himself. The ref has a responsibility to the health of the fighters and has to answer if anything happen to the fighters on his watch. The UK boxing board, UK refs and officials are more cautious in all aspects when it comes to fighter safety than America, Mexico, Japan or any other major boxing nation. I don't think that is a bad thing though despite how people moan about it.
Really poor card last night. Yafai didnt look that great and fight was pretty boring, Whyte's fight was the worst of the night, and AJ couldn't get the knockout and didn't look that good tbf. As if that was on PPV, typical Hearn conning the public.
Weirdly SkyBet were doing a boost on round 10, 50/1, madness.
Weirdly SkyBet were doing a boost on round 10, 50/1, madness.
Thought Katie Taylor's fight was the most entertaining. Her opponent was technically inferior but tough and game.
It is a bit much that AJ fighting a 12 day replacement is box office. Fine if it's a unification title fight, but if it's whoever he fights, AJ won't be as big or popular as say Bruno, Naseem, Eubank, Benn etc were in the 90s, when they fought on terrestrial TV, cos so many people will never get to see him fight.
Second time I've seen Joshua. He was almost laughably mediocre. I don't see the hype with he or Parker. I've said it before (on Twitter, not here) and I'll say it again; Wilder does Joshua inside 7. More powerful, more agile and much better conditioning.
I don't know who is advising Joshua but they need to be relieved of that duty. He had no business being 255 pounds. All them fecking muscles clearly didn't help his power and it just tires him faster.
I don't know who is advising Joshua but they need to be relieved of that duty. He had no business being 255 pounds. All them fecking muscles clearly didn't help his power and it just tires him faster.
When was the other time you saw him?
Good interview on IFL from Frank Warren about how Joshua is good but they need to calm it down, comparing him to Ali and the like. Yes he could be bitter but I think it was valid points, AJ beat Charles Martin for Fury's vacated belt, a nobody, he also had a dust up with Dillian Whyte and was troubled at one point of the fight, and a 41 year old Kilitcko dropped him on his arse, a 41 year old who was well beaten by Tyson Fury in his home back yeard 18 months prior, toyed with in fact. I think that brings major perspective.
Frank Warren also talks about "its Takham", yes he's hard as nails on the chin but he's a 36 yeard old who's just Takham and brought in last minute. Very good views IMO.
Having said all that, and whilst seeing Warrens view and agreeing a lot, I did watch back AJ v Wlad the other night and have to say it was immense how he came out round 5 and was it round 11 like a bull in a china shop. He stunned the fight.
Frank Warren also talks about "its Takham", yes he's hard as nails on the chin but he's a 36 yeard old who's just Takham and brought in last minute. Very good views IMO.
Having said all that, and whilst seeing Warrens view and agreeing a lot, I did watch back AJ v Wlad the other night and have to say it was immense how he came out round 5 and was it round 11 like a bull in a china shop. He stunned the fight.
Wilder is fairly trash though. No technique, flawed fundamentals. He's just got a big punch but if you put the exact same skill/talent level on a middleweight body he would barely sniff any divisions top 10. At Heavyweight it can be a bit easier because of the styles of fighters and talent levels.
Wilder looked awful and probably lost 3 rounds last time out against a guy that's not top 30 in the division. He was getting out boxed and his power and opponents lack of quality got him back in the fight and got the W.
I think he's talk a lot of shite and some sense.
Firstly no one credible is saying AJ is like Ali. The effect he's having on British audiences is the only thing slightly comparable. Styles couldn't be further apart and I'm not sure anyone is saying otherwise.
He doesn't provide much context for his criticisms of AJ. He says he got rocked by Whyte, yeah he did. It's accepted Joshua fought too emotionally in those first 2 or 3 rounds, and he got a bit carried away when he rocked him in the 1st because of that. Yeah he got caught, but came back brilliantly imo. Took the 3rd to steady himself and then totally outboxed him and, importantly for me, waited for the chance to KO him. He was adaptable during the fight and corrected his mistake.
It's too easy to say now that a 41 year old Klitschko had him in trouble. Klitschko was still one of the top threats to AJ and one of the best heavyweights out there. All the experience in the world and in great shape. AJ showed a lot of intangibles in that fight that will (should) hold him in good stead in the future. AJ seems to learn from each fight, and that's more important than never making a mistake imo.
He says Joshua hasn't got a chin and I don't understand that. He's been down once when he got caught very cleanly by a 17 stone (probably 19 stone when he rehydrated) professional fighter. In my view, that doesn't equate to not having a chin. When he got caught by Whyte, he didn't go down and came back intelligent and strong for the rest of the fight. For what it's worth, I'm not saying he has a chin but I'm not saying he doesn't have a chin. He hasn't got caught enough to say he hasn't got a chin, and when he has he's come back, rode out the storm and won both times.
The title wasn't stolen from Fury. He fecked up and he lost it. He isn't eligible to fight and that's his issue, not Joshua's. He still isn't in any shape to fight and when/if he ever is, he gets first dibs and at his best, probably beats AJ. I'm not sure he ever gets back to his best though. And no point comparing Fury's fight v Klitschko to AJ's. Completely different styles, both beat him in their own ways.
No point having a dig at Charles Martin either. Joshua beat what was put in front of him, comfortably. What is he supposed to do?
And then he says Parker fought Takam better than AJ? I'm not sure at all about that to be honest. Takam nearly beat Parker, I was severely underwhelmed by Parker in that fight, it was the first time I saw him. Joshua was rocked by the (intentional) headbutt and can't really blame him for that. But I don't really think he was in trouble otherwise. Let me just say, I thought that was one of the worst Joshua performances I've seen, so I understand why he's being downplayed. I just think Warren sounds really bitter here.
Bigs up his own heavyweight Dubois I think (rightly so) but then says Cornish is on the cards etc. What's to stop people throwing the same criticisms he does at AJ, to his own heavyweight? He even says "You gotta make the right moves at the right time." Well, yes, you do.
Now I'm an AJ fan. Have been since those Olympics. He catches your eye. I'm happy with what he's doing but I acknowledge his faults. He doesn't move his head nearly enough in my view. It can be a fault that could be devastating for him. Someone like Wilder could easily catch him, and then has the power and will to finish him from there. Now I rate Joshua as a better boxer but Wilder has better conditioning and the style to beat AJ.
Both at their best, I don't think Parker beats Joshua.
The doctor said he was ok to continue, k. The ref asked the doctor to take a look...then the same ref stopped the fight prematurely the next time Joshua put a combination together.
The thing is, his eye didn't seem to bother him too much in that round. Everybody could see he was still fighting absolutely fine and alarm bells were starting to ring as Joshua looked knackered. I found it strange how the ref decided to revisit the eye at the end of that particular round.
Excited to see how Daniel Dubois progresses. Looks like an absolute beast.
Yeah one big conspiracy to protect his record...
International Hall of Fame ballots are due in today - the new one's eligible on the ballot are Erik Morales, Vitali Klitshcko, Winky Wright, Ivan Calderon and Ricky Hatton and some of the same more familiar names still not inducted are Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank, Gilberto Roman, Santos Laciar, Genaro Hernandez, Fernando Vargas.
3 get inducted and the voters chose 5. The top 3 get in. From the people I know that have the chance to vote it appears Morales is the only lock (rightly so, he's perhaps the only "GREAT" fighter on the ballot and it seems Vitali is the second most common and Wright the third, but I wouldn't be surprised if Hatton gets enough votes to get in. I don't view him as Hall of Fame caliber and I certainly view Benn as a better fighter, but sometimes it doesn't work like that.
My votes in order (most deserving to least) would be - Erik Morales, Gilberto Roman, Santos Laciar, Vitali Klitschko, Ivan Calderon.
3 get inducted and the voters chose 5. The top 3 get in. From the people I know that have the chance to vote it appears Morales is the only lock (rightly so, he's perhaps the only "GREAT" fighter on the ballot and it seems Vitali is the second most common and Wright the third, but I wouldn't be surprised if Hatton gets enough votes to get in. I don't view him as Hall of Fame caliber and I certainly view Benn as a better fighter, but sometimes it doesn't work like that.
My votes in order (most deserving to least) would be - Erik Morales, Gilberto Roman, Santos Laciar, Vitali Klitschko, Ivan Calderon.
Anyone know what time Wilder is going to walk out ?
About 10 minutes before Stiverne’s KOd
Another Eubank!
Anyone watching the broadhurst v bivol fight? finding it incredibly weird, in a tiny little room in a casino with the lights on, about 150 people there, next to no noise and mike ashley reffing
Finished inside a round
Finished inside a round
Anyone watching the broadhurst v bivol fight? finding it incredibly weird, in a tiny little room in a casino with the lights on, about 150 people there, next to no noise and mike ashley reffing
Finished inside a round
That KO was rather bizarre
Yeah, a nothing punch really, casual right hand
Seems a waste flying michael buffer all the way over for that rubbish
What the feck was that fight & what the feck is that crowd??
I guess this should pretty much set Wilder Joshua up nicely.
Hope so, but I fear Joshua will dodge Wilder for a little while yet.
Who was the bum Wilder was fighting. How is that guy even a proffesional boxer?
As much as I want to see Wilder vs Joshua I think Wilder needs to go take that belt off of Parker and built this fight up because it could be massive. They both just have to keep cleaning out the División but Wilder is actually a rubbish boxer and it’s really only a matter of time before he’s undone.
As much as I want to see Wilder vs Joshua I think Wilder needs to go take that belt off of Parker and built this fight up because it could be massive. They both just have to keep cleaning out the División but Wilder is actually a rubbish boxer and it’s really only a matter of time before he’s undone.
Wilder looks shocking. He swings like a street fighter. He's got a huge right hand but his boxing skills are lacking.
Joshua beats him on points if he's clever. The danger is that Wilder gets him with a straight right like the one he planted last night - it's similar to the one Klitschko landed to knock him down. If Joshua doesn't move his head (probably his biggest flaw) he's always giving Wilder an opportunity.
Joshua beats him on points if he's clever. The danger is that Wilder gets him with a straight right like the one he planted last night - it's similar to the one Klitschko landed to knock him down. If Joshua doesn't move his head (probably his biggest flaw) he's always giving Wilder an opportunity.
You see Joshua going the distance with a puncher like Wilder? No way.
Well, I've not actually seen Wilder go deep into a fight so maybe he fatigues as badly as Joshua does.
Joshua has shown that against White and Kiltch he's pretty vulnerable.
I'd like to see Wilder Parker, Joshua Fury and then Wilder Joshua providing they both come through the first fight.
He took Wilder the distance just 2 years ago.