God damn Gonzalez is amazing.
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Gonzalez-Inoue is arguably the best fight that can be made.
Monroe barely survives.
Big Drama Show.
Great effort by Monroe in Round 4.
Now this is boxing, 2 warriors slugging it out, not that shitfest mayweather made a fortune from
An impressive 20th TKO in a row for GGG.
HBO are killing it right now. They are showcasing all of the most entertaining boxers in the world.
GGG's chin is ridiculous btw. Monroe showed a lot of heart though.
GGG's chin is ridiculous btw. Monroe showed a lot of heart though.
GGG highlights:
Hope there's a GGG vs Canelo fight soon, it's the only real challenge I could see GGG having really. 20 in a row with knockouts is ridiculous.
Good share, cheers @Kazi
http://www1.skysports.com/boxing/ne...ce-gennady-golovkin-in-possible-farewell-bout
Talk of Froch vs Golovkin at Wembley stadium. Froch going full circle and being knocked out in front of 80,000 people?
Talk of Froch vs Golovkin at Wembley stadium. Froch going full circle and being knocked out in front of 80,000 people?
Froch is too brave, I wish he could have been the first to stop Chavez in Vegas, that would have been a nice ending to a great career.
Froch is a world class fighter who is bigger than Golovkin. All GGG's strengths in the ring will be reduced against a bigger fighter with greater reach: strength and power namely. He shouldn't be able to bully Froch like we have seen him bully middleweights. I say 'shouldn't' of course.
It would be a great fight.
Deffo going to this if it's in london
Froch's major problem would be his lack of ring time. He's been inactive for a year now and whilst he prides himself on being in fighting shape all the time GGG has fought 4 times since Froch last fought (and knocked every opponent out in that time!)
It's definitely his biggest test so far though, Froch's advantage is he doesn't get knocked out early and he gets better later in rounds. Hopefully it happens as it's the most interesting fight that could happen in that division, whilst it's not Vegas it would be some way for Froch to go out.
No way Froch is taking this in my opinion. GGG is too powerful and too hungry. A high risk fight - one if he lost would tarnish his legacy.
Having said that, if anyone can stand up to GGG's punches, it's Froch. He has a granite chin.
Having said that, if anyone can stand up to GGG's punches, it's Froch. He has a granite chin.
If it's made, and I doubt it will be because it's last fight career suicide for Carl, then this would be in Vegas where Froch has yearned to fight and Golovkin is now based. 2 of his last 3 fights have all been on the west coast and the Mexican fan base even cheered for him over one of their own in Rubio.
Just been announced on Sky that Eddie Hearn has said he has held the first official round of talks about the possible fight between Froch and GGG.
In priniciple I agree with both of you. but i just get that feeling GGG would walk it.
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Golovkin the boogeyman has been created by him erasing B & C level middleweights. Froch is an A level super middleweight. I lean towards GGG mainly due to the stages of their careers they are at but I would be surprised it Froch was destroyed.
I hope you're right. If there is a man not afraid to 'fight' then surely that has to be Carl Froch.
James Degale fighting Andre Dirrell for the IBF Super Middleweight title. Hardly seen Dirrell. I know he lost to Froch 2009. Every time I see Degale, I see a really talented boxer, and have always rated his skills higher than Groves. They both look good on the weigh in.
GGG puts him down, terrible fight for Froch.
Froch-GGG is a great fight, I love it, really behind it. GGG is moving up to help out Froch, but unlike say Joe, Froch is taking on a challenge to finish his career. He gave us Brits what he begged for in the Groves fights(what Joe should of done and didn't with Froch), and is going after a genuine top guy to finish instead of 40 year olds, one of which was a guaranteed win. Yeah, he's not gonna do Degale, but that's Degales fault for losing to Groves in the first place.
It really is a big fight for both as well. Could be an absolute stormer of a fight. It makes GGG a superstar or gives Froch legit credentials to argue himself over Joe in classic retirement squabbles when they sit together on ringside or some shit.
It really is a big fight for both as well. Could be an absolute stormer of a fight. It makes GGG a superstar or gives Froch legit credentials to argue himself over Joe in classic retirement squabbles when they sit together on ringside or some shit.
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Dirrell is a hugely talented fighter as well, really fast hands and feet. He has a reputation for being a bit flaky though, seen as not being especially mentally strong. It is a big fight for JDG, he could really make his name in America. This fight could be a stinker of a spectacle as they both have awkward styles. Apparently Dirrell has been more aggressive recently so lets hope it goes off.
Unless you rate Ward and Calzaghe at A* level then Froch could be an A for me but if they're only given as A then Froch is a B level Super Middleweight with an A* level chin to me. Dirrell should have got the decision, Taylor would have, Ward wasn't even a competitive fight till round 9 when he backed off with the fight won while Kessler traded victories and Calzaghe cruised past him after a tricky opening.
I loved Froch as a fighter, really did (past tense because I hope he retires), he peaked against Bute in a fashion to rival some of the greatest modern British boxing performances but he wasn't in the same level as Joe or Andre.
The thing with Froch is, he's open to all sorts of shots and slowing down enough to give Golovkin openings. If GGG can take Froch's heavy, concussive blows throughout the early part of any possible matchup then he'll win for me, probably with a tko too.
On Degale - Dirrell. Anyone expecting anything but a close SD or MD either way? The Dirrell that turned up in Nottingham will be very tricky for Degale but he hasn't fought at that level since 2010 either. Fancy Degale's momentum to carry him home in a contest similar to Porter - Brook.
Froch is definitely an A level fighter. He was in many boxing scribes top ten P4P for a few years. Boxing isn't just about skill and power, it is also about 'heart', Freddie Roach says that boxing is 90% psychological and in that respect Froch is A* level. But yeah, for me Ward is A* level, totally elite along with Mayweather. Calzaghe, well, I think Ward would have handled him with ease too. He is also an A level fighter for me. His resume over a period of his peak years was not as impressive as Froch's. Only the Hopkins victory really stands out for me.
For me, Froch will never be at Calzaghe's level. Honestly think peak Calzaghe would find a way to negate Ward too. He was a master at changing approach early in fights to find angles and ways to win. A pre-Mayweather, Mayweather but with a good shot on him too and the awkward stance. There's a great interview with him re; the Kessler contest where he talks about changing the positioning of his leading foot to create wider angles to hit Kessler with - can't find it now - and it's brilliant.
Joe defied all popular opinions to school Eubank then beat peak Veit, Lacy, Bika and Kessler. Took on knockout artist Byron Mitchell in a superb 2 round showdown when Mitchell had just been screwed out of a decision with WBA and IBF title holder Sven Ottke and a fight that Calzaghe by rights, could have avoided without issue. That alone is a credible list of equal stature to the Super 6 showdown that Froch went through.
Then as we all know he stepped up to outclass the 2 most technically gifted fighters arguably in history at that weight in Roy Jones Jr (for pure skill) and Hopkins (for timing) in their backyards.
I don't mean that to sound dismissive of Froch, I'm trying to convey that Calzaghe to me was a level above again. Froch is a tremendous fighter and his resume is one of the best in British boxing for consistent quality when he got to world level.
He got Eubank when he was at the end of his career, the guy had already been dethroned and didn't win a fight after the Calzaghe bout. I loved the Lacy fight but the guy was grossly over hyped by Gary Shaw. Bika is a terrible fighter to bring to the argument really! Kessler was a solid A- guy, Froch was unlucky to lose in Kessler's back yard and handled him on home territory. Roy Jones is not technically gifted at all, in his prime years he was an exceptionally gifted physical fighter, speed and reactions namely, once he loses that, similar to Nas, that lack of fundamental technique lead to a pronounced decline in the ring. Hopkins, conversely, is a guy less gifted but a excellent technical boxer so his longevity has been far greater.
Such are the reasons that I don't rate Calzaghe as a greater fighter than Froch historically. For me a Froch-Clazaghe fight would have been 50-50.
Now that would have been a contest worth 80,000 seats at Wembley!
I think its a bit unfair to say the Bute part really, since that he's had 4 fights and 3 knockouts. It was a historical win and probably his best performance but he's capable of giving as good, his rematch against Kessler was a very convincing fight.
The problem for GGG is that whilst he has been hit before it's never been on the level of a Carl Froch type fighter, he took a few punches in his last few fights and seemed unfazed, I don't think many people would be able to take them kind of punches off someone like Froch so he'd either have to change his gameplan or prove people wrong. GGG is the best around in the division at the moment but there's certainly fighters he will struggle against and I think FRoch would be one of them.
Agree re Degale vs. Dirrell it will be a close fight, I hope Degale wins and am glad to see a fight where there is no clear winner before it starts. I reckon Degale will edge it but it will be tough. Out of interest what time does it start in America? I'm not from USA just curious...seems to be starting a bit early over here?
Bute was a feared super middleweight - Calzaghe didn't want to entertain fighting him and went for Hopkins and Jones instead, Ward avoided him at all costs and still has, Abraham and co wouldn't travel to Canada either - he had 30 wins, 24 ko's and undefeated from a southpaw stance, all the ingredients of a fighter to avoid. He had also just come off a superb performance in shutting out Glen Johnson by 12 clear rounds too in his 10th defence. Don't forget this was immediately after Froch beat him by MD.
Carl took him on, in his absolute prime and after edging the first 2 rounds utterly wiped the floor with him from the 3rd onwards. While Groves ko's were within expectation before the contests (I certainly picked Froch on both fights to win by that outcome) and given the events at Wembley etc it's easy to get carried away with them and the spectacle around it, the Mack win was a formality and Kessler was just a granite chinned slugfest that while a classic, wasn't either man's best performance.
For me it's unquestionable that Froch peaked against Bute. He annihilated his opponent in the midst of Bute's biggest momentum surge and nobody was backing Carl to do that before the fight. All the talk was of his most dangerous opponent and riding out a very close points decision.
Just watch this from 26 mins onwards. It's one of the finest displays by a British boxer at the world level since Naz and Lennox.
Completely agree with Degale comments. It's scheduled for prime time slot in UK thanks to Sky and MatchRoom...
Oh yeah BUte was definitely his best career performance, hard to disagree with that. I don't know if he's on a decline of sorts though, it's hard to tell, he has beaten everyone since and done it fairly convincingly in most of the fights....I think his biggest problem will be ring rust rather than fitness or quality, Froch is always in good shape whenever you see him.
I agree Bute was his hardest challenge though, I had Bute to win the fight where I normally would back Froch to win against anyone.
Ah cheer for clearing thatu p, thought it was on a bit early for an American audience! Looking forward to the fight though, Groves has a world title shot against Badou Jack so it could be set up for a rematch between them. There's talk of Groves vs Jack in Vegas in September on the Mayweather undercard, nothing set in stone though.
MatchRoom have got 6 American shows to be broadcast at UK peak time on NBC for the year in partnership with Haymon and PBC. I imagine they will all be East Coast based events as you'd expect. Think this is one of them and Ricky Burns was another. Shorter version of the German partnership deal with Sauerland. Essentially it's a way to narrow the playing field for Hearn's British fighters in championship fights, get them exposure to the 2 other money making audiences in boxing, get experience of travelling abroad to fighters on the up and basically merge MatchRoom into a European powerhouse promotion that sits comfortably with the ever-increasingly-looking future boxingnumber 1 promotion, PBC.
Anyone seen the rumours that PBC have had belts made in England ready to launch a UFC style boxing promotion? In all PBC shows to date, note they do not mention the organisations of title holders, ie a fighter is declared a world champion, not the WBO world champion etc. Looking to bypass the lot and create their own sole promotion a la UFC and modern mixed martial arts. Another insight is to why Floyd gave up his titles straight away, it wasn't as black and white as giving "others a chance" because he's never done that before. Interesting stuff - more info here; http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=190431
PBC for anyone that doesn't know is Al Haymon rapidly expanding boxing promotion with American network shows - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premier_Boxing_Champions - expect Mayweather to be an underwriter of that and continue to make money behind the scenes too.
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Ah makes sense, cheers for clearing it up.
I like the concept of the PBC. It seems to be done to attract new fans to the sport. What they're doing with unifying the sport if what a lot of people in boxing say needs to be done to improve it. I don't think they'll manage to do that but it will generate a lot of interest. I don't think fighters are to bothered about belts anymore anyway once they get to a certain level.
It's got along way to go before it is anywhere near HBO and Showtime production levels in America or even Sky Sports over here but it's trying something different which is to be admired as it is a risk compared to what so many people are used to seeing.
Dirrell beat Froch many people believe and I watched it at the time and do also, but it was in Nottingham. Froch struggled to get near him at times. Prefer Froch's style though, more entertaining. Dirrell is more boring to watch like Ward or Mayweather are. Will watch the fight tonight and hope Degale wins it.
Froch doesn't compare to Joe Calzaghe. Joe was a technical boxer which Carl is not, but one who also would get involved and produce a show, hence why he got big crowds. Calzaghe beat a prime world champion 28 year old Kessler in front of thousands at Millenium Stadium, Froch was beaten by Kessler 3 years later and only beat him in a rematch about 8 years after Mikkel and Joe fought. Calzaghe has held his belt for years and retired unbeaten, fought in the big arenas, big stadiums and MSG and Vegas, holding loads of belts across two divisions. The only reason Froch fought at Wembley Stadium to 80,000 was because of the fact that Groves arguably won the fight and knocked him down first round as well. That created the buzz and public demand. You say Froch gave us Brits what we asked for but the buzz about the first Groves fight was not the same, it was only the build up and press shows that got everyone excited, mostly due to Groves antics in winding Froch up, there certainly weren't lots of people calling out for Calzaghe to fight Froch, just Froch trying to get a big money fight step up. Calzaghe would have killed him and was looking elsewhere for the big fights. Looking at Frochs CV you can see he's spent most of his time at the smaller nottingham Arena, only two fights at Manchester and O2 prior to the highly demanded Groves rematch one at Wembley, and he still hasn't been to Vegas like he badly said he wanted.
Carl Froch is still great to watch though, Pascal, Bute, Taylor, Kessler 2 were exciting at points. Didn't like him much after how he was after the Groves first fight but its great watching his fights as the videos posted show.
As for Genady v Froch, would love to see that happen, has the potential for a real dust up, IE something Mayrunner et al can't deliver.
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Just watched this again, proper war from both fighters, punches after the bell many rounds. Top stuff and another top fight on non cable or PPV. Calzaghe would have schooled him though.
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GGG vs Froch would be an epic fight indeed. If Golovkin's first fight at 168 is dominant win over Carl Froch, he can forget fighting at MW after that 
If Cotto was avoiding him before, there's no way he fights him if he knocks our Carl out.
Calzaghe vs Eubank was one hell of a war that's worth trying to find on YouTube
Anyway, DeGale vs Dirrell... Can't pick a winner.
If Cotto was avoiding him before, there's no way he fights him if he knocks our Carl out.Calzaghe vs Eubank was one hell of a war that's worth trying to find on YouTube
Anyway, DeGale vs Dirrell... Can't pick a winner.