The Reality Draft: Main Thread (Finals)

harms said:
And an occasional
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Your description sounds about right from what I've seen so far. But he also relies on his dribbling very much - and rightly so.
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He is definitely not the guy in white, can't quite see the others. The description is about right and indeed a much better Pedro.
 
harms said:
And an occasional
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Your description sounds about right from what I've seen so far. But he also relies on his dribbling very much - and rightly so.
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Yeah, he was a very direct player. Not really as skillful as someone like lets say Giggs or Figo or Robben when it comes to dribbling but he had good control and combined his pace and penetration, he was really quite handful.
 
antohan said:
He is definitely not the guy in white, can't quite see the others. The description is about right and indeed a much better Pedro.
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I had my doubts about the guy in white too, damn you youtube and my desire to believe everything. This shot is included in his video somehow :lol:
 
Can't believe my luck. I really needed that star player to lift, great, but heavily underrated players like Tardelli/Rossi and Gentile alone isn't too impressive either.

I really needed Scirea/Sammer/Passarella and Scirea is just a dream.
 
feck off mate. No Tevezbola round after this fluke of mine. Take it back EAP, and the fecking headline is brilliant which is making me panic more.
 
An idea is that you reveal the T-Bola "losses" randomly. Just go in a random order so nobody knows who is next.
 
:lol: Just realised there is not a chance we'll be able to get who I'd like next, with Jayvin to come before us!
 
Annahnomoss said:
Can't believe my luck. I really needed that star player to lift, great, but heavily underrated players like Tardelli/Rossi and Gentile alone isn't too impressive either.

I really needed Scirea/Sammer/Passarella and Scirea is just a dream.
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Seriously?

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I just ran through all my options and who to pick if different players go.

After hours of mind-boggling permutations I've arrived at a startling conclusion. I really, really, REALLY need to lose StevieMe.
 
VivaJanuzaj said:
I just hope not to lose Breitner or Nesta. Any other guy and I'll be okay, with them gone it will be a huge blow to my luck.
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Whoever you lose will be a cracking player gone, you jammy fecker.

I'd disagree on Nesta being a huge blow, it's not like you can't put together a defence without him, everyone else has to. Breaking up Breitnigge is the obvious blow, although you clearly can afford to lose Kalle if you want him as a false 9.
 
@VivaJanuzaj You can really lose any player and survive with no issues at all. Even if you lost two players you'd still look like the one to beat in my eyes.
 
Annahnomoss said:
@VivaJanuzaj You can really lose any player and survive with no issues at all. Even if you lost two players you'd still look like the one to beat in my eyes.
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Indeed, the only reason I point to Breitnigge is it's the sort of thing that is hard to replicate/come by. By the time he gets to the final others will have picked up stars along the way, but will hardly have such proven understandings unless it's Jayvin or you (which is very friggin' likely at this stage).
 
ctp said:
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My team looks pretty decent so far, hope Tevezobola won't feck it up.
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Wow. That is absolutely brilliant and Brolin would fit in perfectly in the Iniesta role. Exactly his style albeit preferring the right side over the left in contrary to Iniesta.
 
BUMP

01. Annahnomoss - 1. Cocu 2. Gentile 3. Tardelli 4. Amoros 5. Rossi 6. Gascoigne 7. Scirea
02. Chesterlestreet - 1. Mascherano 2. Nedved 3. Neeskens 4. Beckham 5. Henry 6. Júnior 7. Lahm
03. Joga Bonito - 1. Keown 2. Baggio 3. Figo 4. O. Ardiles 5. Weah 6. Søren Lerby 7. Cafú
04. Raees - 1. Morena 2. Makelele 3. Socrates 4. Conti 5. Stoichkov 6. Ballack 7. Zanetti
05. antohan - 1. Ljungberg 2. Boniek 3. Gerrard 4. Effenberg 5. Raul 6. Luis Enrique 7. Hierro
06. BorisDeLeFora - 1. Zambrotta 2. Tigana 3. Robson 4. Cerezo 5. Del Piero 6. Klinsmann 7. Bergomi
07. ctp - 1. Brolin 2. Lato 3. Xavi 4. Guardiola 5. Shevchenko 6. Ribéry 7. Kohler
08. Skizzo - 1. Solskjaer 2. Cabrini 3. Schuster 4. K. Förster 5. Hugo Sanchez 6. Barnes 7. Brehme
09. MJJ (Theon) - 1. Di Livio 2. Souness 3. Bochini 4. Dalglish 5. Rivaldo 6. McGrath 7. Sammer
10. Jayvin - 1. Gallas 2. Vieira 3. Iniesta 4. Lizarazu 5. Romario 6. Overmars 7. Desailly
11. Stobzilla - 1. Camoranesi 2. Hansen 3. Davids 4. Balakov 5. Batistuta 6. Irwin 7. Passarella
12. Aldo - 1. Senna 2. Hagi 3. Pirlo 4. Schweinsteiger 5. RvN 6. Tresor 7. Rio 8. Camacho
13. The Red Viper - 1. Prosinečki 2. Robben 3. Scholes 4. Vidic 5. Simonsen 6. Eto'o 7. Stam 8. Rui Costa
14. VivaJanuzaj - 1. Francescoli 2. Seedorf 3. Breitner 4. Vierchowod 5. Rummenigge 6. Savicevic 7. Nesta 8. Verón
15. harms - 1. Puyol 2. Blokhin 3. Falcao 4. Roberto Carlos 5. Bergkamp 6.Bohnof 7. Ruggeri 8. Willy Ortiz
16. crappycraperson - 1. Nadal 2. M. Kempes 3. Roy Keane 4. Jan Ceulemans 5. Shearer 6. Prohaska 7. Cannavaro 8. Briegel

@Stobzilla
 
Annahnomoss said:
Wow. That is absolutely brilliant and Brolin would fit in perfectly in the Iniesta role. Exactly his style albeit preferring the right side over the left in contrary to Iniesta.
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Nah, Guardiola had defensively sound midfielders ahead of him, Xavi behind him, Brolin replicates neither.
 
The roles of the CM's when they didn't play three at the back, which CTP won't I am assuming weren't that defensive. Don't think Bakero was a defensively sound midfielder but rather an attacking minded one with a great work rate. Amor was one of course, but in the CL final against Sampdoria Guardiola was played in a CM 3 with Laudrup and Bakero and they kept a clean sheet.

He's going for a gung hoo formation though, no question about it - but I think its refreshing and like it. I can see some teams have problems with such a formation. Considering that Ribery is one of the best wingers defensively and Lato was equally known for playing for the team and working hard for it I can see it work.

I would probably pull down Lato and Ribery a bit though to show that they'd work both ways equally hard.
 
antohan said:
Nah, Guardiola had defensively sound midfielders ahead of him, Xavi behind him, Brolin replicates neither.
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I think it's strong enough defensively as it is. I don't have a hard man in midfield, granted, but I don't think that will be a problem in most cases.
Guardiola's reading of the game is very good, he'll make interceptions and snuff out many attacks with his positioning. Xavi has incredible work rate and is very intelligent in his pressing. Not as sure about Brolin's defensive contribution, I'll have to research that a bit.
My flanks will be fine too, with Ribery and Lato helping out my yet to be picked fullbacks.
 
Theon said:
Thanks Annah - Tevezbola will probably determine where Sammer ends up..

If he's not shipped off to Argentina himself that is :nervous::nervous:
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Looks like we both had the same theme/idea in mind. Two mean, aggressive and hard working teams. :lol: Gentile, Scirea, Tardelli, Gazza, Amoros, Rossi. Bochini, Souness, Dalglish, Sammer, McGrath....Looks like we're creating a top list of hard working and aggressive footballers.
 
Annahnomoss said:
The roles of the CM's when they didn't play three at the back, which CTP won't I am assuming weren't that defensive. Don't think Bakero was a defensively sound midfielder but rather an attacking minded one with a great work rate. Amor was one of course, but in the CL final against Sampdoria Guardiola was played in a CM 3 with Laudrup and Bakero and they kept a clean sheet.
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It was a strange side, on paper you can hardly imagine it working well, but it did and sometimes defying belief. A key point though is they had options. It was usually Amor indeed, when facing a real scrap Nadal often found himself in midfield. CTP doesn't have either option subject to opposition, he HAS to play Brolin (and Xavi).

Bakero would be a significant improvement on Brolin in terms of balancing that midfield. Great little player, absolutely loved him to bits.

Considering that Ribery is one of the best wingers defensively and Lato was equally known for playing for the team and working hard for it I can see it work.
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That's very true, and ultimately what made that Dream Team effective despite not having a single defensively brilliant player. It occasionally failed spectacularly though and I can't see what Brolin brings to the table to make up for it (as opposed to Laudrup in the DT midfield three).
 
antohan said:
It was a strange side, on paper you can hardly imagine it working well, but it did and sometimes defying belief. A key point though is they had options. It was usually Amor indeed, when facing a real scrap Nadal often found himself in midfield. CTP doesn't have either option subject to opposition, he HAS to play Brolin (and Xavi).

Bakero would be a significant improvement on Brolin in terms of balancing that midfield. Great little player, absolutely loved him to bits.



That's very true, and ultimately what made that Dream Team effective despite not having a single defensively brilliant player. It occasionally failed spectacularly though and I can't see what Brolin brings to the table to make up for it (as opposed to Laudrup in the DT midfield three).
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Brolin is of course the Legacy pick, so he's supposed to be the worst player in the team. But in this role he'll be used perfectly. Brolin had outstanding dribbling which made him capable of playing as a right midfielder or an attacking midfielder to a great effect. But he also worked hard and had the discipline to play as a plain central midfielder.

Here he is played to full effect as he'll do the defensive work of a central midfielder which he'd do well. Together with the fact that he'd be great at pushing forward or out wide right. Even though Brolin alone wouldn't be terrifying on the right, him supporting Lato and the full-back is a very good fit.

He's also got the short passing/great dribbler style which suits Xavi as he then has somebody to play off.

Again though, it is very gung hoo and will work great against some opponents and most likely very poorly against others. He will have a difficult time finishing off his defense as it has to be rather perfect to not be completely imbalanced in a negative way.

He has to win the ball back high enough up the pitch so that after Guardiola finds a great cross field option, Brolin and Xavi aren't forced to play as box to box midfielders. That wouldn't suit them at all.
 
Brolin didn't have the willingness nor the mental disposition to get tied up in a defensive job, not consistently.
 
antohan said:
Brolin didn't have the willingness nor the mental disposition to get tied up in a defensive job, not consistently.
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That is true indeed. The only time he did it consistently was in 94 when he was shifted out wide right(and was furious about it) and had the performances of his life coming fourth in the ballon d'or tied with Hagi.

Which is why I think he's well off being shifted off right and hopefully told he has to work hard. ;) That is why I don't like him a lot as a second striker or attacking midfielder, he never had the same work rate there.
 
Annahnomoss said:
That is true indeed. The only time he did it consistently was in 94 when he was shifted out wide right(and was furious about it) and had the performances of his life coming fourth in the ballon d'or tied with Hagi.

Which is why I think he's well off being shifted off right and hopefully told he has to work hard. ;) That is why I don't like him a lot as a second striker or attacking midfielder, he never had the same work rate there.
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So your point is he can only be arsed when people mess with his ego? Linda ficha.
 
antohan said:
So your point is he can only be arsed when people mess with his ego? Linda ficha.
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Well until then he had been inconsistent with his work rate. Far from bad, but not consistently taking the defensive job he should have.

Brolin is generally considered greater than Bjarred/Ljungberg/Hellstrom when the "greatest Swedes" are rated. Which is the reason I think he's a great legacy pick as he completely ruined his legacy after his injuries which is the part of his career which people remember due to the comedic value in how shit he was. Grenoli+Hamren+Zlatan/Larsson are the top 6 then Brolin usually comes in next.
 
Annahnomoss said:
Well until then he had been inconsistent with his work rate. Far from bad, but not consistently taking the defensive job he should have.

Brolin is generally considered greater than Bjarred/Ljungberg/Hellstrom when the "greatest Swedes" are rated. Which is the reason I think he's a great legacy pick as he completely ruined his legacy after his injuries which is the part of his career which people remember due to the comedic value in how shit he was. Grenoli+Hamren+Zlatan/Larsson are the top 6 then Brolin usually comes in next.
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The only surprising thing in all that is he is considered better than Hellstrom. Poor goalies can't get a break, can they? In fact, I'll pick up that and claim Ljungberg is considered better than Hellstrom, great claim to greatness that is.

There's also some bizarre logic involved in him being a great pick because people remember him for comedy value.
 
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