Yeah that's the way I see it too. Jose is going nowhere until top four is mathematically impossible and even then he'll probably see the season out.
The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked
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Wonder if Jose's latest remarks before the game have soured the dressing room again. I didn't read much of it but the players seemed more lifeless than usual. No real fight for the last 15 mins.
If we are to sign any players I just hope anyone new can work with them. If we're 8th or 10-13 points from top 4 by then, who'd want to come and would the board sanction 100m.
I'll always support United but the brand and worldwide fan base must be really getting tested now. It's utter dog shit on display. How dour does it have to be before we let Jose go? What influence are Carrick and McKenna having really? I'll give them the benefit of doubt under the circumstances.
Rui Faria leaving in the summer could've had an impact on Jose too. I have no faith in Jose "getting his mojo back" or keeping it going for more than a few weeks. It's always one step forward two back. I'm sure he's pissed off the players at the club again.
If we are to sign any players I just hope anyone new can work with them. If we're 8th or 10-13 points from top 4 by then, who'd want to come and would the board sanction 100m.
I'll always support United but the brand and worldwide fan base must be really getting tested now. It's utter dog shit on display. How dour does it have to be before we let Jose go? What influence are Carrick and McKenna having really? I'll give them the benefit of doubt under the circumstances.
Rui Faria leaving in the summer could've had an impact on Jose too. I have no faith in Jose "getting his mojo back" or keeping it going for more than a few weeks. It's always one step forward two back. I'm sure he's pissed off the players at the club again.
Especially if we will be still in CL and FA cup
Absolutely, and it's not like we can say he wasn't given time.
I see absolutely no improvement or progression in the team since Jose took over over two years ago.
More people have changed their vote to ‘yes’. I’m so proud tonight, I really am. It’s good that some see that blind stubbornness is silly and can now see what’s in front of them.
Klopp also lost his right hand man of x amount of years and some how his Lfc team are better.
We make so many excuses for Mourinho. Unfortunately for him, Poch is killing any argument he has. Clearly just shows that Mourinho should be sacked. The board a f-ing disgrace too.
We make so many excuses for Mourinho. Unfortunately for him, Poch is killing any argument he has. Clearly just shows that Mourinho should be sacked. The board a f-ing disgrace too.
Hell, Mourinho is showing that Mourinho should be sacked. He got them to second place. Now, because of the improvements by Chelsea and Liverpool, it doesn't mean he should be second this year as well but at least comfortably in the top 4. He's made the mistake of stating his goal was top 4 before the new year, he should be held accountable come end of December and sacked if he fails to deliver so a fresh face can come in and at least be a different voice in the locker room to rescure something in the second half of the season.
Agree. For the fact he even said we are aiming for fourth is a disgrace. Should go asap.
Probably just the short-term reactionists. They’ll change back after the next scraped win as usual.
I think if he had stepped down in May you could say his tenure had been one of progress for the club. This season, his third, as has been at most clubs for Mourinho is a disaster. There is no coherent style of play or sense of how he is trying to rebuild the team of squad. The signing of Matic and Sanchez goes against Utd's general policy of bringing in players in their mid 20's. RVP was a successful exception under Ferguson because he essentially was the difference in the 2012-13 season.
I think he needs to go. I just don't see progress under him anymore. He has won trophies so in that sense his reign has merit but it has stalled in a serious way now.
I think he needs to go. I just don't see progress under him anymore. He has won trophies so in that sense his reign has merit but it has stalled in a serious way now.
So true. Are pathetic fans are just as much to blame as Mourinho and the board.
They feel that supporting a slipping in standards is what we must do as supporters. They have this romantic notion of how Saf was given time and he turmed it around. What people forget to mention is the two different states the club were in when they both took over!
Why delay the inevitable? We all know he deserves to be sacked. The reason you might ask is? the Glazers. Rotten from the top down. Until that changes, nothing changes. Woodward is indeed a specialist in failure. That plane banner was 100% correct. We are fkd.
Mourinho is just phoning it in at the moment. The grit and the passion are gone. Maybe he'll find it a new club.
I would strongly disagree - my point is we should find a new manager and obviously (at least for me) Howe would not be first choice. However, in this hypothetical scenario if the only option was Howe i still think he would be an improvement on Mourinho. Howe will never win as much as Mou has done but this team needs new energy, a manager who believes in entertaining and attacking football and, most importanly, Mourinho's drama out of the club.
I would seriously hope not this time but you’re probably right.
The peak was at about 75% IIRC after being down to newcastle at HT
Jose has not made a mistake stating his goal, of top four before the new year, he know's the psyche of the players and has purposely, dropped the ball, so the players will down tools and get him the sack.
I just dont care anymore. New manager, new players, new team every fecking year the same charade. Its fecking depressing.
He's unhinged. It's almost like if he doesn't acknowledge it no one will say anything - what's even worse is, I'm sure that the first time round his condition for supporting the club again was that they hired Jose!ffs how many times has he pretended to boycott United?
The funniest thing is, he's trying to pull that exact same shit this time around and make himself out to be a martyr
is it fair to say Jose is still Manchester United manager for economic reasons rather than footballing ones....
the board are waiting to our failure is confirmed so that clause kicks in where we can sack on the cheap?
do they think there's any prospect he can turn this around?
the board are waiting to our failure is confirmed so that clause kicks in where we can sack on the cheap?
do they think there's any prospect he can turn this around?
Still not gone...
After that performance against Palace, I feel this Xmas period could be Chelsea 2.0
Extremely high chance now Jose is out by Jan 1st
We can't even create sustained attack against relegation fodder at home. Palace carved us open on every counter. At this rate Jose may need to be sacked just to snap the team out of this funk like Chelsea.
Folks saying we will wait for top 4 to be gone. We could be 12-13-14 points outside top 4 by 8th DEC
Extremely high chance now Jose is out by Jan 1st
We can't even create sustained attack against relegation fodder at home. Palace carved us open on every counter. At this rate Jose may need to be sacked just to snap the team out of this funk like Chelsea.
Folks saying we will wait for top 4 to be gone. We could be 12-13-14 points outside top 4 by 8th DEC
I'm about to reach this feeling. Think I'll reach it ultimately if the next appointment ends the same 2-3 years in, I'll start to give up any kind of hope for the club.
I just hope he’s sacked before we lose our players.
DDG, Pogba, Martial all could quite easily walk if he stays.
That would be much harder to come back from than keeping Jose.
DDG, Pogba, Martial all could quite easily walk if he stays.
That would be much harder to come back from than keeping Jose.
If we don’t finish in the top 4 there’s a chance they’ll leave regardless. We need to be proactive and stop an absolute disaster from happening. We won’t though because we’re absolutely clueless.
His team selections have been fecking terrible.. It just feels like he avoids choosing our best possible team on purpose just for the fun of it, that's how bad he is. Liverpool got rid of Rodgers around this time of year to get Klopp in and that worked out, it gave him plenty of time to suss out the team and prepare for the summer too. Mourinho needs to go ASAP.
Not much to disagree with here.
This is the biggest issue.
If the board are shying away from sacking Mourinho for financial reasons, how much would it cost to replace those three?
Ok it's Monday morning and Jose has just been sacked. You're on the board at the club, who do you hire? I know there is several threads about our next manager but who is honestly good enough?
Poch currently has a better XI than United but has done worse in than Jose overall during his time here.
Sari gone, Pep gone, Klopp gone..
Poch currently has a better XI than United but has done worse in than Jose overall during his time here.
Sari gone, Pep gone, Klopp gone..
We’re not finishing 4th. Every Utd fan needs to get used to that and quick.
But it doesn’t mean we’ll lose players like Pogba. Being in the CL isn’t the be all and end all for every player. What will make players request transfers is if Jose is still here end of the season.
He's unhinged. It's almost like if he doesn't acknowledge it no one will say anything - what's even worse is, I'm sure that the first time round his condition for supporting the club again was that they hired Jose!
The funniest thing is, he's trying to pull that exact same shit this time around and make himself out to be a martyr
Explain this boycott you are talking about with regards to Van Gaal?
If I recall correctly I said if Van Gaal gets another season I’m not watching United - which was the view of many at the time as things had gotten so bad.
Nothing wrong with wanting Jose in the first place (he was not my first choice and neither was LVG or Moyes but I supported them all the same until I couldn’t see there was no going back) but what’s wrong is to continue holding an opinion like a stubborn mule when you’re blatantly wrong and flying in the face of all evidence out of some misguided attempt to be the most loyal fans (to the manager) in the country.
The truth is this is mostly Woodward’s doing as by hanging on to managers for too long and avoiding pay offs he is creating this toxic atmosphere and our naive fan base are playing into his hands.
Noise from the stands would force his hand and remind him that the fans come first and foremost - not the manager and not corporate politics.
My overreaction right now is to install Carrick as care-taker for the rest of the year, don't spend a cent in JAN, avoid europa league, finish mid table, reset throughout the off-season 2019.
We can basically clear out players in the off-season (we need to find a manager that isn't afraid of wholesale changes ie Mata,young,Smalling,Jones,Matic,darmian,rojo will be sold for peanuts if needs be), we admit the Jose project failed and 2019-2020 is a blank canvas for a new manager. No player is unobtainable, and no player should be safe. It's time to admit a scorched earth policy must be implemented.
This squad is still a cobbled mess of SAF-Moyes-LVG-Jose. Burn it all down and send Woodward into a broom closet to keep making his commercial deals but keep away from the transfer policy.
He did that with Moyes and LVG. So, it would make sense that he'll do the same with Jose.
I'm Jose In, but I must agree with you wrote.
Including Lukaku in your team is asking to score 0 goals.
Lingard (though he was decent today), is another player who has a very poor scoring record.
Goals (for) are a problem and it doesn't make sense to pick players who are not prolific in front of goal.
IMO, when Lukaku does not play, we play better and we tend to score goals.
And then there is Matic....
Sir Alex Ferguson won three titles and a cup winners cup for Aberdeen. His Aberdeen are still the last team outside of the old firm to have won the league title.
The best example would be Barcelona, who have been possibly the most successful club in Europe, in the last 25 years. They hire managers who fit into their footballing philosophy first and foremost and they've been hugely successful at it. They've even promoted from within with tremendous success with Guardiola and Tito. Luis Enrique is another who hadn't achieved much when Barca came calling, and they currently have Valverde who was managing Athletic Bilbao not long ago.
It's all about the vision/philosophy of the man in question which should be important when handing over the reigns. We can learn from Barca in that regard.
Saw a few empty seats on the tv. We need a change. Carrick and McKenna til the end of the season and then pochettino. It’s really depressing but we’ll be back.
There's no good reason not to make the change now. It's getting to the stage where it's hard for any one coming in to do worse, we are 7th averaging 1.6 points per game! It's tragic. Even someone who's not particularly good tactically but just good with people and let them pretty much do their own thing on the pitch would be better than this until we can get someone else in the summer. Hopefully we are on at Poch's agent, offering all sorts of cash, pointing out their stadium is so costly and over budget he'll continue to get feck all there for many, many years.
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