I feel sad for those who seem to believe it's changed every single time we manage to fluke a win.
No, wait, I just pity them.
No, wait, I just pity them.
The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked
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True. But what Amol said is also true. There are some horror shows around the place now and they have polluted this thread with some grade A drivel. Thing is, they try to come across as intellects and spew paragraphs of shite, but waffle is waffle no matter how well constructed it is.
That's slightly selective. Our improvement didn't see us win more than two consecutive league games in the second half of the season, and we lost five games from January onwards. The only reason we were particularly close to getting a CL place was because City were just as bad, relatively speaking. We got 30 points in the first half of the season and 36 in the second half - there was a slight improvement, yes, but not a lot - and the total points required for reaching the CL that year was notoriously low when compared with most seasons.
Drunk Rooney ? That was Rooney's last good season with us. He was great. We also had Di Maria and Mata.
The 2014/2015 away from that 6 games spell was as shite as the next and previous seasons. Remember the period we played 3-5-2 in ?
United had only been giving us false down after false down these 6 years. Some great games to convince us we're back to be followed with absolute dross, rinse, repeat.
Consistency is something United never knew post Fergie.
Martial played 31 league games that season, also had Memphis & Mata.
On paper it might be but in form certainly not!
Lucky you. Us Irish fans have to watch the same type of football during international football weekend as well
Bingo. Not worth the energy spent.
Van Gaal tried to play football and wasn’t a coward. That’s will always work in his favour. He wasn’t a giant cockwomble either (not as much as Mourinho, at least).
A club that spends 100-150 million nearly every summer will help the new manager bring in whoever he wants to. Like Mourinho was able to get players he really wanted like Sanchez, Pogba, Lukaku, Ibra, Mkhitarian, Matic and two CBs.
I mean Klopp signing VVD, Robertson, Mane and Firmino hardly took some incredible scouting network. Same with Laporte, Stones, Jesus, Bernardo Silva and Sane. These are players we all knew about. The difference is that Klopp and Guardiola signed better players /players that fit the system more, improved them like Mourinho couldn't and formed a proper team made in their vision.
So while I agree that Woodward made a mistake in hiring the managers he did, if he get the next appointment right it'll go a long way to fixing some hugely important problems given the notion that we don't back managers is grossly overstated.
We really need to step on the gas and sack him. Absolutely no point in this as top 4 looks like its going and the football doesnt look like its improving. Every win or two will now always feel like a piece of shit false dawn.
He should be sacked now. No point waiting. Nothing will change in the weeks to come.
My God our football is never been so shit.
We were mind numbingly dull under LVG, people are really desperate for wishing for those days to return.
It's something I just can't control.
Can the Jose Out crowd lend us their wisdom on who should be manager if Jose is sacked right now because all I can think of is Conte who is a carbon copy personality and play worse football.
When you accept that this season will go terribly and Mourinho will lose his job in the summer (because we couldn’t possibly sack a manager mid-season) then it’s easier to watch our games. Albeit I didn’t actually tune in today.
What makes the arse twitchy is that De Gea, Martial and Pogba could well leave in the near future. That’s harder to accept.
Van Gaal had a proactive football philosophy at least. He wanted to dominate with the ball. This guy we have wants to dominate without the ball.
I assume this means to back him fully with his targets?
Did you watch us during 15-16? The entire problem we were having was that LVG preferred possession-based football with no attacking impetus over actually trying to attack and score.
LvG was fecking shite too so he’s a terrible barometer for anything.
As poor as we have been under Jose , i'd never ever ever want to go back to LVG's tenure.
Time he went, I’m sure there’s other managers could get more out of the players, including Roy Hodgson, not that I’m suggesting that that he should replace him.
That's not what anyone is saying.
Think that's hindsight, I don't think many expected VVD, Robertson or Firminho to be that successful I do recall many on here taking the piss as we got 'Memphis' over Firminho.
Again same with Stones(especially after that first season)/Jesus the other 3 were pretty obvious although Silva was pretty meh in his first season.
Glad sense has prevailed and some have changed their vote to ‘yes’. In saying that, I find it astonishing that anyone had changed their vote from ‘yes’ to ‘no’ recently. Bizarre stuff. As I always said, I would happily change mine if there was a dramatic improvement. There was never, ever anything close to that.
That's what great management is all about us.
Did you watch us during 15-16? The entire problem we were having was that LVG preferred possession-based football with no attacking impetus over actually trying to attack and score.
I did. Creating chances was an issue but his idea of how football should be played was the right one. We played a high line, dominated the ball and kept possession generally well. That’s with a significantly weaker first team than we do now. Van Gaal had his issues but his team wasn’t being outplayed by Brighton and West Ham.
This is why I don't go round tagging all those who were so giddy about him and posting ridiculous threads claiming Mourinho wasn't boring and about how wrong we all are about him. It got to a point where those of us who kept our heads, on either side, just didn't bother anymore.
He's failed and that's bad for all of us and the club we love. It's not about any of us being right or wrong, people need to check their egos.
Agree. Losing world class talent because the sackless idiots running this club don't have the guts to axe Jose.
Another example of being coached/setting a system up properly to get the best out of players.
Many (still) good managers have that.
Some are still defending him.
Just like Mourinho, LVG too was let down by Woodward in the market. Had Van Gaal got his first choice targets, we would be up there competing with City and kept Liverpool remain in our shadows. Van Gaal was sacked in similar circumstances like this summer.
Happens when you sell your 5 best players and half your squad is injured (no, I didn't look up the numbers, but it has to be close)
Besides that where was Chelsea before Mourinho got fired?
If only our defenders were so quick to react...Some are still defending him.
The thing that gets me is when people on here think I'm shocked we're not winning games or that Mourinho isn't turning it around.
I said before a ball was kicked we'd have a terrible season. I thought that because of the squad/ board involvement/lack of signings.
We got by on a whim last season, was never going to happen again.
I said before a ball was kicked we'd have a terrible season. I thought that because of the squad/ board involvement/lack of signings.
We got by on a whim last season, was never going to happen again.
One thing I am starting to notice is that our games get selected for TV less and less frequently. They were showing City today and, perhaps a small mercy, I wasn’t able to watch this brave 0-0 against Roy’s financially doped galaticos.
To be honest, the season felt over in September and we are all just going through the motions hoping the next guy in the dug out is a better fit than the last three.
To be honest, the season felt over in September and we are all just going through the motions hoping the next guy in the dug out is a better fit than the last three.
Being right on the internet is cool. Some just won’t admit they were wrong and he’s doing a terrible job.
Do what Chelsea did.
Sacked him.
Got in a caretaker to steady the ship and then spent 6 months getting a replacement. That replacement then won them the league
There is absolutely no logic in keeping a manager just for the fear of having no one in..especially when said manager has a history of toxicity at past clubs when things aren't going well.
Jose is one of the things we need to fix at this club. But he's definitely not the only one.
If he didn't go a month or 2 back, there's no reason to think he'll go anytime soon.
The fear, is do the decision makers recognise this aint good enough, and stick with him beyond the summer.
There is thing or two i liked about LvG but lets not go full gold fish mode. Football was dull but it was his idea of playing, final third part is what showed that he isnt complete, never was if you are old enough you are good enough type and wasnt a coward in big games. Trying to play with a ball isnt a bad thing just in our case, it was boring sideways thing. He is crazy but i dont remember him showing any disrespect towards a club during his time here.
Nope, instead it was just being beaten by them.
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