The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked

Is Mourinho’s time as United manager up?

  • Yes

    Votes: 2,296 77.1%

  • No

    Votes: 293 9.8%

  • Not yet - needs more time to see if he can turn it around

    Votes: 388 13.0%
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Kush said:
I'm his big supporter and I feel we should move on too but not at the moment, our club was in chaos and he managed to bring some stability post Newcastle game. It could have gotten really ugly but it didn't, players have also shown a lot of fight for him.

I want our next manager to start without any baggage, give him a full summer to bring his personnel rather than make do with what we have mid-season in one of the most competitive Top 4 race we've seen for a while. This is Mourinho's mess let him clean it up, he has until May to do it and then he should be binned.
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Personally I feel the new manager could do with more than just a single summer, which is why I'd like to see us give the reigns to a caretaker manager who can set things up well for the next manager.

I don't see us getting top 4 this year under Mourinho. We could given the squad is very good and Mourinho tends to usually get the bare minimum results. But I think teams will take advantage of our poor start.
 
VP89 said:
I don't give two fecks about our goal difference. I care about points and whether it's salvageable in the stage of the season we're in.

We have easier fixtures in Europe with some good games at OT coming up particularly during Christmas.. Palace, Huddersfield, Cardiff, Southampton, etc.

Spurs will need to face the likes of Arsenal, Chelsea sandwiched between Inter Milan. Arsenal will come to Old Trafford (and Spurs obviously). There is a lot that can happen between now and the end of the year.

I think our only difficult matches on paper are Arsenal (at OT) and Liverpool until the end of the year. We can crack on some form now, lets not forget we had a good run of results up to today. I'm not going to start complaining that we lost to a team that's arguably the best in Europe right now when we were missing about £160m of our talent before a ball was kicked.
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Mate I'd like to think you are smart enough to know that I don't care about the GD per se either. It's the fact that it's a great reflection of our performances. That's my point. Our performances are reflected in our GD and our position in the table. I don't see why and how those are going to change.

This game has no bearing on how I feel about Mourinho. My comparison for Mourinho has never been with city or guardiola. It's with the rest of the top 6.
 
Fooza said:
I think the top 4 right now will most likely be the top 4 by the end of the season.

Is there really a point of keeping him only for inevitable to happen...
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We will break into the top 4. I expect us to finish ahead of Tottenham and probably ahead one of Chelsea and Liverpool too.
 
mav_9me said:
Mate I'd like to think you are smart enough to know that I don't care about the GD per se either. It's the fact that it's a great reflection of our performances. That's my point. Our performances are reflected in our GD and our position in the table. I don't see why and how those are going to change.

This game has no bearing on how I feel about Mourinho. My comparison for Mourinho has never been with city or Guardiola. It's with the rest of the top 6.
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Don't say that. Everyone will start arguing how goal difference can hypothetically matter because it did in one or two seasons out of 30 odd.

I get goal difference isn't looking good. I'm saying it will likely improve to a better reflection because of the fixtures we can build on ahead. My point was I cared for picking up the points more and our goal difference would likely improve because we have Cardiff, Fulham, Huddersfield Palace all coming up. Only Arsenal and Liverpool are the big sides we play before 2019.
 
My opinion hasnt changed, he is yesterday's man, and anyone having a contrary opinion about this need a rethink.
Not a single player has improved in his time here, infact DeGea seems to be regressing. It goes beyond just quality of players, it has alot to do with coaching I will say.
 
Nothing will happen til the end of the season. It's just hugely demoralising for the fans, to imagine this is what we'll get for the next 6 months. Occasional fluked wins, general mediocrity and the occasional pasting.

We're once again in footballing purgatory.
 
I bet it's eating him inside that managers like Guardiola can make their teams play attacking high possession, high scoring football and he's serving this crap.

But he'll never admit it and will never try to change his style because he's a small, stubborn and proud man, who will blame everyone and everything but himself.

He's not the right manager for this club but he's far from the only problem.
 
Sarni said:
We will break into the top 4. I expect us to finish ahead of Tottenham and probably ahead one of Chelsea and Liverpool too.
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You must be expecting some major improvements. 7 points off top four currently.
 
We appointed the wrong manager, he is buying the wrong type of players and playing the wrong type of football.

Giving him money won’t help, expecting him to successfully reinvent himself is unrealistic and won’t help.Let him to stay until end of the season and then move on.
 
We have a kind next three games now, so he needs to get back building the credit up earnt from the last few comebacks.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Personally I feel the new manager could do with more than just a single summer, which is why I'd like to see us give the reigns to a caretaker manager who can set things up well for the next manager.

I don't see us getting top 4 this year under Mourinho. We could given the squad is very good and Mourinho tends to usually get the bare minimum results. But I think teams will take advantage of our poor start.
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No matter how much you dislike Mourinho, you cannot definitively say a CL place finish is a lost cause in November. Handing the reins to a caretaker manager be it McKenna or Carrick is a massive massive risk, billion of dollars are riding on this club. We have far too much to lose than to gain by such an appointment.

I would be all for binning him now if we have a top replacement lined up at present. But we don't, all good managers are settled and stabled in their clubs at the moment. It's a very tricky situation for the club right now and I hope they don't make a decision in a haste.
 
Let's play a game. It's called papering over the cracks i.e. creatively finding new excuses to defend Mourinho.

- We're still in November, plenty of things could happen - we will progress.
- Everyone gets outplayed by City.
- Mourinho wasn't supported during the transfer windows.
- Blame Woodward.
- Blame the players who are not performing.
- Can't you see the progress? We finished 5th in 2017, 2nd in 2018. We are still only amount of points from the top 4.
- Ferguson sides used to play negative football
- You lot not supporting our manager are just bad players.

Any more excuses?
 
We're 7 points off top 4 with Spurs about to play Arsenal & Chelsea sandwiched between Inter Milan.

Think our top 4 chances can look more likely in 1 month's time.
 
As someone who isn't a United fan, but has a soft spot for them as I lived in Manchester and still lived in the area, I am staggered that people are still defending Mourinho.

How bad do you have to get before you won't defend him? How much more money are you going to allow him pour down the drain before you criticise him? How many more ridiculous press conferences, public statements and general excuses are you going to tolerate?
 
It's crazy that so many of us knew this season would be a write off if we persisted with José before last season even ended, and yet our board persisted with him and here we are. So disappointing.
 
the chameleon said:
Let's play a game. It's called papering over the cracks i.e. creatively finding new excuses to defend Mourinho.

- We're still in November, plenty of things could happen - we will progress.
- Everyone gets outplayed by City.
- Mourinho wasn't supported during the transfer windows.
- Blame Woodward.
- Blame the players who are not performing.
- Can't you see the progress? We finished 5th in 2017, 2nd in 2018. We are still only amount of points from the top 4.
- Ferguson sides used to play negative football
- You lot not supporting our manager are just bad players.

Any more excuses?
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Thing is - I don't think fans wanting Jose to stay are trying to defend him from the terrible start to the season. I don't think Spurs, Brighton, Wolves or West Ham were excusable.
 
Something needs to change as we are further behind than ever and I'm not talking about City.
 
Kag said:
Don’t you know Fred has only been here five minutes? We can’t play a FIFTY million pound commodity in a big derby like that. Wise up.
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Yeah best to keep him wrapped in cotton wool.

If he plays and has a mare then his value will decrease.

#greatbusiness #notgreatfootball
 
Rajma said:
Is this why we sit 8th behind Watford and Bournmouth with -1 GD because Jose was only given £400m to spend rather than £600m all while playing like total cowards? Get a grip.
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No, both Jose and 70% of the fans overrated almost all our players. Just seeing the squad today, only De Gea, Mata and Sanchez have proven to be top players. How can we expect to get top 4 with it? Players like Lingard, Young and Fellaini would be lucky to start for any other Top 10 team.
 
VP89 said:
Why don't you explain it to me?

I don't think goal difference matters right now. It's November. I think we have a lot of favourable fixtures to pick up points and goals, and we can finish in the top 4.

I don't think the season is over, and instead of looking the broader point of my post you all want to bone goal difference to death for some bizzare reason.
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We have the same amount of points as Bournemouth and Watford. There's a difference of 4 and 6 in goal difference despite them being equal in points. Meaning that it's a bad goal difference for this amount of points. We're in a big hole in that department.

Spurs and Arsenal are currently +11 and +12 on goal difference. We currently have to make up that difference by the end of the season where it will matter. That is what we are saying. Goal difference does matter as proven by those two instances where we lost out on the PL and CL. To say it doesn't matter is just objectively wrong.
 
Kush said:
No matter how much you dislike Mourinho, you cannot definitively say a CL place finish is a lost cause in November. Handing the reins to a caretaker manager be it McKenna or Carrick is a massive massive risk, billion of dollars are riding on this club. We have far too much to lose than to gain by such an appointment.

I would be all for binning him now if we have a top replacement lined up at present. But we don't, all good managers are settled and stabled in their clubs at the moment. It's a very tricky situation for the club right now and I hope they don't make a decision in a haste.
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haste? are you bloody serious?
 
Minimalist said:
You must be expecting some major improvements. 7 points off top four currently.
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I think we have improved significantly over the last 3-4 weeks. We had a slow start with a few hiccups but are all right at the minute. I don’t dramatize because of a loss at Etihad, all our top 4 rivals will lose there too.
 
Asger said:
No, both Jose and 70% of the fans overrated almost all our players. Just seeing the squad today, only De Gea, Mata and Sanchez have proven to be top players. How can we expect to get top 4 with it? Players like Lingard, Young and Fellaini would be lucky to start for any other Top 10 team.
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Why do you do this to yourself? You’re so far off the mark.
 
Unless you've desperately been waiting for our next loss, then this result shouldn't mean much in the grand scheme of things. Sure, the handful of die hards who want him gone will post 100s of times each this week but ultimately it means nothing.

Personally I would have preferred Fred over Fellainis, but Fellainis was arguably our best player. Bar that the side was what most expected once Pogba was ruled out. Not much Mourinho could do about that really.

4 very winnable games in the league coming up, which will shape our season far more than today will.
 
Asger said:
No, both Jose and 70% of the fans overrated almost all our players. Just seeing the squad today, only De Gea, Mata and Sanchez have proven to be top players. How can we expect to get top 4 with it? Players like Lingard, Young and Fellaini would be lucky to start for any other Top 10 team.
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Alright, so it’s not his fault he threw £400m down the drain. Going straight to ignore.
 
In Rainbows said:
We have the same amount of points as Bournemouth and Watford. There's a difference of 4 and 6 in goal difference despite them being equal in points. Meaning that it's a bad goal difference for this amount of points. We're in a big hole in that department.

Spurs and Arsenal are currently +11 and +12 on goal difference. We currently have to make up that difference by the end of the season where it will matter. That is what we are saying. Goal difference does matter as proven by those two instances where we lost out on the PL and CL. To say it doesn't matter is just objectively wrong.
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Then I think there is a misunderstanding of my post. I said goal difference doesn't matter because of where we are in the season (November). I was quite clear in highlighting the oppositions we have until 2019 compared to those above us in the league and said that can be turned around. Favorable fixtures include Palace, Huddersfield, Cardiff etc (apologies for repeating this) and these are all games where we can pick up more goals and wins relative to what those above us have ahead of them.
 
Sarni said:
I think we have improved significantly over the last 3-4 weeks. We had a slow start with a few hiccups but are all right at the minute. I don’t dramatize because of a loss at Etihad, all our top 4 rivals will lose there too.
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We got significantly outplayed in long periods during our last two matches (before today). What on earth are you on about?
 
SteveW said:
Ah come on he's spent an absolute fortune on players.
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That's true but there are still bad players in the squad since 2013, even then they are not good enough. It's both Jose and the board fault.
 
Plenty of fickleness here,we have just won at Juventus and lost at a team thats playing FM on cheat mode....
 
Kush said:
No matter how much you dislike Mourinho, you cannot definitively say a CL place finish is a lost cause in November. Handing the reins to a caretaker manager be it McKenna or Carrick is a massive massive risk, billion of dollars are riding on this club. We have far too much to lose than to gain by such an appointment.

I would be all for binning him now if we have a top replacement lined up at present. But we don't, all good managers are settled and stabled in their clubs at the moment. It's a very tricky situation for the club right now and I hope they don't make a decision in a haste.
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It's not to do with dislike. It's about mismanagement. I didn't say a CL place is a lost cause, I said I don't believe we'll get it with this under performing manager of ours. I see us challenging for it. And you never know we might get top 4 but I think the others will fancy their chances now.

Also, I don't see myself as an expert on the managerial pool but I believe there's always talent out there waiting to rise to the top. Zidane came from somewhere. Pep came from somewhere. I don't feel a necessarily need a top manager to replace Mourinho. If anything, the last 5 years have conclusively proven that big name managers and players aren't necessarily the way forward. Performance and good work does better than mere reputation.
 
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