Interestingly the mourinho never had mourinho style footballers in Madrid that's the best any team had played under him as their were proper playmakers in the middle with a top class mid and direct worlds best wide players. Madrid were not a long ball team and most of those players he inherited there, while here he returned with his long ball defensive stuff as he never bough the proper midfield here to play that way while having no natural wide men here.
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Interestingly the mourinho never had mourinho style footballers in Madrid that's the best any team had played under him as their were proper playmakers in the middle with a top class mid and direct worlds best wide players. Madrid were not a long ball team and most of those players he inherited there, while here he returned with his long ball defensive stuff as he never bough the proper midfield here to play that way while having no natural wide men here.
Plenty of people are acting like their opinions are facts. So when someone says “he did this” that’s not an opinion, that’s a statement of fact. “I believe he did this” is an opinion, and even then it’s jot out of order to ask why that is your opinion. And when “because it’s in the paper” is the reply it’s jot unreasonable to challenge that opinion.
Which poster? Since I’ve been acted by more than a few people that get butthut about being asked how they came to thier conclusion?
I never thought about glory haunting like that but you have a point. Maybe that’s why Chelsea fans loved it. They was probably the glory haunting United fans at one time...
Do you require disclaimers when posters give opinions now?
I never thought about glory haunting like that but you have a point. Maybe that’s why Chelsea fans loved it. They was probably the glory haunting United fans at one time...
Yep it's the same thing as how things were at City - success was more important than anything else; what players were used, what type of football was being played was irrelevant. That was the case because they had historically low success & were hunting for glory anyway see fit. Jose suits Chelsea even to this day more than he suits United after 3 years because one club would die for success in any way possible - whilst United tend to have standards.
Good thing youre not anywhere close to the club, I guess.
No. Just don't chat rubbish like "mourinho said he has a crap team at Chelsea" and then hide when someone asks for quotes.
While i agree, we need both standards as well as success.
Wish we could have been as decisive as Real. This season is already a write off, the fact we are talking about 'maybe if he can get top 4' as a positive then it speaks volumes.
The season was a write-off before a ball had even been kicked though. I don't remember ever going into a season with so little belief that we'd achieve anything.
Butthut is brilliant. Butthurt's often the sign of a shit post but Butthut is totally different, I salute you.
“Last season I did phenomenal work. Sometimes I find myself thinking that last season I did such an amazing job I brought players to a level that is not their level and, if this is true, I brought them to such a level where this season they couldn’t keep the super motivation to be leaders and champions. That is one possibility."
Typo aside(you’re better than that), what else would you call an aggressive reaction to “how do you know that?”?
That this is the best squad since SAF says more about how much quality has or has not been injected. if the squad is not at the level of the competition, how can it be good enough to win the title? managers are not magicians and it is not a coicidence that pep wonntge league after speninding more than everyone else despite starting off with one of the best squads in the league.
Another way you could look at it is that he didn’t throw them under the bus for downing tools? I wouldn’t look at that way, but I’m sure someone could.
I genuinely enjoyed the typo, there's a certain joy to be found in words if you're that way inclined. As for aggressive reactions, I've found being aggressive makes one very vulnerable and unlikely to win an argument, I'd advise everyone to avoid it for their own good, angry people nearly always lose.
1. where were we before Mourinho? 5th with no CL
2. how much was spent before last summer? about £300m
3. where were we after spending £300m? 2nd behind a citeh who started of with a better squad and spent more.
if we really wanted to compete with citeh, we would have added players the needed quality in the summer to close the gap if not overtake citeh. instead we added fred and dalot
Has said something similar about us too. He's good at this shit that man
the quality of the squad is independent of the quality of the manager.
Ok, since money is the sole reason City and Liverpool and Chelsea play better football than us how about Arse and Spurs? Let me guess, those ones have a better 'structure'
If we do scrape 4th or 5th the rejoicing and I told sos from Jose's cultists will be greater than our Moscow CL win. 'I told you cnuts $400m can only get you 5th place suck on that you haters haha!!'
So where does he say his team is crap. He had a side that was champions one year and shit the next. Then under Conte they were champions one year and shit the next. Even under Ancelotti they won the league and ended up more than 10 points lower in the following season.
Jose was highlighting the lack of motivation with his players, not saying they were of shit quality. Its something even Zidane complained of about his players domestically when at Real in season 3.
Given we have spent less than City and Liverpool in guessing a fair expectation should be 3rd for you right?
I don't know I never said money is the sole reason, I think we should be doing much better with the squad we have, at least play much more positive and it's definitely Jose's fault. I don't think getting Aldeweireld would have changed much, if anything. I can't see us scraping 4th, we are just way behind 4 teams. I don't think Arsenal will maintain this form for much longer, they have been very lucky in quite a few games this season.
Yes, if we put up a decent challenge but I'd still want him gone for the shit football. How about you is finishing below Spurs and Arsenal a fair expectation?
I don't think it's acceptable to finish below Spurs and Arsenal no, but I also don't think it's going to be a foregone conclusion that we will. Which is why I'd rather support him in trying to turn it around rather than pack up and wave a white flag in October.
The question is about the amount spent. if you feel the players are not worth 400m then the fault lies with the guy who paid 400m for them.
that mourinho or any manager asks for a player does not mean we should cough out whatever the other club is asking for
Good grief you even sound like him.
That's the thing I don't think Arsenal, Spurs or Chelsea are playing anything spectacular, we're just so terrible even bottom table teams look better at football than us. Blaming that on spending is just being delusional
Considering we always seem to pay the “United price” I tend to agree with this. Why were we being quoted somewhere between 75 and 90 for morata for example but Chelsea got him for 60ish? Maybe it’s all just papers talking out their bums but it does seem we are always been offered players for much more than others.
Which is all well and good but some of us have seen enough from the past two seasons to conclude that he's not good enough and frankly so should the club. We are not obligated to wait till the season ends to know if he should stay or not like we did with Moyes for no bloody good reason. Any ambitious club won't accept this as Lopetegui has found out
Well that's sort of bullshit because he had 2 cups in his first year and took us 2nd in his second year despite spending less than Conte and Pep. I'm not saying he's amazing in his time but he sure as hell doesn't give the impression you suggest.
You're evidently just upset that our football isn't entertaining in the first 2 seasons, but the truth is his style got us back on the map in seasons 1 and 2 so he's obviously good enough when looking at 1+2 seasons results.
He moaned about signings for that whole summer. Go read it up yourself.
When did he say he had a crap team at Chelsea.
Such a shame we are paying big money for manager.
When have you ever heard a manager say his team was crap? Your as bad as the other guy. Red cafe the law firm. He said his team was gassed out and needed refreshing. Which is why they ended up as relegation fother apparently. But the magician that was Conte managed to get the same team plus kante and David Luiz (a player Mourinho deemed not valuable enough to keep) back to the title.
The signs are there it’s just History repeating itself. Do you need to get shot before you realise the man has a gun. I don’t get it. Look at David Luiz, that could easily be an Eric Bailly example.
You wanted name of manager who has rebuilt a squad and you got one.
There are two ways to sort this team, give Mourinho hundreds of millions to buy whoever he wants and build a team to peak within a year or two before it implodes and then you have to spend fortunes more and start again.
Or look for someone who can improve what we have individually and collectively, spend money on the right players and work as part of a plan with a new structure etc.
Neither is sure to work, even if Mourinho had been ‘backed’ this summer he still wouldn’t have finished above City. The second option is at least along lines of how a club should be run rather than the clueless, scattergun and failing approach we currently have.
Mou won't get us in top 4 and be gone at the end of the season.
So. The plan is finding the next saf - gill combo? Now why havent we think of that.
While we're at it we should add the next johann cruyft as well.
Now where do we find them?
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