We could also borrow his logic that 75m of that was on just one player
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We could also borrow his logic that 75m of that was on just one player
Liverpool £387million (0)**
City £546million (2)**
Chelsea £477million (2)*
Tottenham - £185million (0)**
Arsenal - £274million (0)
Watford - £152million (0)
In brackets is what they have won for the money. * indicates CL qualification.
Apologies on the Klopp one I needed to filter by Liverpool.
Klopp - £393m
Jose - 334m
Pep - 599m (lol)
My point being, Jose hasn't spent shit loads compared to his peers and 40% of his spending is actually on two players, which actually points to a really shit infrastructure of identifying and buying talent more than anything else.
I never once implied Jose is free of all blame. I'm just saying there is shit loads more to it. I'm also against the idea that we are still playing poor. There are plenty of positives to take from our last 3 league games.
Please stop bringing LVG into it. He was sacked for finishing outside top 4. He's completely irrelevant to Jose right now.
Why are you blaming infustructure for breaking transfer records. That would be like Barcelona moaning they could have got 3 players instead of throwing all that money at Coutinho.
In last 3 seasons by transfermarkt( in euros).
City-600
Chelsea-530
United- 430
Liverpool-430
I am not suggesting anything. Just trying to clear that up.
City-600
Chelsea-530
United- 430
Liverpool-430
I am not suggesting anything. Just trying to clear that up.
Chelsea have spent $477 since Jose got here? Forget it, just stop quoting me, I'll do the same, your posts are just senseless.
Apparently they do. Awram? Glazer is a huge football fan.
You ALWAYS imply exactly that. You just offer empty platitudes that "there are things I'm unhappy with" but never say anything concrete. And you defend him in pretty much everything. Signings weren't his fault, poor performances are not his fault and they aren't even poor anymore. I expect the only thing you "blame" Mourinho for is that he didn't stand up and say "feck the Glazers and Woodward" in a press conference.
Also, it's not 334M, it's 388m. Seems like you didn't count Fred.
46% of Liverpool's spending is actually on only three players.
We are still playing poor. We got schooled by Juventus a week ago. No, please, don't tell me Juventus are better than us anyway and we expected a defeat, I know that. Still does not change the fact we played absolutely terrible, especially in the first half where we barely even got out of our own half and had 30% possession.
They spent 529m euros in last 3 seasons. To be fair, they sold players for 360mil euros. But to be more fair, Conte inherited Jose's squad with some top world class players. Many ways to look at it
Take a moment to read https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/fc-chelsea/alletransfers/verein/631. Your mobile (maybe cellphone is better?) will aid in adding the figures together.
Actually yes they did. However I think these numbers don't include sales but Chelsea's sales are a bit fishy to say the least.
Which Mourinho had in 16th on the table.
Whether we have wasted it or not is not the problem. Clubs waste money all the time it doesn’t stop them from being successful. The real point is he’s had money to waste and a lot of money at that.
You were talking in dollars and he was talking in pounds. You really dont see where the confusion might have crept in?
Because they downed tools, not because of shit tactics or whatever. He hasnt lost the dressing room here (yet?), no one who has lost the dressing room could have got any team to fight back against newcastle like he did.
With which Jose won Premier league and league cup in that same year
LVG finished outside the top 4 in his final season. Jose still has a chance at making the top 4. I wouldnt expect him to get the sack until that top 4 is mathematically impossible.
Simply put, Jose could blame Woodward all he god damn wants, if he was up their fighting with City.
We're playing mostly terrible football, park the bus but conceding all the goals while other teams are playing much better football and are higher up the table.
Is our defence that much worse than Arsenals?
You guys are so flexible, bend over backwards for Mourinho.
I'd stick with Mourinho and even defend him if the football was bad but the results came and there was a chance of titles.
But I just don't understand, what's the point? All we're getting is inconsistent results, terrible football and more drama than the other 19 teams put together.
Imitating Arsenal or Spurs would be a god damn upgrade at this point.
Did Bournemonth spend 400mill in the summer or something?
We're playing mostly terrible football, park the bus but conceding all the goals while other teams are playing much better football and are higher up the table.
Is our defence that much worse than Arsenals?
You guys are so flexible, bend over backwards for Mourinho.
I'd stick with Mourinho and even defend him if the football was bad but the results came and there was a chance of titles.
But I just don't understand, what's the point? All we're getting is inconsistent results, terrible football and more drama than the other 19 teams put together.
Imitating Arsenal or Spurs would be a god damn upgrade at this point.
Did Bournemonth spend 400mill in the summer or something?
For me result is the main( if not only) thing. Since this season Jose had results. Finishing second behind that City is not maybe superb result but it is not for sacking.
Lets see results in May. If we win something and finish in top 4, he deserves 4th season. Season where he must be backed in transfer market at maximum but also in that season he must win PL( or CL)
If he fails in that, then i will vote for sack.
Lets see results in May. If we win something and finish in top 4, he deserves 4th season. Season where he must be backed in transfer market at maximum but also in that season he must win PL( or CL)
If he fails in that, then i will vote for sack.
Your crazy lol
Objective. Look, i just think that he is the best guy for this job. And with 2 or maybe 3 more new players, he will win PL.
These 3 month were awful and i wasn't happy with Jose like many of you. But, i blame shit defence. We have 5 clowns in defence. Remember City in first season with Pep? They were also bad. But when Pep bought whole new defence, they destroyed whole PL. My main football moto is ; everything goes from defence.
Give Jose two world class defenders and it is different United.
Objective. Look, i just think that he is the best guy for this job. And with 2 or maybe 3 more new players, he will win PL.
These 3 month were awful and i wasn't happy with Jose like many of you. But, i blame shit defence. We have 5 clowns in defence. Remember City in first season with Pep? They were also bad. But when Pep bought whole new defence, they destroyed whole PL. My main football moto is ; everything goes from defence.
Give Jose two world class defenders and it is different United.
Honestly as a Chelsea fan (I’m saying if you was) would you have given Conte this 3rd season? This is exactly what you are advocating by saying you would give Mourinho a 4th. He’s at the wrong club, i’d Rather he go and fix Madrid’s current mess. They have money to spend again... he will love it. Hopefully he comes for Lukaku.
2 of the clowns in defence were brought by Jose, not to mention if the board back him up, Martial will be flourishing at Inter or Chelsea and Shaw at spurs.Objective. Look, i just think that he is the best guy for this job. And with 2 or maybe 3 more new players, he will win PL.
These 3 month were awful and i wasn't happy with Jose like many of you. But, i blame shit defence. We have 5 clowns in defence. Remember City in first season with Pep? They were also bad. But when Pep bought whole new defence, they destroyed whole PL. My main football moto is ; everything goes from defence.
Give Jose two world class defenders and it is different United.
No one is posting facts here, everyone including you are posting their opinions, if you start asking where is the source or quote for every little thing to just win the argument, then there is no point in the forum at all. THe poster that gave his opinion regarding Martial, clearly explained how he came into that conclusion, instead of debating on those points you just wanted to him shut up and asked for a source which every one knows is unattainable.
This post exemplifies the absolute drop in standards and what some are now willing to accept and defend. Look at the majority of the teams you mentioned ffs; Chelsea just dicked Burnley away the weekend and Newcastle are utter shite and sitting bottom of the table (we scraped by them). A good half here and there is now acceptable? The mind boggles.
No. But beating Newcastle, outplaying Burnley, Everton, deserving 3 points to Chelsea away and so on are signs of improvement.
If we miss top 4 are you still for Jose to stay?
The only sign of actual improvement was a spell against Chelsea. The rest are games we absolutely should be winning every day of the week. No idea what game you saw the weekend but I found nothing impressive about beating Everton or the manner in which we done it. We played ok, that's about it. You also conveniently left out the Juventus game.
Again that thing about defenders. He made a mistake. So what? At least he knows that he was wrong. Every manager has bad transfers. Should Klopp stick with Klavan and Karius? Pep with Bravo and Nolito? Nobody is saying that he will add one or two defenders on those that he has. If he sells 2 dc for 60 mil, can he get one new then?
Being in 8th place during a start of the season where multiple teams are in the title race is a sign of improvement now?
Why would Jose want his payers to play well in the second half only or vice versa? Thats on the players jesus they need some self respect and stop hiding behind a manager who they play amazing for.....for 20 mins in the second half....and like garbage the rest of the game.....! Jose voices his annoyance of those facts in poor ways in public but after watching some players do it for months and months I'm not surprised. Look how standards have dropped with this club with fans pandering to players playing well below their own standards over a manager calling them out as shi*e for doing so.
No. Only if he wins CL. This squad is not good enough to challenge City for PL but top 4 should be reached.
Being in 8th place during a start of the season where multiple teams are in the title race is a sign of improvement now?
Do you bother to read my posts? We went from being a side that can't beat West Ham or Brighton to now putting away the sides we are expected to.
Whether you want to admit it or not it's improvement in form. I never once said we are where we should be.
Bullshit. Since the second half of Newcastle to our final whistle against Everton we were looking much improved domestically when compared to the form up to the West Ham game.
I haven't conveniently left out shit. I'm talking about our domestic chances in the top 4 race. I always have.
Ah right, so you will leave out the Juve performance to suit your agenda. Fair enough. Maybe you've been blown away by our performances in those games but I haven't.
What fecking agenda? I was talking about how our league position can be turned around. It has nothing to do with Juventus whatsoever.
Oh dear we had 30% for half the game against Juve at home in a match we lost 1-0. Let's sack our manager. Caf gone to tits
Back when we were the most consistent & successful team in the UK - a lot of the fans of the other teams would call a lot of our fans 'glory hunters'.
I never really got that & thought it was pure jealousy - which it probably was- but I am seeing it much more clearly now.
Success & trophies are more important to some fans rather than the club progressing themselves bit by bit to a more consistent level of capability.
The fact is Jose at United should adapt his game & his management to the standards of Manchester United - he is being hired to manage the players we already have, utilise things like our youth team, whilst keeping a level of stability & respect at a club that is viewed by millions over the world.
Many fans were very eager for him to take over LVG even though they were at two opposite sides of the spectrum - all because he had the ability to purely win a trophy or two during a traditional 3 year tenure. We skipped the whole trying to let an assistant manager take over the manager after 3 years attempt (giggs & LVG) fall apart because for a need of glory; fair play to that.
Now I am seeing in his 3 years - after winning some marginal trophies that people want to continue with Jose - even though we hardly have a game plan, we hardly get the best out of our players, we hardly control a game even against relegation fiddlers, we play like the underdogs, better players are left out unfairly for people who are merely taller & stronger - the list goes on.
And yet - fans want him to continue.. For what? To win an odd trophy? That to me is a glory hunter - putting all our clubs understanding & expectations of football in a bin just so we can scrape a trophy by winning a game 1-0 on the counterattack with players that are about to retire.
The fact is a traditional Jose team has a very short lifespan & constantly involves players that only suit Jose & not anyone else after. Whilst players like - Matic, Lukaku, Aldeweireld, Sanchez, perisic, Willian & Mcguire- May have the ability to win a title; the chances are mininal in my opinion because whilst such a team could have won in pre - 2014 - playing football in such a robust way is nowhere near good enough anymore due to the level of competition that is spread through out all of the league. Also the fact that alpt of these players are near 30 or more is down right a very short term view on football & as proven so far this season; younger players have been able to up their game when needed more so than expected. These players if they did win a title - would only be able to do so for a year or two max before degrading as we have already seen with Matic & Sanchez.
So what do we do? Continue & just abandon the clubs philosophy for the chance to win an odd lucky title just to feel like a big club again for 12 months or so? Or do we try to build something consistent that may take more time & may take 2 steps back to make 5 steps forward. I know what I want & that's not just merely changing anything of United philosophy to just hunt for glory.
Jose has finally attempted to bend his tactics & his footballing choices towards that of Manchester United In his third season - you could argue that's because he has given up on properly managing this team in his own very strict regime. However whilst the results & the trophies are not there - when we do play good; we play good as we ever did under Jose. That's because the manager has done things the United way for once whilst previously he would go by the philosophy of Chelsea & the numerous other clubs he managed who were under dogs in their league needing success in anyway that came fit.
I never really got that & thought it was pure jealousy - which it probably was- but I am seeing it much more clearly now.
Success & trophies are more important to some fans rather than the club progressing themselves bit by bit to a more consistent level of capability.
The fact is Jose at United should adapt his game & his management to the standards of Manchester United - he is being hired to manage the players we already have, utilise things like our youth team, whilst keeping a level of stability & respect at a club that is viewed by millions over the world.
Many fans were very eager for him to take over LVG even though they were at two opposite sides of the spectrum - all because he had the ability to purely win a trophy or two during a traditional 3 year tenure. We skipped the whole trying to let an assistant manager take over the manager after 3 years attempt (giggs & LVG) fall apart because for a need of glory; fair play to that.
Now I am seeing in his 3 years - after winning some marginal trophies that people want to continue with Jose - even though we hardly have a game plan, we hardly get the best out of our players, we hardly control a game even against relegation fiddlers, we play like the underdogs, better players are left out unfairly for people who are merely taller & stronger - the list goes on.
And yet - fans want him to continue.. For what? To win an odd trophy? That to me is a glory hunter - putting all our clubs understanding & expectations of football in a bin just so we can scrape a trophy by winning a game 1-0 on the counterattack with players that are about to retire.
The fact is a traditional Jose team has a very short lifespan & constantly involves players that only suit Jose & not anyone else after. Whilst players like - Matic, Lukaku, Aldeweireld, Sanchez, perisic, Willian & Mcguire- May have the ability to win a title; the chances are mininal in my opinion because whilst such a team could have won in pre - 2014 - playing football in such a robust way is nowhere near good enough anymore due to the level of competition that is spread through out all of the league. Also the fact that alpt of these players are near 30 or more is down right a very short term view on football & as proven so far this season; younger players have been able to up their game when needed more so than expected. These players if they did win a title - would only be able to do so for a year or two max before degrading as we have already seen with Matic & Sanchez.
So what do we do? Continue & just abandon the clubs philosophy for the chance to win an odd lucky title just to feel like a big club again for 12 months or so? Or do we try to build something consistent that may take more time & may take 2 steps back to make 5 steps forward. I know what I want & that's not just merely changing anything of United philosophy to just hunt for glory.
Jose has finally attempted to bend his tactics & his footballing choices towards that of Manchester United In his third season - you could argue that's because he has given up on properly managing this team in his own very strict regime. However whilst the results & the trophies are not there - when we do play good; we play good as we ever did under Jose. That's because the manager has done things the United way for once whilst previously he would go by the philosophy of Chelsea & the numerous other clubs he managed who were under dogs in their league needing success in anyway that came fit.
What fecking agenda? I was talking about how our league position can be turned around. It has nothing to do with Juventus whatsoever.
Oh dear we had 30% for half the game against Juve at home in a match we lost 1-0. Let's sack our manager. Caf gone to tits
Righteo.
What fecking agenda? I was talking about how our league position can be turned around. It has nothing to do with Juventus whatsoever.
Oh dear we had 30% for half the game against Juve at home in a match we lost 1-0. Let's sack our manager. Caf gone to tits
That is a sackable offence if ever I’ve seen one. Especially with the team he has. It pretty much got the latest Madrid manager the sack.
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