The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked

[WensleyMU]

You're the one applying this arbitrary label. Keep holding on to his past glories I suppose. LVG was a "winner" too. That got us really far.

Pep didn't win the league one year - his supposed transition year. He has been a huge success at City. Klopp has done a very good job at Liverpool but if he's spending around what we and City do, then he has to show trophies for it. He certainly can't hide behind league titles in Germany 5 years back because.. winner.

You yourself have decided that one season of failing to win something is enough to consider someone no longer a winner. What they have won before, irrespective of how recently no longer matters, only the previous season? This is what you have said.

Peps transition season though Some transition that, spend £500million on top of having one of the best 2 squads in the league. Must be nice.

 

[WensleyMU]

So what's changed for such a drastic deterioration? Nothing in the way we play and Dave is still in net.

Clearly the side has tried to be more attacking and less conservative. Of course trying doesnt mean it has worked out that way.

This and a significant increase in individual errors, which have cost us 7/8 points so far this season.

 

[MackRobinson]

You're the only one in the world whom I see holding him responsibility of what happened on Saturday. Even on this forum his most haters didn't. Good luck mate.

He didn't do that. He made a clear distinction between his altercation with the the Chelsea coach and the reaction to the fans. You completely ignored what he said. smh

 

[amolbhatia50k]

You yourself have decided that one season of failing to win something is enough to consider someone no longer a winner. What they have won before, irrespective of how recently no longer matters, only the previous season? This is what you have said.

Peps transition season though Some transition that, spend £500million on top of having one of the best 2 squads in the league. Must be nice.

Erm, read posts properly, perhaps? You're the one obsessed with people being winners not me. I'm interested in performance at the respective clubs (particularly ours). And in that, Mourinho is failing. Pep has been hugely successful.

My post was clearly targeted at the obsession with Mourinho being a winner. As if that somehow is going to magically lead to greatness despite us playing wank football most of the time and his coaching lowering performance levels of our players i.e him essentially under performing. Going by this logic we should have stuck with LVG, Rooney and Schweinstieger. It's just a rhetoric at this point.

 

[el3mel]

He didn't do that. He made a clear distinction between his altercation with the the Chelsea coach and the reaction to the fans. You completely ignored what he said. smh

And why are you replaying instead of him ? He can if he wants to. His account is working as far as I'm concerned.

 

[MackRobinson]

Yeah I really wonder why that's happening.

 

[fellaini's barber]

Mean while , arsenal who dint buy a defender as well, has won 10 in a row and scored more than us and conceded less , shows the impact emery is having on the style of arsenal, while we having better defenders than them keep conceeding goals , as we don't press and try to sit back.

Almost seems as mourinho is trying to show the board the consequences of not buying in the summer by playing a certain way.

Yup, all the more reasons to laugh at the whole "i haven't been backed in the transfer window". Arsenal were a worse team than us last season and with pretty much the same personnel they are much better

Check the Emery thread, now they say its because Arsenal have a better 'structure' and if Emery came here he'd be shit too

 

[MackRobinson]

And why are you replaying instead of him ? He can if he wants to. His account is working as far as I'm concerned.

I'm pretty sure this is an internet forum and I can reply to whoever I want.

You purposely ignored the main crux of his post (Mourinho's reaction to the Chelsea fans) just to criticize him. That's petty and unnecessary.

 

[Kerry Donaghy]

You're the only one in the world whom I see holding him responsibility of what happened on Saturday. Even on this forum his most haters didn't. Good luck mate.

If you actually bothered to read my post properly, I'm not holding him responsible, I'm just saying that he's hardly innocent in all of it.
Is it not basic playground stuff that rising above idiots like Ianni is the wisest thing to do?

E.g. If he hadn't of made such a big drama out of it (which undoubtedly would have been much worse but for the intervention of the stewards) and just ignored this supposed nobody, would anyone even have noticed?

Then afterwards he precedes to strut about the pitch goading the Chelsea fans just as much, if not more, than what was done to him.

As I said, I just don't get it.
Im a diehard Utd fan but that doesn't mean I have to defend someone when they constantly embarrass the club. I'm obviously not just basing that on this incident, I could probably name hundreds because it seems there is something every week now, and that's just what happens in the public domain, f*ck knows what other jibbersih he's coming out with behind the scenes.

In fact, it's precisely because I'm a diehard Utd fan that I'm even taking time out to discuss my concerns. The main concern being, that I genuinely think its only going to get worse, the guy has lost the plot, you can see it a mile off.
Even if he doesn't do or say something that's just so ludicrous that even his number one fan can't defend it (which I honestly think is inevitable) and we have to sack him, then our performances on the pitch suggest he should be gone anyway. We're a bang average mid table side right now and that's 2.5 seasons in with £400 million spent (plus Zlatan and Sanchez on huge contracts).

Sorry, but in my opinion, it's impossible to justify him still being here on any level whatsoever.
Anyone that thinks a win over Newcastle and a draw at Chelsea is suddenly enough outweigh all the other bs that's gone on this season and last, is seriously kidding themselves in my opinion.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Check the Emery thread, now they say its because Arsenal have a better 'structure' and if Emery came here he'd be shit too

That could all be true and still not remove Mourinho of any culpability for us being mid-table.

Fecking madness the way so many of ye insist on everything being completely binary. It’s either 100% Mourinho’s fault or 100% the fault of our board. I guess it’s comforting to see life without any shades of grey.

 

[el3mel]

I'm pretty sure this is an internet forum and I can reply to whoever I want.

You purposely ignored the main crux of his post (Mourinho's reaction to the Chelsea fans) just to criticize him. That's petty and unnecessary.

That's not your problem.

 

[MackRobinson]

That's not your problem.

I made it my problem. Deal with it.

 

[Kerry Donaghy]

Anyone in the media who has the balls to critique him? Really? That's what strikes you as ballsy journalism?

Obviously we're not comparing this to bringing down a corrupt government in a war torn country or anything but in the context of sports writing, yes I do.

It's pretty clear that some other writers/pundits are happy to play the role of the nodding dog, but I would say ppl like Paul Scholes and Roy Keane have the balls to call it as they see it.

 

[Minimalist]

Yeah I really wonder why that's happening.

Jesus! Some of you get posting so I'm not near the top of this.

That feature should be automatically posted every 5-10 pages (on any big thread) to remind the people who need to chill.

 

[el3mel]

If you actually bothered to read my post properly, I'm not holding him responsible, I'm just saying that he's hardly innocent in all of it.
Is it not basic playground stuff that rising above idiots like Ianni is the wisest thing to do?

E.g. If he hadn't of made such a big drama out of it (which undoubtedly would have been much worse but for the intervention of the stewards) and just ignored this supposed nobody, would anyone even have noticed?

Then afterwards he precedes to strut about the pitch goading the Chelsea fans just as much, if not more, than what was done to him.

As I said, I just don't get it.
Im a diehard Utd fan but that doesn't mean I have to defend someone when they constantly embarrass the club (I'm obviously not just basing that on this incident, I could probably name hundreds because it seems there is something every week now).

In fact, it's precisely because I'm a diehard Utd fan that I'm even taking time out to discuss my concerns. The main concern being, that I genuinely think its only going to get worse, the guy has lost the plot, you can see it a mile off.
Even if he doesn't do or say something that's just so ludicrous that even his number one fan can't defend it (which I honestly think is inevitable) and we have to sack him, then our performances on the pitch suggest he should be gone anyway. We're a bang average mid table side right now and that's 2.5 seasons in with £400 million spent (plus Zlatan and Sanchez on huge contracts).

Sorry, but in my opinion, it's impossible to justify him still being here on any level whatsoever.
Anyone that thinks a win over Newcastle and a draw at Chelsea is suddenly enough outweigh all the other bs that's gone on this season and last, is seriously kidding themselves in my opinion.

So he should let a no name to celebrate in his face and provoke him and stand still with no reaction to not "embarrass" the club ? Are you talking seriously ?

Do you think Sir Alex would have stood still while a no name provoking him in his face for a late goal ? He completely slaughtered Newcastle before and said they're a Wee club from north east that no one cares for. That's the personality of any big manager.

You want a manager who lives in Utopia, got slaughtered and provoked by the opposition coaches and fans with no reaction to keep the "face of the club". I won't like someone with zero personality like that. He won't be a winner or fit for such a big job.

You're free to want him here or not and if the results were shite and we finished out in top 4, he'll be sacked. There's no question about him, but asking for someone to got provoked by a no name. Both are completely irrelevant to each other.

 

[el3mel]

I made it my problem. Deal with it.

I don't need to. "Ignore" is a great function here.

 

[Cassidy]

Can't imagine defending the Chelsea fans over Jose. They were giving him so much stick, don't blame him at all for giving it back, they owe him so much.

Whilst I don't blame Jose, its interesting that when a player gets sent off from reacting or does something stupid like reacting to stick from fans and gets into trouble, the reaction is totally different and the player should know better. Personally I think the manager should be more responsible than his players.

 

[MackRobinson]

I don't need to. "Ignore" is a great function here.

I'm fine with that. I don't get any much value from going back and forth with you or reading your posts.

 

[Kerry Donaghy]

Reminder that today is the 22nd of October, not March, April or May. Something often forgotten around here. A calendar can be a useful way to keep track of the current date.

Also, I think he will sign a new deal by the end of the season, certainly by the end of 2019. I'm confident he will get the team back on track and things behind the scenes are clearly not as they are being reported and believed. We were in bad form, nothing more, nothing less.

Come on, really???

I think ppl would except a bad performance if it was the exception rather than the rule but this has been going on since halfway through last season and is getting progressively worse, that's not form, that's actual status.
Even the rare times were we have played some decent football it's nearly always after going a goal behind.

 

[WensleyMU]

Erm, read posts properly, perhaps? You're the one obsessed with people being winners not me. I'm interested in performance at the respective clubs (particularly ours). And in that, Mourinho is failing. Pep has been hugely successful.

My post was clearly targeted at the obsession with Mourinho being a winner. As if that somehow is going to magically lead to greatness despite us playing wank football most of the time and his coaching lowering performance levels of our players i.e him essentially under performing. Going by this logic we should have stuck with LVG, Rooney and Schweinstieger. It's just a rhetoric at this point.

@FrantikChicken brought Mourinho being a winner into it, you then claimed that hes not a winner, in fact he is a failure. The standard you used was that he won nothing last season.

"However let's not harp on about the winner bit. Right now, regardless of what he's won in the past, he's not winning. In fact many would argue he's failing."

So based on that I asked you if that meant in 2016/17, when Pep failed to win anything at all, was he too considered a failure. Of course he was not, without knowing the outcome of the 2017/18 season, Pep was a winner regardless.

There is no obsession with Jose being a winner, it is an indisputable fact. There is no argument against it. As is Pep. Even van Gaal, who has won silverware at every club hes been at is considered a winner in football. Were not talking about a decade ago, were talking about 2 years.

So before you suggest someone reads posts properly, try to focus on who it is you are having the discussion with.

 

[fellaini's barber]

That could all be true and still not remove Mourinho of any culpability for us being mid-table.

Fecking madness the way so many of ye insist on everything being completely binary. It’s either 100% Mourinho’s fault or 100% the fault of our board. I guess it’s comforting to see life without any shades of grey.

Sorry but I don't see how where we are on the table and our dire football has anything to do with our structure. Sure it's not perfect but neither is anyone elses. I personally would rather have the glazers and this terrible structure of ours ahead of working with the owners of Spurs, Liverpool and Abramovich and so would lots of managers. If it's so terrible for Jose with us with all the money and support we've given him do you now think he'd rather manage Spurs,Liverpool or Arsenal? Can someone actually tell me what this club has really done wrong with Jose compared to other clubs that makes it okay to point fingers at them for where we are at right now? Do people even realise that Jose would have been long gone at any other big club?

 

[Random Task]

@FrantikChicken brought Mourinho being a winner into it, you then claimed that hes not a winner, in fact he is a failure. The standard you used was that he won nothing last season.

"However let's not harp on about the winner bit. Right now, regardless of what he's won in the past, he's not winning. In fact many would argue he's failing."

So based on that I asked you if that meant in 2016/17, when Pep failed to win anything at all, was he too considered a failure. Of course he was not, without knowing the outcome of the 2017/18 season, Pep was a winner regardless.

There is no obsession with Jose being a winner, it is an indisputable fact. There is no argument against it. As is Pep. Even van Gaal, who has won silverware at every club hes been at is considered a winner in football. Were not talking about a decade ago, were talking about 2 years.

So before you suggest someone reads posts properly, try to focus on who it is you are having the discussion with.

Jose Mourinho is a winner, no one is disputing that fact, but he hasn't won a league title in 4 seasons (which is the equivalent of an eternity for a manager of his pedigree). A fact that doesn't look likely to change any time soon.

Also, feck Pep, why does he have to be the barometer in this scenario? Sick of seeing the guys name attached to practically every post on the forum.

Yes, I did exaggerate a tad.

 

[WensleyMU]

Come on, really???

I think ppl would except a bad performance if it was the exception rather than the rule but this has been going on since halfway through last season and is getting progressively worse, that's not form, that's actual status.
Even the rare times were we have played some decent football it's nearly always after going a goal behind.

38 points, game 21 to 38. Comparable to City, Spurs and Liverpool. The first 11 games of 2018 we won 9, lost 2, including beating City, Liverpool and Chelsea. After the City game we had essentially secured 2nd place and concentrated on the FA Cup.

The idea that our form in 2018 has been poor since day one is false. It is simply untrue. For the first 4 months it was title winning form. Since then it has dropped, and the start of this season has been very poor, no question.

 

[Kerry Donaghy]

So he should let a no name to celebrate in his face and provoke him and stand still with no reaction to not "embarrass" the club ? Are you talking seriously ?

Do you think Sir Alex would have stood still while a no name provoking him in his face for a late goal ? He completely slaughtered Newcastle before and said they're a Wee club from north east that no one cares for. That's the personality of any big manager.

You want a manager who lives in Utopia, got slaughtered and provoked by the opposition coaches and fans with no reaction to keep the "face of the club". I won't like someone with zero personality like that. He won't be a winner or fit for such a big job.

You're free to want him here or not and if the results were shite and we finished out in top 4, he'll be sacked. There's no question about him, but asking for someone to got provoked by a no name. Both are completely irrelevant to each other.

Don't see what difference it makes that he is a no name, so if it was Guardiola or Sarri himself then what?
What different reaction should he have had?

Look, for the tenth time now, I'm not saying this was all Jose's fault or that he should have just sat there.

Im simply saying that I'm astonished that his reaction both to Ianni and to the Chelsea fans afterwards has been completely overlooked.

For example, would simply ignoring him and walking away (bit how like Tito Vilanova did after being poked in the eye by someone ) not have been a better response instead of having to be restrained by security and then strutting about demanding respect from the home support of one of your teams fiercest rivals.

By the way, I'm not saying it's easy to take the high road or walk away, I'm not even sure if I could do it, but pay me millions of pounds and I'd at least try.
If not, if I couldnt and I lost my discipline and retaliated then I'd expect to be criticised for it.
There was a million better ways he could have handled it, that's all I'm saying.

I'm also asking why it's been overlooked?

Is it because of all the moaning he's been doing about how he's the victim of a manhunt.
If this is the case, then I'm concerned because the simple fact is that he is not the victim of a manhunt, he's being criticised this season in the media because we've been a shambles on the pitch only made worse by our managers constant moaning and rubbish talking off it.
I or the press can't comment on that then, unless it's to say something positive?
Yet, you're the one saying I want a manager who lives in a utopia? Okay

 

[Sky1981]

Sorry but I don't see how where we are on the table and our dire football has anything to do with our structure. Sure it's not perfect but neither is anyone elses. I personally would rather have the glazers and this terrible structure of ours ahead of working with the owners of Spurs, Liverpool and Abramovich and so would lots of managers. If it's so terrible for Jose with us with all the money and support we've given him do you now think he'd rather manage Spurs,Liverpool or Arsenal? Can someone actually tell me what this club has really done wrong with Jose compared to other clubs that makes it okay to point fingers at them for where we are at right now? Do people even realise that Jose would have been long gone at any other big club?

It's always someone's fault, it has to be. There's posters that blames everything from the owner. Board. Manager and player.

If we took a step back and see we're actually not that bad, 2 cups and a runner up in 3 years. Granted this one is a poor season till now. But it doesnt mean ed and the glazer is at fault, in my eyes they did what a sane ceo and owner would do post moyes. Sure they didn't get it right, but who does all the time? They hired what most of us agree a good appointment, back them up with cash, give the manager time, what more could we possibly ask without giving them a crystal ball.

 

[kouroux]

Check the Emery thread, now they say its because Arsenal have a better 'structure' and if Emery came here he'd be shit too

Who are "they ? Where was that better structure last few seasons ?

 

[kouroux]

That could all be true and still not remove Mourinho of any culpability for us being mid-table.

Fecking madness the way so many of ye insist on everything being completely binary. It’s either 100% Mourinho’s fault or 100% the fault of our board. I guess it’s comforting to see life without any shades of grey.

Spot on. It's to hard to talk about anything to people who have this binary mindset

 

[fellaini's barber]

Who are "they ? Where was that better structure last few seasons ?

Check the thread yourself, people were mentioning how Emery didn't need half a billion and 3 years to create his stamp on team suddenly there was a lot of talk about structure

 

[el3mel]

Don't see what difference it makes that he is a no name, so if it was Guardiola or Sarri himself then what?
What different reaction should he have had?

Look, for the tenth time now, I'm not saying this was all Jose's fault or that he should have just sat there.

Im simply saying that I'm astonished that his reaction both to Ianni and to the Chelsea fans afterwards has been completely overlooked.

For example, would simply ignoring him and walking away (bit how like Tito Vilanova did after being poked in the eye by someone ) not have been a better response instead of having to be restrained by security and then strutting about demanding respect from the home support of one of your team teams fiercest rivals.

By the way, I'm not saying it's easy to take the high road or walk away, I'm not even sure if I could do it, but pay me millions of pounds and I'd at least try.
If not, if I couldnt and I lost my discipline and retaliated then I'd expect to be criticised for it.
There was a million better ways he could have handled it, that's all I'm saying.

I'm also asking why it's been overlooked?

Is it because of all the moaning he's been doing about how he's the victim of a manhunt.
If this is the case, then I'm concerned because the simple fact is that he is not the victim of a manhunt, he's being criticised this season in the media because we've been a shambles on the pitch only made worse by our managers constant moaning and rubbish talking off it.
I or the press can't comment on that then, unless it's to say something positive?
Yet, you're the one saying I want a manager who lives in a utopia? Okay

It was overlooked because everyone recognize he wasn't responsible for what happened, even the media who wants any story to talk loads about knew it, that should tell you more than anything that what he did in this very specific situation was absolutely normal reactions.

When Mourinho was on fault in his previous problems here or at his previous clubs he got as much criticism as he deserves from everyone. In this particular case he wasn't, so no one is talking about it. You're trying too hard to force him in the wrong side alongside Chelsea coach despite Chelsea themselves acknowledging it was their fault only. Sarri and his club admitted it.

I don't understand what's that "embarrassing the club" thing that kept repeating on almost everything, it's like our club, players and managers, should all be Utopian ones that get punished or provoked without much reaction to appear "classy". I don't want to be "classy" when it comes to these matters. It means you're weak and have no personality not that you're "classy and respected". If a manager got provoked in the face and didn't reach much, it means he's completely a non respectable figure and everyone will have the right to shite on him every match from now on. Will you like that ? Will you think Sir Alex would have liked it ? "Embarrassing the club" is a nonsense argument. The club isn't embarrassed by what happened per se.

 

[fellaini's barber]

Spot on. It's to hard to talk about anything to people who have this binary mindset

There's a lot to blame to blame our board for, a lot, but I can't bloody blame them for our inability to attack properly, pass out from the back or play decent football better than Derby after spending all this money.

 

[Rolaholic]

Yeah I really wonder why that's happening.

 

[liamp]

Who are "they ? Where was that better structure last few seasons ?

Don't know who else mentioned the club structure in that Arsenal/Emery thread but I'm definitely one of them. I didn't say anything about how he'd fare here but I certainly don't think his life would be easier here than it is there.

Here's a link to a post I made like 6 months ago talking about the same thing. It's not that the structure didn't exist, but they removed the people who used to be in those roles who were Arsene loyalists and basically hired some really experienced and well-regarded people across Europe to take over. It's starkly different to the way we did things post-SAF. It'll probably be a while before we're able to see the true impact of their hires but at least allowing Emery to act as a true head coach as opposed to a manager is beneficial enough.

 

[kouroux]

Don't know who else mentioned the club structure in that Arsenal/Emery thread but I'm definitely one of them. I didn't say anything about how he'd fare here but I certainly don't think his life would be easier here than it is there.

Here's a link to a post I made like 6 months ago talking about the same thing. It's not that the structure didn't exist, but they removed the people who used to be in those roles who were Arsene loyalists and basically hired some really experienced and well-regarded people across Europe to take over. It's starkly different to the way we did things post-SAF. It'll probably be a while before we're able to see the true impact of their hires but at least allowing Emery to act as a true head coach as opposed to a manager is beneficial enough.

So basically what they did for their structure has little to do with their current performances. Most credit goes to Emery and his coaching staff as far I'm concerned

 

[Pogue Mahone]

So basically what they did for their structure has little to do with their current performances. Most credit goes to Emery and his coaching staff as far I'm concerned

Why do we need to allocate precise amounts of credit? All we can say for sure is that Arsenal prepared very well for the transition and Emery took the reigns at a much less dysfunctional club than any of Fergie’s successors.

None of which excuses Mourinho for his role in our current SNAFU. Thought I should clarify that before the usual suspects get their knickers in a twist.

 

[Cloud7]

So basically what they did for their structure has little to do with their current performances. Most credit goes to Emery and his coaching staff as far I'm concerned

Your CEO and board coach the players and send them out to play in a particular way. Haven’t you heard?

 

[Kerry Donaghy]

It was overlooked because everyone recognize he wasn't responsible for what happened, even the media who wants any story to talk loads about knew it, that should tell you more than anything that what he did in this very specific situation was absolutely normal reactions.

When Mourinho was on fault in his previous problems here or at his previous clubs he got as much criticism as he deserves from everyone. In this particular case he wasn't, so no one is talking about it. You're trying too hard to force him in the wrong side alongside Chelsea coach despite Chelsea themselves acknowledging it was their fault only. Sarri and his club admitted it.

I don't understand what's that "embarrassing the club" thing that kept repeating on almost everything, it's like our club, players and managers, should all be Utopian ones that get punished or provoked without much reaction to appear "classy". I don't want to be "classy" when it comes to these matters. It means you're weak and have no personality not that you're "classy and respected". If a manager got provoked in the face and didn't reach much, it means he's completely a non respectable figure and everyone will have the right to shite on him every match from now on. Will you like that ? Will you think Sir Alex would have liked it ? "Embarrassing the club" is a nonsense argument. The club isn't embarrassed by what happened per se.

For the hundredth time, I'm not saying he was responsible, I'm talking about his response to it all (for which he is 100% responsible)

What if the security staff hadn't intervened?

It's pretty obvious what would have happened, he would have totally lost it.
This is my point, how can that be overlooked?
It just so happened that security got there in time, they deserve the credit for that, not Jose.
Next time? Who knows.

Then strutting about demanding respect from fans of one of our fiercest rivals.

This is what I'm saying, in this instance, is embarrassing.

To reiterate, I'm not saying this is the worst thing anyone has ever done, I'm just questioning why it's been completely overlooked.

Also, I'm not just rambling on for the sake of it, im concerned that the overlooking of it only increases the chances of of him doing something even worse next time.

 

[liamp]

So basically what they did for their structure has little to do with their current performances. Most credit goes to Emery and his coaching staff as far I'm concerned

I'm not saying that credit shouldn't go to Emery. Of course he deserves kudos for what he's done so far. I'm saying Arsenal did a better job putting Emery in a position to succeed than we've done with Moyes, LVG or Mourinho.

 

[el3mel]

For the hundredth time, I'm not saying he was responsible, I'm talking about his response to it all (for which he is 100% responsible)

What if the security staff hadn't intervened?

It's pretty obvious what would have happened, he would have totally lost it.
This is my point, how can that be overlooked?
It just so happened that security got there in time, they deserve the credit for that, not Jose.
Next time? Who knows.

Then strutting about demanding respect from fans of one of our fiercest rivals.

This is what I'm saying, in this instance, is embarrassing.

To reiterate, I'm not saying this is the worst thing anyone has ever done, I'm just questioning why it's been completely overlooked.

Also, I'm not just rambling on for the sake of it, im concerned that the overlooking of it only increases the chances of of him doing something even worse next time.

And I'm saying that his response was absolutely fine. Any big manager who got provoked by a no name would have did that. The fact that everyone is overlooking it proves my point, you're the only one in the world who sees a problem with it and that means you're the one on the wrong side. Even his haters didn't see much into what he did.

 

[kouroux]

Why do we need to allocate precise amounts of credit? All we can say for sure is that Arsenal prepared very well for the transition and Emery took the reigns at a much less dysfunctional club than any of Fergie’s successors.

None of which excuses Mourinho for his role in our current SNAFU. Thought I should clarify that before the usual suspects get their knickers in a twist.

Because there is the argument that Mourinho is put under impossible condition to get the team to play enjoyable football, never mind compete for serious trophies.

I'm not saying that credit shouldn't go to Emery. Of course he deserves kudos for what he's done so far. I'm saying Arsenal did a better job putting Emery in a position to succeed than we've done with Moyes, LVG or Mourinho.

I'd agree with the first 2 but I completely disagree with Mourinho. Jose has been given everything to succeed here, he brought his own people, got the players he wanted (first 2 seasons). Him fecking this job up is a testament that he needs a break from club football and come up with new ideas of managing

 

[Mainoldo]

Why do we need to allocate precise amounts of credit? All we can say for sure is that Arsenal prepared very well for the transition and Emery took the reigns at a much less dysfunctional club than any of Fergie’s successors.

None of which excuses Mourinho for his role in our current SNAFU. Thought I should clarify that before the usual suspects get their knickers in a twist.

How about Emery is just a good coach and David Moyes was shite. We could have got Moyes Torriera, David Luiz Jr and an average CB if he wanted too. Hell we got him Juan Mata.