@FrantikChicken brought Mourinho being a winner into it, you then claimed that hes not a winner, in fact he is a failure. The standard you used was that he won nothing last season.
"However let's not harp on about the winner bit. Right now, regardless of what he's won in the past, he's not winning. In fact many would argue he's failing."
So based on that I asked you if that meant in 2016/17, when Pep failed to win anything at all, was he too considered a failure. Of course he was not, without knowing the outcome of the 2017/18 season, Pep was a winner regardless.
There is no obsession with Jose being a winner, it is an indisputable fact. There is no argument against it. As is Pep. Even van Gaal, who has won silverware at every club hes been at is considered a winner in football. Were not talking about a decade ago, were talking about 2 years.
So before you suggest someone reads posts properly, try to focus on who it is you are having the discussion with.