If club thinks about it in financial terms than savings on player bonus from CL qualification and 10 million saved on Jose's payoff will offset a huge portion of revenues lost from not qualifying for CL. That would be the only logical reason to stick with him.
The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked
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The way I see it, there were only few of the 10 that I would truly believe was a Jose signing. The others don’t look like Jose signings but they could very well be signings for the future or signings as cover for positions that he has to play existing players in or simply Ed wanted those for marketability reasons. He hasn’t been allowed to buy all the players he wants to effectively play his system. It is Ed holding that responsibility in transfer. Jose has come out to say he is more of a coach in the set up here instead of a manager. I just don’t quite see players like lindelof and Bailly at their transfer fee level supposedly brought in to unseat our starting Manchester United defenders. Others who are competing for the title like city have mostly 50M per defender at the minimum and others even more.
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Are there any reports suggesting he is close to being sacked? Or even has '2/3 games left to save his job?
I always backed Jose, backed him after the shitshow against Sevilla, after constantly throwing everyone under the bus, even after getting trashed by Spurs as we looked like a different team compared to last game against Brighton (at least until they scored...). I thought maybe, just maybe he can turn it around. However it all went downhill from there, he fell out with pretty much everyone, lost the dressing room. There is simply no way back from here and I feel we are just wasting time with him in charge. We will clearly win nothing and risk losing our best players. Is it worth it? Why delay the inevitable? He is toxic to the club, looks like someone who is begging to be sacked and we are not getting TOP 4 with him in charge, bottom 4 is more likely anyway. Just sack him now as we have an international break coming up, caretaker manager would have a couple of weeks to do something.
At the end of the day, this happened at Chelsea.
They were 16th when he was sacked, they won the league the season before and in all honesty, they had a better team than what we currently have.
The following season Conte won the league.
What is the point of keeping Mourinho, sacrifice a style and good football for Results, I can understand but when he brings neither but toxicity and drama. How on earth can you support him?
Can't score
Can't defend
Can't create chances
Can't control games
How many games have Utd been on top this season?
Burnley and Young boys.. every other game, the other team put in a shift or were just better. Including Derby..
Just baffling, the decision to sack him to me, is more obvious than Moyes and Van Gaal. Simply because we have evidence of what happens when things go down hill under Mourinho, Multiple cases and the exact same god damn thing is happening once more.
They were 16th when he was sacked, they won the league the season before and in all honesty, they had a better team than what we currently have.
The following season Conte won the league.
What is the point of keeping Mourinho, sacrifice a style and good football for Results, I can understand but when he brings neither but toxicity and drama. How on earth can you support him?
Can't score
Can't defend
Can't create chances
Can't control games
How many games have Utd been on top this season?
Burnley and Young boys.. every other game, the other team put in a shift or were just better. Including Derby..
Just baffling, the decision to sack him to me, is more obvious than Moyes and Van Gaal. Simply because we have evidence of what happens when things go down hill under Mourinho, Multiple cases and the exact same god damn thing is happening once more.
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He will be sacked. It's a matter of time now. Fans are talking with their feet, football is dreadful, ex-legends like Rio & Scholes say the football is terrible, players have fallen out with him and we're in 10th place.
He's gone - international break I reckon.
He's gone - international break I reckon.
We also lost to WHU and Pogba was playing in that team.
Pogba also played yesterday, where we failed to score.
Fair enough, but what happens if we start flirting with relegation?
I'm not going to go into the bunker
If that happens then we're looking at a different scenario. Also, if he is sacked and a new manager appointed who makes everything great, I'll happily admit I was completely wrong.If we had lost, he would not have been sacked.
Sacking is not as easy as you may believe.
The boss has to think about the payment terms of the sacking/severance.
How would the players respond to there being no manager in charge.
Is there a replacement lined up.
If Jose left, while under the care of the caretaker manager, would the performance improve, stay the same or get worse.
etc etc.
Much like when you run a big company and you decide to sack one of the most important staff members, say the MD, this decision is not done on the whim or taken lightly. Every eventuality needs to be thought through.
If you were a fan of Mourinho before he came to United I see no reason to leave his camp now. Apart from the underwhelming results he's not doing anything he hasn't done everywhere else. As long as the results are good he's charming, but once the results are poor he's a smug and whiny cnut.
The only new thing is not actually winning major trophies.
that being said, I've always found Mourinho to be an insufferable cnut.
The only new thing is not actually winning major trophies.
that being said, I've always found Mourinho to be an insufferable cnut.
I'm afraid I can no longer support him, I just can't take the football anymore, it's agonizing. I thought he would be the right fit and we would become a ruthless machine like his first Chelsea team but it has just gone horribly wrong. I don't blame him completely because the players have not enthralled me either, and, as for the board, I still pray that a barking mad United supporting oligarch will come along and make them an offer they can't refuse, kicking Ed's little ass out the door without touching the frame.
I also hate the way this pollution has affected the Caff.The place is split and both sides hurl abuse at each other on a daily basis. Some of it is funny, cathartic, and born out of frustration but I also think there are some who relish it and embrace the chaos. Some posts have been bizarre to say the least, from both sides.
I know we are going into a rinse and repeat cycle, again, and I really don't know who can take the job on successfully with the Board we have. If he fails, we are doomed.
I want it to be us against the world again.
I also hate the way this pollution has affected the Caff.The place is split and both sides hurl abuse at each other on a daily basis. Some of it is funny, cathartic, and born out of frustration but I also think there are some who relish it and embrace the chaos. Some posts have been bizarre to say the least, from both sides.
I know we are going into a rinse and repeat cycle, again, and I really don't know who can take the job on successfully with the Board we have. If he fails, we are doomed.
I want it to be us against the world again.
It's always someone else's fault...
Seeing twitter talk of the US national team being interested. That's probably his level now.
United have become a comedy club for opposition fans. Every headline is negative. The environment around every part of the club has become toxic. Woodward needs to lose himself in the background and Mourinho can relax with his family and Millions in compensation.
You got a points total last season that if I've read the stats correctly, was more than the points you achieved in winning the league in 4 of your last 13 winning campaigns and within just 2 or 3 points of several other of your winning campaigns.
Perhaps the manager & players didn't get as much credit as they should for that which probably doesn't help, but regardless, how much of this is down to the manager & players looking at the points gap they have to bridge to win the league (not that 100 pts will be necessary again in a hurry), looking at who's been bought in the summer and seeing an impossible task ? Made worse by liverpool looking like more of a potential threat this season and chelsea improving hugely.
Whether it's for those reasons or others, this does seem to be largely a mental issue because regardless of what shortcomings you see in the make up of the squad, how much the players are suited to the manager's style, whether he's been backed and where you think you need to add, your group of players should be playing far better and achieving far better results - the idea that a top class manager can't get a decent team out around de gea, pogba, lukaku, fred & sanchez seems strange. But whether the underperformance this year is down to manager or players, once it gets to this stage, it's always going to be the manager that goes.
I don't get this idea that he might turn it around. Turn it around to what ? Not a title challenging season. What use is a manager that can't kick on from a season like last season, regardless of who's fault it is, to a club like United ? Say he turns it around and you just about get a CL spot - what then ? There are a number of potential reasons he hasn't been sacked already but from a united fan perspective, surely none of them are good ones ?
Perhaps the manager & players didn't get as much credit as they should for that which probably doesn't help, but regardless, how much of this is down to the manager & players looking at the points gap they have to bridge to win the league (not that 100 pts will be necessary again in a hurry), looking at who's been bought in the summer and seeing an impossible task ? Made worse by liverpool looking like more of a potential threat this season and chelsea improving hugely.
Whether it's for those reasons or others, this does seem to be largely a mental issue because regardless of what shortcomings you see in the make up of the squad, how much the players are suited to the manager's style, whether he's been backed and where you think you need to add, your group of players should be playing far better and achieving far better results - the idea that a top class manager can't get a decent team out around de gea, pogba, lukaku, fred & sanchez seems strange. But whether the underperformance this year is down to manager or players, once it gets to this stage, it's always going to be the manager that goes.
I don't get this idea that he might turn it around. Turn it around to what ? Not a title challenging season. What use is a manager that can't kick on from a season like last season, regardless of who's fault it is, to a club like United ? Say he turns it around and you just about get a CL spot - what then ? There are a number of potential reasons he hasn't been sacked already but from a united fan perspective, surely none of them are good ones ?
Your bolded point is the only one that actually applies to Mourinho the manager, though, the others you could use as examples for any manager anywhere at any club, and are therefore fairly pointless.
Plus, it makes no sense. He has never, ever, ever shown any signs he can "mend" anything once things start going downhill for him. I'll ask you basically the same question you ignored from me before...
Exactly what the actual feck has Mourinho done throughout the last two decades that can possibly make you think he will mend anything or turn things around in his third season here?
I appreciate it's a tough one, and throwing around 'Jose out' doesn't answer the question of where we go once he's gone. Personally, if the reports that Zidane has been contacted and is prepared to take charge hold water, I'd give him the job. There are legitimate concerns over his appointment but I'd hate to miss out on another potentially great young manager while we arse around with has-beens and never-weres.
I don't see Carrick and/or McKenna being ready to manage so I would turn to them only as a strict caretaker option as you suggest; looking to mentally unshackle the players, work on some attacking stuff and hope the feelgood bounce got us somewhere half-decent this year. Otherwise I'd turn to a Hiddink-style interim. Neither of those options particularly excites me, as we'd be back pretty much at square one in the summer, but I also firmly believe you should never persevere with something that isn't working.
The point is that there are no easy answers and no ideal options, but the basic principle of stopping the rot as soon as possible before starting to build afresh means Jose needs to go.
Why?
Mourinho in the past basically guaranteed a title in his first two seasons. Why wouldn't we be fans of that given the previous four seasons? I think most of us knew that his third season was a big issue given his past right from the off so why would we back him when what we all feared did come to fruition?
Can you prove that?
What makes you so smart that you can buck the common consensus? We're the only fanbase that contains anyone that still thinks he's a top manager in 2018. There's absolutely no way any top team is going to appoint him after this.
That's not being a top manager. A lot of players that are struggling to demonstrate character or quality are HIS players.
I admit I don't post that much in the United forum, but I see a lot of outrage about Mourinho's behaviour as of late. His Ambiguous digs at his players, his strenuous relationship with the media, is extremely dour demeanor etc. None of these things are new or exclusive to Mourinho at United. Same goes for the complaints about his uninteresting style of play. Mourinho has always been slagged for making his teams play boring football if at all neccesary.
The lack of trophies is obviously a valid concern, but as far as I'm concerned, the rest shouldn't put a Mou fan of Mou. He's a cnut, always has been, it's a big part of his (formerly) winning formula.
Paraphrasing Chief Brody in Jaws, if anyone is still 'Mourinho In' they are certifiable.
God forbid there's a safe space in the United forum for us few delusional idiots who think Mourinho can turn this around.
That said, I'm on the ledge. But you won't see me in this thread once I've switched to Mourinho out
That said, I'm on the ledge. But you won't see me in this thread once I've switched to Mourinho out
The board find themselves in an impossibly difficult place. They have just extended his contract and any pay off would be huge. (£15-20m) Maybe more, I don't know what his terms are but I thought he earned £15m a year and had 4 more years to run. However big the severance the board will look complete and utter twats if they sack him. They may well still think he can turn it around. That kind of pressure can make you think all sorts of things.
The narrative amongst the fans at Chelsea in 2015 was a bit more split than it appears to be on here at the moment. He was still to get sacked and had a bit more currency at the time so it's understandable. Some fans, myself included, stuck by him until the end in December. The thinking was that he was the best manager in the world and that the players should be doing what he said. Simple. With so many good players in the squad and the best manager in the world it should work perfectly. The players were getting some real stick and Jose's name was being sung around the stadium at full volume. It got to the point where I thought OK, lets get rid of a few players so they knew who was boss. Let them rot in the reserves. Fabregas, Ivanovic and few others were playing absolute sh*te and it looked like they were to blame. Hazard even seemed to have picked up a phantom injury.
Hindsight and a lot of soul searching have, however, lead me to see a different past. Good players don't become bad players over a closed season. From the outside it looks like players have downed tools but if you are unsure of what the manager really wants you tend to err on the side of caution. You also tend to be indecisive at crucial times. The passes tend to go astray and if the managers default setting is defend you can easily end up passing it around at the back without a clue of how to get forward. The opposition smell blood and go for you. The whole mentality goes and before you know it certain players don't even want to be in the team.
Utd are currently 2 points better off than Chelsea were after 7 games in 2015 and Chelsea went on to lose 2 of their next 3 games. Despite this they still stuck with him until 17th December. I know Utd fans don't like to use Chelsea as a yard stick but showing loyalty to Jose cost them a place in the champions league that season and Utd's board probably think they will need to act before that happens. To me it's obvious he's done but I fully understand why some fans would want to stick with him.
The narrative amongst the fans at Chelsea in 2015 was a bit more split than it appears to be on here at the moment. He was still to get sacked and had a bit more currency at the time so it's understandable. Some fans, myself included, stuck by him until the end in December. The thinking was that he was the best manager in the world and that the players should be doing what he said. Simple. With so many good players in the squad and the best manager in the world it should work perfectly. The players were getting some real stick and Jose's name was being sung around the stadium at full volume. It got to the point where I thought OK, lets get rid of a few players so they knew who was boss. Let them rot in the reserves. Fabregas, Ivanovic and few others were playing absolute sh*te and it looked like they were to blame. Hazard even seemed to have picked up a phantom injury.
Hindsight and a lot of soul searching have, however, lead me to see a different past. Good players don't become bad players over a closed season. From the outside it looks like players have downed tools but if you are unsure of what the manager really wants you tend to err on the side of caution. You also tend to be indecisive at crucial times. The passes tend to go astray and if the managers default setting is defend you can easily end up passing it around at the back without a clue of how to get forward. The opposition smell blood and go for you. The whole mentality goes and before you know it certain players don't even want to be in the team.
Utd are currently 2 points better off than Chelsea were after 7 games in 2015 and Chelsea went on to lose 2 of their next 3 games. Despite this they still stuck with him until 17th December. I know Utd fans don't like to use Chelsea as a yard stick but showing loyalty to Jose cost them a place in the champions league that season and Utd's board probably think they will need to act before that happens. To me it's obvious he's done but I fully understand why some fans would want to stick with him.
I don't think he's finished as a coach. Sure his tactics and general style of play aren't the most exciting or best to watch, but it's possible to win football matches, and silverware playing that way. The thing I think that's outdated about him is his man-management style. He slaughters players in the hope of getting a response, and doesn't adapt that to work with players that need a softer touch - he himself has admitted that.
You're also a darn sight more successful.
(Apologies for the cheap shot in the previous post)
No idea how people can't see this. At the end of the day, footballers may be multi millionaires but they're still human. If the management team are grossly incompetent and constantly falling out with employees - in any walk of life, football included - morale will be low and the employees certainly won't give their all. This is just basic logic and I've come across it a-lot in my own office during the years when certain things were going on. But nah, people on here will label it all 'ABU media' fabrications. Don't get me wrong, the media are milking this and making shit up, but I'm also confident plenty is true. If anyone believes we don't have a divisive camp, they're utterly delusional.
I agree with you Jose - you should resign in protest!
Upcoming international break is when Ed must act but he won’t.
Fergie beats him hands down, and that's just as relevant as what you're saying.
Football has moved on.
I don't see how that's relevant to empty seats effecting us more than it would City?
What? Intelligence aside (found on every side of this topic) it's having your own opinion. I think I'll try a day of asking people what makes them so smart that they can buck the common consensus. Maybe I'll try it out at a protest
Good post. Always appreciate detailed opinions from fans of other clubs. You may well be right in that it's reached a breaking point. Like I said, I rather expect the club to sack him in the next few weeks than sticking by him. Maybe I'm in the same exact place you were, I'm not thinking he's the best manager in the world or that he can do no wrong, but overall I'm still backing him. Time will tell...
What? Intelligence aside (found on every side of this topic) it's having your own opinion. I think I'll try a day of asking people what makes them so smart that they can buck the common consensus. Maybe I'll try it out at a protest
Good post. Always appreciate detailed opinions from fans of other clubs. You may well be right in that it's reached a breaking point. Like I said, I rather expect the club to sack him in the next few weeks than sticking by him. Maybe I'm in the same exact place you were, I'm not thinking he's the best manager in the world or that he can do no wrong, but overall I'm still backing him. Time will tell...
I don't actually mean you're stupid or something. I'm asking what information you have or what is it you're seeing that the rest of us don't.The "no" vote has increased in the last hour. Someone is trolling.
He's done, son. Come to the light.
I'm not going to go into the bunker
No, its fine. I didn't mean to attack you. Its just that we've seen this story before. Chelsea tried the wait-and-see game with him and he got them flirting relegation. They waited too long to sack him and the season was a write-off. Our situation right now practically mirrors theirs back then. I think most people want to prevent the season from descending into a downward spiral, when its so blatantly obvious that all the signs are there.
I know I know
I just thought it was a hilarious phraseI'm not privy to any information that illuminates my mind on this matter. I can't give you or @Massive Spanner a scientifically sound theory on how things will pan out with Mourinho on board. I guess this all comes down to a general feel.
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