Weren't a lot of people saying the same about SAF 3 years into his 6 year period before he won anything?
@Ban said what I was gonna say above re CB's. You don't halfway support the manager. Either you do it all the way or sack him.Mourinho signed two of those CBS. So why is he blameless in your eyes?
I remember when Stam left and our defence was a mess. Fergie decided attack was our best defence, we didn’t win anything that year but that was some of the best football we played under Fergie. Klopp and Pep had shit defences yet sorted it out with their signings. Yet when they did have terrible defences they didn’t resort to defensive football. Mourinho isn’t bold enough to do that.
Yep.
It took 4 years to win his first trophy (an FA Cup) which bought him time...and 7 years to win the league
The Six seasons before the title triumph in 1993:
11th
2nd
11th
13th
6th
2nd
This comparison needs to stop. Not only is it ridiculous (because not every manager doesn’t start well then go on to greatness) but there’s real tangible reasons why SAF kept his job.
People forget the culture of our club at that time. The issues he had to deal with. How he revolutionised our operating model. How he change dour youth set up. That’s why he kept his job, not a blind belief that he would eventually turn into the best manager of all time.
If that's the case and it's not these three games, then why didn't they sack him before the season started? Why wait until 3 games into the season?I don't view it as only 3 games and I certainly wouldn't sack him based on those 3 games alone obviously. It's much more than that to me: it's the poor track record regarding signings and the ineptitude to make any of those signings better. It's the bad man management including publicly trashing players and constantly switching up the lineup. It's the dross football and players not being arsed every other week (yes, that's partly on the manager too). It's the constant drama including undermining the board and players alike. Bottom-line it's the fact that he's made this great club a clown show and a laughing stock in many different ways.
I realize he's not going to get the sack today, that's not how United operate and in a way I'm glad that's the case. But really, I don't see how things can improve. Mourinhos track record suggests it's only going to get worse from here.
Woodward should get the sack too but that's a different discussion. He generates too much money for the Glazers to get rid, and bringing in a DoF next to him would solve a lot of issues. Shambolic that is hasn't happened yet, really.
Pep and Klopp made bad signings as well but found what they looked for. Jose didn't get what he wants this summer. Also I think we didn't play defensively Yesterday. It seems tho we can't find the right balance.
Tell that to these fair weather fans these days.There is a massive media and whatever United attack aiming to make us fell down after all those years and I cannot believe even here there are supporters .
Just go to the stadium and show support and things will happen .
Miracles can happen to players and managers when they know fans are behind and vice versa , of course .
Be different , support , do not hate .
Not signing a CB doesn't excuse the fact that we have spent close to 400 million pounds and still don't have a clear identity or style of play. Doesn't explain why we can't attack with fluidity. And isn't the reason we are in this predicament. We don't score enough goals.And we have made progress through those 2 years. Then someone decided our CB's are good enough, and now we're seeing they're garbage.
Did you even watch the first half? We dominated them and the players put in more effort than they have in a while. How does that indicate he lost the dressing room?I am absolutely livid right now. Going to wait to calm down before I make a call on this. Looks like he’s lost the dressing room.....
Just to add another perspective - During the 92-93 Premiership under Ferguson, right at the start we lost to Sheffield Wednesday 1-2 and then lost again to Everton 0-3. The next game we drew 1-1 to Ipswich Town. Should we have sacked Ferguson then? Bear in mind, we won that season in the end.
There's a lot of work to be done, for sure but calling for the head of the manager after 3 games is premature. The recent results are bad but not insurmountable. We, as supporters, have a role to play as well. We need to back the club, especially now. Give them the support to get over this bump on the road, the players, the club need the head-space to get out of this hole. Adding more pressure and chaos is not going to help.
We are in a better position than United were during the start 92-93. They only had 1 single point from the first 3 games and they managed to go on from there and achieve their goals. Maybe that should be something we should aspire to than throwing in the towel quickly. We cannot criticise the players for dropping their shoulders when we, as fans, do that all the time.
We bought Lindlelof for the future, and Leicester weren't selling Maguire last year. Look at the fiasco around Mahrez trying to get out.
Sanchez was bought to stop City from getting him. Don't you remember the last minute hijacking of that bid?
Knock yourselves out. He's definitely leaving this season, one way or the other. He's been finished for a long time now.
And we have made progress through those 2 years. Then someone decided our CB's are good enough, and now we're seeing they're garbage.
Yeah, no way we can get rid of them and they are getting more and more.Tell that to these fair weather fans these days.
Anyone backing him needs to ask themselves what they are expecting in terms of results this year. Short of finishing 2nd we would effectively have gone backwards this year at which point Jose would probably be let go anyway.
So our GK is responsible for our improvent? Okyou mean the CB's that Mourinho bought, a season ago?
this supposed progress we made is looking shaky to me. We stumbled our way to second, greatly due to our GK having a freakishly good season. We were never convincing. Again, 3rd year and still lacking basic competence, I mean, look at the way we play both attacking and defensively.
This supposed progress hill that people are willing to die on, really ain't it.
Hopefully at least some of them will follow Martial and Pogba when they leave.Yeah, no way we can get rid of them and they are getting more and more.
The problem is, this seems to have all resulted from Woodward not backing up our manager. Our team has drastically improved with Mourinho. We went from average of 6th place to 2nd under him while winning a few trophies in the process of doing so. For some reason, Woodward didn't back him up in the transfer window. You can't do well when your management is disjointed.End is near guys. Regardless of all the soap opera stuff at the club with Woodward, Mourinho and Pogba, it's a results business. So far the results have not been good enough. If we were to lose the next couple of games he will be gone for sure.
Our way of playing isn't why he will get sacked, if he does. It will be based on results.Not signing a CB doesn't excuse the fact that we have spent close to 400 million pounds and still don't have a clear identity or style of play. Doesn't explain why we can't attack with fluidity. And isn't the reason we are in this predicament. We don't score enough goals.
So our GK is responsible for our improvent? Ok
Cause he was clueless how to set up the team. 6 players who started had their first start of the season, and were either coming from injury or didn't have a preseason. Herrera was playing as CB despite that he has never done it on his life, and I am pretty sure that the only reason to do so was to point to Ed 'hey, look, I asked for CBs and I don't have any' despite that one of the CBs he signed was in the bench and the other was out of the entire team. Both fully fit, both had the entire pre-season. In-existent tactics like always, clear favoritism (when Sanchez and Pogba are shit, no worried, when Martial and Pereira are shit for half a match, drop them entirely from the team).I want him gone but today was not at all on him. Players let him down.
Our results are a consequence of the way we play.Our way of playing isn't why he will get sacked, if he does. It will be based on results.
This is what Mourinho brings to every club he has been with. I could see it from the start, throwing youngsters under the bus, unrest in the dressing room, and fighting with the board. He really still believes that he is the " Special One" but his football is outdated and most clubs have moved on, while we have regressed.
I'm sure we aren't getting into this again. Of course we give away more shots, because we sit back a lot of the time and play in our own half. You seriously think that only Ddg is reaponsible for our improvement? Buying Matic and Lukaku had nothing to do with it?What was then? According to stats we give away more shots than out of the big six. We were 14th in terms of shots against last season. That’s not good defending.
I'm sure we aren't getting into this again. Of course we give away more shots, because we sit back a lot of the time and play in our own half. You seriously think that only Ddg is reaponsible for our improvement. Buying Matic and Lukaku had nothing to do with it?
Cause he was clueless how to set up the team. 6 players who started had their first start of the season, and were either coming from injury or didn't have a preseason. Herrera was playing as CB despite that he has never done it on his life, and I am pretty sure that the only reason to do so was to point to Ed 'hey, look, I asked for CBs and I don't have any' despite that one of the CBs he signed was in the bench and the other was out of the entire team. Both fully fit, both had the entire pre-season. In-existent tactics like always, clear favoritism (when Sanchez and Pogba are shit, no worried, when Martial and Pereira are shit for half a match, drop them entirely from the team).
He is more clueless than Moyes ever was. A great manager...like Van Gaal before him. Like Van Gaal his time at United - and likely at top football - has come to an ending, and the sooner Ed acts, the lesser the misery will be.
Charlatan Ed should the first one out of the door.
If getting from 6th to 2nd is the result than surely we did something right. Or was it all because of De Gea? Right.Our results are a consequence of the way we play.
I thought Carragher made some good points last night. Mourinho is a manager for right now, and right now he's doing shite, and on top of that, he's never shown he can weather the storm at a club and come out the other side. Those are the main reasons I want him gone, because I really don't think he has it in him to turn it around and build us a great side.
