The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked

Is Mourinho’s time as United manager up?

  • Yes

    Votes: 2,296 77.1%
  • No

    Votes: 293 9.8%
  • Not yet - needs more time to see if he can turn it around

    Votes: 388 13.0%

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Now I really am going to say I told you so :lol:



As somebody that didn't really pay attention to Zidane at Real Madrid; is it true that he's defensive and boring too?

His job at Madrid was to add some balance to a team with attackers who won't and can't track back and he did that very well with casemiro and an organized defense around Ramos and Varane.

I think he's a practical manager but nowhere near being afraid of mid table teams like Jose.
 
As a lifelong Wenger fan its great to see these Mourinho meltdowns. All the digs hes taken at Wenger but you would never see Wenger behaving with the absolute lack of class you see from Mourinho, nor would you see Wenger lose the dressing room and collapse like that.

Mourinho in because hes going to be a key factor in Arsenal making 4th place.
Ah, the coveted 4th place trophy, still the target for Arsenal Football Club in the Unai Emery era.
 
I do think it's for the better for all 4 parties if Mourinho is moved on now.
Mourinho because I no longer think he'll get the backing from the club or the players we currently have.
The players because most of them seem to want to get rid of him.
The fans because most of us want to move on to a different style, both on and off the pitch.
The club because of how we're performing.

The question then becomes who could possibly take over and be a genuine quality manager for United?
I don't really think there is such a thing as a perfect fit out there, so a system to help us as a club move in a direction together would be the best, whether that comes from Woodward starting to see things through the eyes of the football world instead of the business world, we get a director of football or we get a group of football people to help set the long-term course for the club. I'm all for the tradition we've had of giving the manager the reigns to rule the club as he wants, but right now that tradition seems to be holding us back. If someone proves themselves to be a long-term leader and quality manager and cares about the longivety of the squad and clubs reputation then by all means I'll hope for them to get full control like managers in the past have largely had, but just for now, because it's so hard to see us get a manager who will fix our situation single-handedly, I'd like to see multiple football people involved to plan ahead, in case the next manager fails I'd like for that failure to at least amount to some sort of progress towards a goal. Whether it's squad-rebuilding towards a certain style or getting closer to implement a style more successfully.

I think the name I've read that makes me most optimistic of the managers out there, who are gettable, is Zidane.
I believe he's achieved a lot as a player & in his short managerial career to command respect out of any player joining the club. But whether going for him is smart or not depends on what direction the club wants to go into.

To me, despite supporting Mourinho and hoping that he'd be a success here and thinking that a good amount of this seasons failures comes down to us not backing him in the summer, I can't see him continuing as things are anyome. There is no gain in it if the squad is devided on their support to him, the board won't back him more and the fans have for the most part turned, all while results are far from acceptable.
I think he has done a decent job at getting some quality acquisitions to the squad, like Pogba, Zlatan, Lukaku, Bailly, Dalot, Fred & Matic.
It also helps my view of him that he seemingly has helped in the process of making Shaw someone we can hope ends up as a top left-back in the future instead of another "what could have been". And on top of that he has helped us get rid of a lot of players who were not of the standards needed at any top club.

I think keeping him on would be a continuation of improving the squad, but it would be a big negative for all the aforementioned parties at the club, and we ultimately need better than that.
 
Watching the Chelsea/Liverpool game just makes it even worse. Two teams playing proper attacking football getting the best out of their players. We’re so far away from them.
 
Had no idea why he was Scott playing in defence
Had no idea why he kept Matic and Lukaku on
Had no idea why he pulled Pogba and Martial when the replacements Mata and Fred were hiding from the field.

Long story shot - dressing room lost. Sack him and take the next 2 weeks of international break for the new manager to come in and make changes.

yes please!
 
There were 99% of Jose out tweets to United's twitter account when I checked some hours before. Don't know if it's changed but fans are saying they are tired of the excuses etc. One more bad result and there will probably be a riot.
Tuesday night will be 'eritage' night
 
His job at Madrid was to add some balance to a team with attackers who won't and can't track back and he did that very well with casemiro and an organized defense around Ramos and Varane.

I think he's a practical manager but nowhere near beibg afraid of mid table teams like Jose.

Purely based on Caf commentary, there were a number of CL games where Madrid apparently were outplayed but still won. Is that true?
 
I've changed my vote from a 'needs more time' to 'his time is up' after today. No way should we have lost to and been outplayed by West Ham. So many things are stacking up against him now.

However, I'm still not convinced that sacking him will solve the problems. Half of that squad are simply not good enough and when you mix that with their poor intelligence, it doesn't look good.

And then, who do we appoint?
 
We're now 10th, and if Palace win on monday, they'll pass us on goal difference.
This has to be a low point in my life as a United supporter...
 
Purely based on Caf commentary, there were a number of CL games where Madrid apparently were outplayed but still won. Is that true?

They did play some quality teams and the only occassion I remember them not being the better team was vs atletico. They had a fantastic character of being able to fight back when they were on the ropes. That goes to some extent to leadership of players like Ramos, Modric and Ronaldo but Zidane always looked in control.
 
We're now 10th, and if Palace win on monday, they'll pass us on goal difference.
This has to be a low point in my life as a United supporter...

Surely getting drubbed by Liverpool under Moyes, or Van Gaal's fewest ever goals in one season were worse?
 
We're now 10th, and if Palace win on monday, they'll pass us on goal difference.
This has to be a low point in my life as a United supporter...

Have accepted we will have a Chelsea like season from 15/16. Definite low point unless you saw us in the 80s.
 
But then we have a complete numpty in charge of the decision making (Woodward) who only sees that as long as the club is making money, it doesn't matter who the manager is. Anyone with half a brain can see what needs to be done and that right now, we actually have a chance to save the season.
 
Hes done, fans have turned on him and I believe we'll start seeing that at OT soon. I believe its now a matter of when not if, pretty confident saying he wont be our manager next season for sure.
Season, FFS?, I was thinking next week :(
 
They did play some quality teams and the only occassion I remember them not being the better team was vs atletico. They had a fantastic character of being able to fight back when they were on the ropes. That goes to some extent to leadership of players like Ramos, Modric and Ronaldo but Zidane always looked in control.

That's good to hear, cheers
 
Feels more like Leeds and we are going that way until we sack this prick!

Was gonna say that but, didn't wanna be over dramatic...

It's extremely unlikely but, looking at how this club is run, it raises the question.

As I said, it goes way beyond the manager but, he's not helping the situation so best we part ways.

Shame... Really wanted it to work. I hold no grudges against him. He tried, he got some sort of success but, it's not to be
 
Surely that would be viewed as constructive dismissal by the courts.
No that's perfectly fine so long as it is mutually agreed. It would normally include a gagging clause for the duration.

If he wants to disappear into obscurity he sits at home and takes his pay.

As soon as someone else hires him the pay stops, but the gagging clause can stay in effect for a reasonable duration beyond that.
 
It's time.

Even if he is the best manager out there, and even if he is great tactically, and even if he has the best CV for the job (all of that is debatable), it's going to be near impossible now to stop the negative momentum and steer us back in a positive direction.

I expect the next few weeks to be awful, on the pitch and off it. The more bad games we have, the more there will be doubts and murmurs in the dressing room.

I wasn't his biggest fan but after the EL win, I started to believe that things can start improving and that he was on to something. I think he stopped believing that we can catch City and that has deflated him and brought out all his negativity, especially when we weren't able to flex our financial muscles the way he would've liked in the summer.

I'm dreading the cycle of another manager, another set of transfers, and another system/tactics to learn and adapt to. There is no magic pill.
 
I don't think it's that bad, this squad finished second last season, and I doubt they'll do worse than the 7th under Moyes.

That Chelsea team finished Champions the prior season, Also that Moyes squad were Champions prior as well! It is that bad, we need to stop glorifying that 2nd finish, it was great we finished comfortable for a CL spot but that was about it. All other teams have improved while we have regressed.

Not sure if it is worse than Moyes but I wouldn't bank on us finishing 6th at this rate.

Well Chelsea's squad finished 1st the season before their meltdown, and they ended up 16th before Mourinho was sacked. Ended up finishing 10th I think?

Yep. Currently this team has a feeling of heading in only one direction.
 
Well Chelsea's squad finished 1st the season before their meltdown, and they ended up 16th before Mourinho was sacked. Ended up finishing 10th I think?

That Chelsea team finished Champions the prior season, Also that Moyes squad were Champions prior as well! It is that bad, we need to stop glorifying that 2nd finish, it was great we finished comfortable for a CL spot but that was about it. All other teams have improved while we have regressed.

Not sure if it is worse than Moyes but I wouldn't bank on us finishing 6th at this rate.



Yep. Currently this team has a feeling of heading in only one direction.

I wonder how far the board would let it go before sacking him.
 
Can't see us getting top four now. Spurs and Arsenal are in better shape mentally. We can't rely on Arsenal as they've appointed a good coach and are on the up.

A fighting Jose, yes I could see a top four finish but again today he's putting his ego before the club. Players low morale and Jose making a point to the board, we won't finish top four.

The money lost in PL placing and not qualifying for the CL is more than Jose's payoff but could be tricky for a new coach whoever it is. Still would rather cut our losses, the smell will probably only get worse.
 
That Chelsea team finished Champions the prior season, Also that Moyes squad were Champions prior as well! It is that bad, we need to stop glorifying that 2nd finish, it was great we finished comfortable for a CL spot but that was about it. All other teams have improved while we have regressed.

Not sure if it is worse than Moyes but I wouldn't bank on us finishing 6th at this rate.



Yep. Currently this team has a feeling of heading in only one direction.

Hopefully our board will learn from Chelsea's experience and act before it gets that bad. Then again Chelsea of all clubs actually waited till they were 16th before sacking him.
 
The biggest sign to me it's time for a change was we were losing and playing horribly, and it didn't actually hurt as much as the Brighton/Tottenham defeats. It just felt normal.

That is always a bad time.
 
Hopefully our board will learn from Chelsea's experience and act before it gets that bad. Then again Chelsea of all clubs actually waited till they were 16th before sacking him.

Yep, people forget that the Chelsea season of doom was a million times worse than this, they were losing every other game, it was incredible.

The parallels between his demeanour now, and then though are very worrying!
 
I'm dreading the cycle of another manager, another set of transfers, and another system/tactics to learn and adapt to. There is no magic pill.

Not true. By hiring the right manager, we can steady this situation within a month. Look at Sarri, he's got Chelsea ticking in a matter of weeks.

The biggest sign to me it's time for a change was we were losing and playing horribly, and it didn't actually hurt as much as the Brighton/Tottenham defeats. It just felt normal.

That is always a bad time.

Same here. Once, I never felt like watching other games after a United loss as I'd be put off by football in general. Now I'm so accustomed to us playing badly, I take it in my stride and am watching other games now.
 
Hopefully our board will learn from Chelsea's experience and act before it gets that bad. Then again Chelsea of all clubs actually waited till they were 16th before sacking him.

The key difference being that they had won the title the season before. That was the only reason they held on, as even a club as classless as Chelsea couldn't do it earlier.
 
Have accepted we will have a Chelsea like season from 15/16. Definite low point unless you saw us in the 80s.

Born in 80, so don't remember much, but used to watch what i could :p
Didn't affect me as much, though. Now i'm getting really annoyed and frustrated.
 
Normally i would be willing to give a manager time and not react to soon based on a few results. The problem is that its not just the results at fault, the players for some time haven't seem bothered and the overall mood around the team seems the worst i've seen it since the Moyes era. The way we play is terrible if you consider we are a top 4 contender, every team around us play far more entertaining football even teams lower down the table than us are more fun to watch at the moment. There is the dilemma of what do we do with Pogba, once Mourinho falls out with a player there is often no way back which further adds to the poor team morale. All of these problems wont get better, when things are good under Mourinho he will win things as we saw early on in his tenure but when they go bad they get worse very fast. The only way we will keep him is because of the financial cost of sacking him, which is ironic when considering the amount of money wasted under him over the last 3 summers.
 
I’ve defended Mou to the hilt. But today really was all down to him. Shocking setup and selection. Played a slow midfield and a young average midfielder in defence to prove a point about how poor our squad is. He doesn’t have a notion of who his favorable XI is, playing to the opposing teams potential line-up.

He’s lost the players. It’s a real shame player power looks like it will prevail, but at this rate it is easier to let Jose go and allow a boost in the short term, hopefully the shithouse that is the board changes their tune and supports the new manager coming in. It’s a crucial time for them.

Players have a hell of a lot to answer for. Change has to come from the top and right through the team if Jose goes.
 
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