Yeah I don't think we'll get relegated either way, but it's far from guaranteed we'll finish outside the top 4. It's been three games! There's also three cups we're in. The risk is that won't play better, or even worse during a phase where our new coach needs to figure out who's who in our squad.
The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked
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Yeah I don't think we'll get relegated either way, but it's far from guaranteed we'll finish outside the top 4. It's been three games! There's also three cups we're in. The risk is that won't play better, or even worse during a phase where our new coach needs to figure out who's who in our squad.
Correct. F him. As quickly as possible.
The sooner he is gone the better.
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I half think the press conference thing could be him deflecting the result and getting the focus onto himself, which of course he likes anyway. He's not an idiot and is very clever in that way.
I like mourinho but I can't help feel he has lost the dressing room a bit not to mention Woodward.
Mourinho has been quite open about the defence, surely this can't be good for their confidence. Especially considering our defence wasn't that bad last year.
Midfield - I have no idea what is going on with pogba. He is supposed to be one of our talisman. Having constant rumours surround his relationship with mourinho can't be good.
Attackers. Well Sanchez has his own problems on the pitch it seems. But one of our most exciting and expensive signings recently has been zoned out for a couple of seasons now.
If it means bringing in another manager who can install the trust again then so be it. I actually think zidane or dechamps could do great here.
Mourinho has been quite open about the defence, surely this can't be good for their confidence. Especially considering our defence wasn't that bad last year.
Midfield - I have no idea what is going on with pogba. He is supposed to be one of our talisman. Having constant rumours surround his relationship with mourinho can't be good.
Attackers. Well Sanchez has his own problems on the pitch it seems. But one of our most exciting and expensive signings recently has been zoned out for a couple of seasons now.
If it means bringing in another manager who can install the trust again then so be it. I actually think zidane or dechamps could do great here.
Yank ? And how does me not knowing the nickname of an ex Real player lead you to believe i only started watching football 3 years ago ?
I don't follow Real Madrid pal, I'm a United fan.
I don't see it like that. His last season with the chavs was far worse. Players downed tools, there was a public pissing match with the club doc, to name but two. The press have been publishing negative stories about him and the club like there's no tomorrow and have pushed the Pogba to Barca story for all it's worth. Sanchez, a commercial buy if ever there was, comes in and gets top billing. I'm sure that did a lot for dressing room morale among the other highly-paid players.
I don't see that as a risk. The new manager needs time to identify who he wants in his squad. This season is a write off from now on, the way other teams are playing and looking at our morale, we are not making Top 4. A new manager handling a squad for this season will have more understanding and less pressure, than him taking over a squad next summer, considering his options over three months and panic buying at the end of the window.
It doesn't come from Real Madrid, it's his nickname in France since Cannes.
Well there'll never be risks if you're adamant about what will or won't happen. Saying we won't get top 4 after 3 games is a pretty bold statement.
It's Woodward's time to go out of the picture and the same thing for a few of our directors which have no idea about football. Sometimes, from the outside it looks like our club is run by amateurs.
Really the central plank of your defence here should be that, inherited family allegiances aside, nobody who started watching football three years ago would support United.
Martial didn’t play mate.
Can't do it. Can't fire him after 3 matches. If he's fired tomorrow, United are fecked for this season. If they wait, still fecked for this session. He's no angel, he's responsible as he's the manager.
But there are so many other problems other than just him. I've always been one to put more on players than managers. Just tonight alone, Rom's miss was pathetic, that's not on Jose. The defense last week, Phil Jones getting beat in the most simplistic manner. Managers aren't out there, get rid of Jose, those mistakes from them will still be there.
But there are so many other problems other than just him. I've always been one to put more on players than managers. Just tonight alone, Rom's miss was pathetic, that's not on Jose. The defense last week, Phil Jones getting beat in the most simplistic manner. Managers aren't out there, get rid of Jose, those mistakes from them will still be there.
At this point, saying we will get Top 4 is rather a bold statement than saying we will not get Top 4. Supposing even if Mourinho takes us to Top 4, what then, do we keep him on for next season. He is gone for sure. Its a matter of when rather if. The sooner he goes, the more time for the new manager to assess the squad and keep the players he likes and hopefully gets to spend in the winter transfer window. But knowing our inept board, we sure are going to wait till we are mathematically out of Top 4, so we can sack Jose without compensation and then get a new manager next summer.
I'm actually weirdly more sympathetic towards Mourinho this evening.
Unusually, I liked how we played for the whole game right up until we started conceding. Conceding that goal was mostly down to individual error, as were last week's goals.
Which you might say is ultimately the manager's fault given he is in charge of those individuals. Except we know he specifically wanted to make signings in the summer to correct exactly this fault and was apparently overruled.
So while I would criticise him in many ways for where we are generally, in this particular case..... *shrugs*
Unusually, I liked how we played for the whole game right up until we started conceding. Conceding that goal was mostly down to individual error, as were last week's goals.
Which you might say is ultimately the manager's fault given he is in charge of those individuals. Except we know he specifically wanted to make signings in the summer to correct exactly this fault and was apparently overruled.
So while I would criticise him in many ways for where we are generally, in this particular case..... *shrugs*
Well if we're fecked either way, at least we could stop the bleeding and reign in some of the players who seemingly want out. If we wait until the end of the season, we likely lose Mourinho, Pogba, and Martial. If we sack Jose, we're in with a chance of keeping the latter two. Regardless of what you think of the way they've reacted to Jose's management, they're both fantastic players who can do (and have) great things for United.
Yes. Mistakes will still be there. That shouldn't be the reason to keep the manager. It was the same exucse used in the later stages of Moyes, LVG. LVG took over from Moyes and improved us. Jose took over from LVG and improved us. But both reached a point of stagnancy where they could not get more from the players and Jose has reached it now. This is as good as it gets with Jose.
New manager may/may not improve the current players. But it will be a breath of fresh air among all the negativity here. As I mentioned in my previous post, it would also mean that the manager gets to work with the players longer and identify who he can keep for the next season.
I am absolutely livid right now. Going to wait to calm down before I make a call on this. Looks like he’s lost the dressing room.....
I don't get that impression whatsoever. "He's lost the dressing room" is one of the most overused terms in sport.
I hear what you're saying, and everyone else. I do. I get it. My rationale though, just me, is to try to stay with the continuity. That team tonight didn't quit. They lost, but they didn't just flat out give up. Which is why is i need more than 3 games.
Mourinho in,if you cannot see where the clubs real problem is then fine just go through your life watching the club implode on itself,the message to ANY manager is get on with coaching what you have got to get us into top 4 so our sponsors are happy and the owners get richer,we are a shockingly badly run club on the pitch but fantastic off it,you know,a bit like the tampa bay buccaneers...
Really?
That was not the performance of a team that downed tools. They lacked quality but not effort or intensity. The mistakes were brutal but they were honest.
From the squad I think only Pogba and Martial have it in them to dog it if things get rough. Cheese eating surrender merchants. Mourinho has dropped one and I suspect Pogba will soon follow for Herrera/Fellaini. He may as well go out with those who’ll play for him.
I voted not yet. We're three games in to the season; things are really bad, but it would be premature, IMHO. Give the guy the opportunity to put this right. If the form (and particularly the defending) continues in this vain in the coming weeks, then it's time for a serious conversation. A lot can change quickly. Let's hold our nerve and see if we can come through the present difficulties.
It was also before the PL, the creation then expansion of the CL and the Bosman ruling things that completely changed Football financially.
Yeah, that's what I meant with either decision being a risky one.
Mourinho wasn't my choice at the time of signing, he should have followed fergie. We should only sack him if we have someone to come in. We are not going to win the league, but we all knew that anyway. We will still challenge for top 4 and definitely finish top 6. I don't know who to say to bring in to change it TBH. We could bring in anyone and it will take a big change in the way we play and loads of money to bring in good players to replace the dross we have.
No manager should be sacked after three games and while there are obviously big problems, there were positives to take tonight. He's certainly not lost the players with the effort they put in. Big few weeks coming up for him though.
Yes and I don’t use it lightly but are those players, playing to their potential!? So are they trying as hard as they could? The players aren’t on board with sit deep, possession is a danger, lack of ambition football. That much is bloody obvious.
Bayern fired Ancelotti last year despite winning 4 of the first 6 league games.
People can say "it's only 3 games" all they want, but there's clearly a lot of tension behind the scenes and it's only going to get worse from here. Might as well stop the bleeding early enough to salvage the season.
People can say "it's only 3 games" all they want, but there's clearly a lot of tension behind the scenes and it's only going to get worse from here. Might as well stop the bleeding early enough to salvage the season.
Just watched the press conference after the game. The journalists are clearly out to wind him up like school children seeing if they can upset the teacher - sad to them tittering after he walks out.
Did you watch the game?
Shame Mourinho can't play a wildcard.
This time next year it will be the Zidane out thread,then the Pochettino out thread,while we still have Jones,Smalling,Young,Fellaini etc....
Has anyone thought to ask Pogba and Martial what managers they would be willing to work for? Hate to go thru all the trouble of hiring someone new, only to find out that they're not acceptable either.
I actually think this was our best game of the season. And I also think we saw why Mourinho wanted a new defender. First Jones let Kane have all the space in the world for that first header. Then Herrera forgot he was a defender, and we have something called offside. At the last goal, both Smalling and Lindelöf proved their skill. Smalling for tackling in a situation where he should stay on is feet and control the situation. Lindelöf sure as he.. wasn't running his socks of to get in behind as a support for Smalling.
Shaw looks like he's coming back. Sanchez had a decent game when he game on. Lindgard was rather good. Pogba was below average compared to what I expect from him.
With our current squad, I can't see any manager better suited to turn this for us than Mourinho. And Mr. Woody should hit him self for not paying up for a decent defender this summer. We clearly need one.
Shaw looks like he's coming back. Sanchez had a decent game when he game on. Lindgard was rather good. Pogba was below average compared to what I expect from him.
With our current squad, I can't see any manager better suited to turn this for us than Mourinho. And Mr. Woody should hit him self for not paying up for a decent defender this summer. We clearly need one.
I would say give him till the end of the season, give him some money in Jan - no not £70 million for a CB but at least half of that to strengthen somewhere. And if we dont finish 2nd again its time to look for a new manager. I don't like the idea of sacking him right now though, seems like a bad idea
Well yes that’s the problem. Pogba is supposed to be our star player but he Simply doesn’t look interested (in comparison to his performances for France). It doesn’t need the whole team to drop tools (look at Chelsea in his 3rd season).
As I said in another reply it doesn’t take the whole team just a few and pogba is one and that’s a huge problem, that added to the fact our back four is utter crap, results in what we are seeing and will continue to do so.....
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