This is what you get along with so much success for such a long time. Spoilt fans, whith little patience who think it will happen over night. And the same people are talking about long term plans, lol. Let's see how much time the next manager gets before the same thing happens again.
The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked
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Paddy Power is the business equivalent of a toddler running around with a nappy on their head.
Indeed they should, but we both know it won't happen until the turn of the year when top 4 is out of reach.
To answer your question, no. Not a chance in hell Jose can turn this around.
What is the idea that Mourinho can turn this around based on?
Not only has he never been able to do it in any of his third season meltdowns... But managers in general rarely, if ever, seem to be able too.
Not only has he never been able to do it in any of his third season meltdowns... But managers in general rarely, if ever, seem to be able too.
Re. the fans attacking anyone who has had enough....
If Jose was like Fergie or Wenger and wanted to establish a foundation to build on, I might have more respect for the 'give him time' point
But this is Jose Mourinho, at his best, when all goes perfectly he shows up at a club, burns brightly for 3 or 4 years then leaves in a messy fireball. This is year 3 of the Jose experience, very late in the game by his usual stndards and he is already showing clear signs of a meltdown - when exactly is he going to get it right?
If Jose was like Fergie or Wenger and wanted to establish a foundation to build on, I might have more respect for the 'give him time' point
But this is Jose Mourinho, at his best, when all goes perfectly he shows up at a club, burns brightly for 3 or 4 years then leaves in a messy fireball. This is year 3 of the Jose experience, very late in the game by his usual stndards and he is already showing clear signs of a meltdown - when exactly is he going to get it right?
I didn't see a team that has lost faith in the manager but it's a easy line to chuck out . Maybe stick a poll up asking Pogba out or better Lukaku out because these guys are stealing a living
And a dirty one at that.
I'm not one to write a "Fergie would have never" type of comment, usually. I take on board fully the criticism - that any current manager has to endure comparisons with an idealised version of Sir Alex. But... We've seen today, something that I don't think anyone fair minded could ever accuse Alex Ferguson of doing, because he never did it. The sort of grandstanding, point proving, narcissistic, clownish posturing that we've seen by Mourinho tonight.
Fergie played politics with the board quite frequently. He would fight it out with the money men, and at times he was quite abrasive, and headstrong, letting them know exactly how he felt about, not just the lack of money and signings, but attempts to undermine his authority, questioning of his competence and so on and so forth. He didn't always get his way, and often he wouldn't get the signings he wanted (which contrary to what some have suggested wasn't just in those seasons when United fared poorly). The difference is simply this - after he fought it out with the money men, whatever the outcome, he would then just forget about that whole aspect of football. He would roll his sleeves up and get down to the fecking trench. There was no washing of dirty linen in public, no media mediated power play, no publicly executed extortions of transfer funds. Whether he was selfish in other regards (when it comes to his wage, or the Rock of Gibraltar or any number of other aspects) you could never suspect Fergie of downing tools or not doing his absolute best to get every ounce of energy and heart available from his team, no matter how short-handed he felt in his dealings with the owners (and we know for a fact that he felt that way regularly, even when United were winning everything).
Now hand on heart, who can say they are confident Mourinho is just as professional in that regard?
Fergie played politics with the board quite frequently. He would fight it out with the money men, and at times he was quite abrasive, and headstrong, letting them know exactly how he felt about, not just the lack of money and signings, but attempts to undermine his authority, questioning of his competence and so on and so forth. He didn't always get his way, and often he wouldn't get the signings he wanted (which contrary to what some have suggested wasn't just in those seasons when United fared poorly). The difference is simply this - after he fought it out with the money men, whatever the outcome, he would then just forget about that whole aspect of football. He would roll his sleeves up and get down to the fecking trench. There was no washing of dirty linen in public, no media mediated power play, no publicly executed extortions of transfer funds. Whether he was selfish in other regards (when it comes to his wage, or the Rock of Gibraltar or any number of other aspects) you could never suspect Fergie of downing tools or not doing his absolute best to get every ounce of energy and heart available from his team, no matter how short-handed he felt in his dealings with the owners (and we know for a fact that he felt that way regularly, even when United were winning everything).
Now hand on heart, who can say they are confident Mourinho is just as professional in that regard?
Mourinho signed new players. Some worked out (better), some didn't work out. At least Mourinho realised this soon enough.
Yet, Mourinho and Woodward didn't ship out enough players. Valencia, Young, Smalling, Jones.. all players from the Ferguson era.
Yet, Mourinho and Woodward didn't ship out enough players. Valencia, Young, Smalling, Jones.. all players from the Ferguson era.
People don't expect it to happen overnight, but there needs to be visible progression. We progressed initially but it's stopped short.
We went from the best team in the premier league, League Champions and replaced it with Moyes, Van Gaal and now Jose.
I don't think its too much to expect something to finally show some promise not decline year after year.
He looks miserable
Key players hate him
The direction of the Club doesn't trust him
Can't win against weak teams, can't win against strong teams
Third season meltdown confirmed...again
so...
OUT, NOW, OUT!
Key players hate him
The direction of the Club doesn't trust him
Can't win against weak teams, can't win against strong teams
Third season meltdown confirmed...again
so...
OUT, NOW, OUT!
Still behind Jose. Ed should have gotten him Alderweireld like he asked. He was fantastic tonight, while the centre backs Jose wanted to replace showcased exactly why.
Yank spotted - did you start watching football 3 years ago?
The buck stops with the manager first and foremost. He picks the team, sets the strategy and the tactics, so he takes responsibility for their performance on the pitch and the final result. When the team isn't winning, the manager is to blame.
What's the direction of the direction of the club?
Tonight felt like a massive turning point.
On top in the first half and then utterly out thought by poch and no answer at all to it.
Pogba,sanchez,martial,lukaku all look underpar. Probably easier to think about changing management than all the players
On top in the first half and then utterly out thought by poch and no answer at all to it.
Pogba,sanchez,martial,lukaku all look underpar. Probably easier to think about changing management than all the players
Chelsea sack managers and still win trophies. It wouldn't be that bad
We all care about the club and want what's best. That goes without saying.
I'm not even a Mourinho fan. I made that clear on here around the time he was appointed. My point is that it'd be crazy to sack him at this point. You either do it at the end of last season or not at all. We haven't seen anything in these 3 games that we didn't see last season. It just seems worse because we've had 2 losses in a row, but actually the first half today was one of our better performances in Mourinho's time here.
To go back to my original post, all you can as the average fan at this point is to support the players and the manager. Negativity will continue to drive them down. Those 'berks' who applauded at the end are the only fans who might make the tiniest bit of difference towards helping turn these results around.
There was no social media or internet in 1988. No Sky sports, no army of pundits, and there was certainly not the level of pure vitriol aimed at him as we see with Mourinho. It's mind-boggling at times. To be honest, if all these things had been around two years into Fergie's reign, we'd likely still be waiting for title number eight.
Its not just the two games - its the general atmosphere surrounding Mourinho and the club. Every little thing is suddenly a dramatic siege. We can't afford to slide into a copy of his final year at Chelsea...and what's troubling is he doesn't seem to have learned much from that episode as he's repeating the same sort of drama.
What's wrong with Chelsea? Have they ever been unjustified in sacking their manager?
You say this as if buying one of the top 2-3 players at Spurs from Daniel Levy is as simple as walking in with a checkbook. Do you honestly think he'd sell a player that important when he didn't sign anyone?!
Thing about 92-93 is we did buy Cantona and we looked like we should've won in 1992. You could see a formidable team being built, Fergie by this time was in no danger.
I'm not particularly happy with his performance right now, but not sure another manager would do a much better job. Sacking seems a risky decision, although I guess keeping him on can be viewed as such too.
Yes, I thought it was largely accepted that he was ours if Ed stumped the money up. He just wasn't happy to do so for a 29 year old.
Roy, is that you?
What exactly are the risks here? We’re not finishing top 4 with current manager and we won’t get relegated after sacking him too.
Indeedy pal. We're damned if we do and damned if we don't. The club is in a massive mess right now. The whole club is rotten from top to bottom.
If reports are to be believed - then yes, yes it was. He just didn't wanna cough up the money.
I can see sacking him before the season is out and bringing in Zidane for the remainder of the season. If he does well, make it a more permanent deal. Otherwise, you may as well wait until end of season.
Please look back at 3rd goal conceded 2nite and at 85.04 on the clock the camara turns to Ed Woodward and director. Please lip read the director sitting next to Ed Woodward.....sack him. It's on sky sports the match.
Carlo was probably the only harsh one. Di Matteo was out of his league despite it looking harsh.
Whilst clearly things are not right behind the scenes publicly this is nothing like Mourinho's final season at Chelsea and it's stupid to say it is. Whether it's all for show who knows but publicly at least Jose is saying all the right things this time around and if performances like tonight continue he clearly hasn't lost the dressing room either
Ah yes, he won the double that season iirc. That one is the anomaly. My point still stands, every time they sack a manager, it's justified in the sense they win (or at least challenge for) a trophy the following season.
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