The most toxic squad of first team players that have ever been assembled at Manchester United...

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...are currently here right now.

To name some of the things that we as fans have had to put up with so far this season include:
  • Players not caring about what it means to wear the shirt.
  • Players claiming to feel more Mancunian than what they do of their hometown, because they’re trying to negotiate a new contract, and they know that no other club would pay their current salary.
  • Players refusing to put effort in on the pitch.
  • Players downing tools when the going gets tough.
  • Players moaning about training methods.
  • Players refusing to develop their own game because they think they have already made it and don’t have to.
  • Players constantly leaking stories to the press.
  • Players claiming to have wasted 5 years at the club despite the majority of the time them never actually performing on the pitch.
  • Players briefing their agents of their desire to leave the club because they feel that the minimum requirement of actually helping the team during a match – by putting some effort in during their minutes on the pitch, is beneath them.
  • Players constantly undermining the manager.

The current toxicity throughout the first team squad is at unprecedented levels.
I have never known or heard of any squad in the history of Manchester United, to be as shocking as the one we currently have.
I am not even talking about the ability of the squad; I am talking about the professionalism and the attitude of the players; not to mention the contempt they show to us Manchester United fans.

The players need to sort themselves out, or they can move on from the club...
They will not be missed!
 
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The Oracle said:
...are currently here right now.

To name some of the things that we as fans have had to put up with so far this season include:
  • Player’s not caring about what it means to wear the shirt.
  • Player’s claiming to feel more Mancunian than what they do of their hometown, because they’re trying to negotiate a new contract, and they know that no other club would pay their current salary.
  • Player’s refusing to put effort in on the pitch.
  • Player’s downing tools when the going gets tough.
  • Player’s moaning about training methods.
  • Player’s refusing to develop their own game because they think they have already made it and don’t have to.
  • Player’s constantly leaking stories to the press.
  • Player’s claiming to have wasted 5 years at the club despite the majority of the time them never actually performing on the pitch.
  • Player’s briefing their agents of their desire to leave the club because they feel that the minimum requirement of actually helping the team during a match – by putting some effort in during their minutes on the pitch, is beneath them.
  • Player’s constantly undermining the manager.

The current toxicity throughout the first team squad is at unprecedented levels.
I have never known or heard of any squad in the history of Manchester United, to be as shocking as the one we currently have.
I am not even talking about the ability of the squad; I am talking about the professionalism and the attitude of the player's; not to mention the contempt they show to us Manchester United fans.

The player’s need to sort themselves out, or they can move on from the club...
They will not be missed!
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The most toxic collection of unnecessary apostrophes that have ever been assembled on Redcafe...
 
hate this bunch of players so much.

Players i dont mind from this current squad: Fred, Mctominay, Telles, Jadon (too early tho), Ronaldo.
 
A lot of those points are fair but I would balance that by saying that since SAF left the club it has been a free for all where we are concerned in the media and our players get written about and quoted to an almost insane degree. They don't help themselves certainly and frequently make tone deaf or just plain stupid comments but it is also true that a narrative has been created that the media loves, that drives clicks and fuels the dumpster fire image that it seems everyone wants to see where United are concerned.

Truth is we are still the club that everyone loves to hate and now we are at our lowest point there is a mob mentality with everyone looking to pile on and highlight any potentially negative or controversial comment or moment from the players and we ourselves are so frustrated with the performances that we cannot help but be drawn in and swallow all this bile whole.

Yes, there are some that need to be got rid of and more than a few that need to learn to shut up and keep their heads down but we don't have to believe everything negative thing written about them either because an agenda exists and the people writing the stories know exactly how to twist the knife.
 
I don't see why fans are getting so eaten up over it. I take it everyone is 100% committed to their employers, regardless of internal mismanagement and years of disapointment?
 
Recency bias in my opinion, we'd have said (and did say) that LVG's and Jose's squads were toxic too.
 
Lynty said:
I don't see why fans are getting so eaten up over it. I take it everyone is 100% committed to their employers, regardless of internal mismanagement and years of disappointment?
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This is such a lazy comparison and i hate it when people try and compare a regular job that someone on a forum would have to being a footballer. Being a footballer is unlike any other job in the entire world the two aren't remotely linked in any way in terms of work, hours, or pay or ANYTHING else. How often if you don't perform in your job role does your employer tell you you don't have to come to work and can instead watch a football match while getting paid 200k a week? You really can't compare it to anything else.
 
The fans are just as toxic to be fair.

Minimal support.
 
i think there’s a fair amount of recency bias here. things weren’t always rosy. even under sri alex. i remember keane waiting in a hotel corridor for big pete so they could have a straightener after schmeichel made fun of keane’s wife’s baldness at an end of season awards ceremony.

there was also that time giggs kicked a boot at beckham as david’s hair had grown quite long and ryan mistook him for a woman.

there was something with wayne rooney threatening to move to his neighbour’s house or something unless we paid him more money to stay in his own one.

jaap stam was booted out of the club after accidentally detailing how sir alec tried to seduce him in a book.

there was keane, again, minority reporting us for releasing him to celtic years later by destroying the mediocre career of a child prodigy’s father. now haaland won’t sign for us.

not to forget eric cantona booting a seagull in the breast. we’re a toxic club by nature.
 
I don't buy it.

We just happen to consistently sign toxic players because... why exactly? Are Man City or Bayern or Real Madrid full of model professionals, paragons of the sport, compared to our uniquely unruly and ill-disciplined individuals?

I posit that most professional football players are roughly similar - there are problematic individuals, sure, but no one in this bunch is a Mario Balotelli or I don't know, Joey Barton. It's poor recruitment, poor management, and a subsequently deteriorating club culture, as opposed to simply 'toxic players'.
 
People need to stop blaming the players. The players didn’t arrive at our club toxic. It’s the toxic owners who have created the toxic culture. We as a club weren’t toxic before they came. Just look at the horrible negative atmosphere they have created for us fans. The players are humans, they feel the same way I’m sure
 
ManchesterManchester said:
People need to stop blaming the players. The players didn’t arrive at our club toxic. It’s the toxic owners who have created the toxic culture. We as a club weren’t toxic before they came. Just look at the horrible negative atmosphere they have created for us fans. The players are humans, they feel the same way I’m sure
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We had the occasional toxic player before the Glazers, guess what we did with them?

Look at Arsenal they had a few toxic players, they got rid and benefited massively from it.

Reducing everything down to being the Glazers fault is just infantile.
 
rimaldo said:
i think there’s a fair amount of recency bias here. things weren’t always rosy. even under sri alex. i remember keane waiting in a hotel corridor for big pete so they could have a straightener after schmeichel made fun of keane’s wife’s baldness at an end of season awards ceremony.

there was also that time giggs kicked a boot at beckham as david’s hair had grown quite long and ryan mistook him for a woman.

there was something with wayne rooney threatening to move to his neighbour’s house or something unless we paid him more money to stay in his own one.

jaap stam was booted out of the club after accidentally detailing how sir alec tried to seduce him in a book.

there was keane, again, minority reporting us for releasing him to celtic years later by destroying the mediocre career of a child prodigy’s father. now haaland won’t sign for us.

not to forget eric cantona booting a seagull in the breast. we’re a toxic club by nature.
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:lol:
 
Smores said:
We had the occasional toxic player before the Glazers, guess what we did with them?

Look at Arsenal they had a few toxic players, they got rid and benefited massively from it.

Reducing everything down to being the Glazers fault is just infantile.
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I fully agree with you, we certainly need to get rid of them. However, it’s not just one or two players which is why I am saying that surely the issue is with The culture and how they are being managed. Management need to accept and learn from their mistakes so the next players we bring in, don’t become toxic too. My thoughts on why this has happened:

- They have decided to keep players too long instead of sell them (Lingard, Henderson etc)
- They choose players over managers for marketing and money reasons (Pogba over Mourinho)
- They pay players completely disproportionately creating jealousy (Jadon Sancho 350k per week compared to Bruno 180k per week)
- Some players earn hefty wages for absolutely no reason, most likely creating disharmony (Mata 160k a week, Jones 75k a week)
- They allow an entire season to be written off by November and let rival fans make fun of us (leaving it ridiculously long to sack Ole)
 
Lowkey said:
hate this bunch of players so much.

Players i dont mind from this current squad: Fred, Mctominay, Telles, Jadon (too early tho), Ronaldo.
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I too am at the point where there are very few of the current squad that I don't mind.
 
...and we'll be giving alot of them new contracts! Starting with Luke Shaw, Marcus Rashford and Bruno Fernandes. Joy. At least Cavani, Mata and Lingard won't be getting any. Though todays reports conveniently left out Pogba, I hope they aren't still thinking of giving him that obscene amount of money that he doesn't deserve.
 
Gandalf said:
A lot of those points are fair but I would balance that by saying that since SAF left the club it has been a free for all where we are concerned in the media and our players get written about and quoted to an almost insane degree. They don't help themselves certainly and frequently make tone deaf or just plain stupid comments but it is also true that a narrative has been created that the media loves, that drives clicks and fuels the dumpster fire image that it seems everyone wants to see where United are concerned.

Truth is we are still the club that everyone loves to hate and now we are at our lowest point there is a mob mentality with everyone looking to pile on and highlight any potentially negative or controversial comment or moment from the players and we ourselves are so frustrated with the performances that we cannot help but be drawn in and swallow all this bile whole.

Yes, there are some that need to be got rid of and more than a few that need to learn to shut up and keep their heads down but we don't have to believe everything negative thing written about them either because an agenda exists and the people writing the stories know exactly how to twist the knife.
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To be fair this is a good balance.
 
Bring back the afternoon pub sessions. Plenty of team bonding then when they were all getting half cut most days after training.
 
Red_toad said:
On line fans are a shite show. We have a lot of fans who just adore complaining about every little thing.
Fans in the ground have been amazingly patient and loyal.
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We have seen this alot recently, the fans have agendas against players and will not support them, its as if its an individual sport rather than a team one.

Fans are equally to blame as the squad for this toxic nature at United.
 
The Oracle said:
I would say that the current toxicity is the worst it has ever been at the club.
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Personally I thought under Jose it was at it's worst, amongst the fans too. Jose riled up the fans and players publicly too. I guess either way it's not good at the moment
 
rimaldo said:
i think there’s a fair amount of recency bias here. things weren’t always rosy. even under sri alex. i remember keane waiting in a hotel corridor for big pete so they could have a straightener after schmeichel made fun of keane’s wife’s baldness at an end of season awards ceremony.

there was also that time giggs kicked a boot at beckham as david’s hair had grown quite long and ryan mistook him for a woman.

there was something with wayne rooney threatening to move to his neighbour’s house or something unless we paid him more money to stay in his own one.

jaap stam was booted out of the club after accidentally detailing how sir alec tried to seduce him in a book.

there was keane, again, minority reporting us for releasing him to celtic years later by destroying the mediocre career of a child prodigy’s father. now haaland won’t sign for us.

not to forget eric cantona booting a seagull in the breast. we’re a toxic club by nature.
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Deciphering what is true or not from your examples is tricky :lol:
What is definitely true is that they would have happened over the course of a number different of seasons, so it could be said that they happened in isolation.

What we are seeing now is all happening this season (it could be argued that it has been building up to this season), and I have never known for it to be as bad as it is now with our current squad of players.
 
romufc said:
We have seen this alot recently, the fans have agendas against players and will not support them, its as if its an individual sport rather than a team one.

Fans are equally to blame as the squad for this toxic nature at United.
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In addition I can already see some will just go at the new manager instantly if it's not whom they wanted appointing. It'll be a never ending toxic pit for some.
 
Siorac said:
I don't buy it.

We just happen to consistently sign toxic players because... why exactly? Are Man City or Bayern or Real Madrid full of model professionals, paragons of the sport, compared to our uniquely unruly and ill-disciplined individuals?

I posit that most professional football players are roughly similar - there are problematic individuals, sure, but no one in this bunch is a Mario Balotelli or I don't know, Joey Barton. It's poor recruitment, poor management, and a subsequently deteriorating club culture, as opposed to simply 'toxic players'.
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Its because thy know if they sign here they are going to be here for life on ever increasing mega contracts without having to put a shift in, on the pitch, as long as they dont want to win trophies.
 
Red_toad said:
In addition I can already see some will just go at the new manager instantly if it's not whom they wanted appointing. It'll be a never ending toxic pit for some.
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Which is the exact opposite of supporting the football club.

Go have a look at what Mark Goldbridge puts out, pretty shameful IMO.

yes the club have made mistakes, they accept it but we can only support the manager thats brought in, its quite obvious they want to take their time and get this right.

Also, guaranteed if the manager they want is appointed and does badly, they'll all say, the board didn't back him.
 
I cant believe the players are being defended. Yes I agree the papers make a load of it up but just watch the games. No fight. No heart. Cant be fkn arsed attitudes. And its all 90 percent of them! Im not having any excuses for the players this season. Its an embarrassment. Im not having the papers made it up excuse. Yes they have made up stuff. But look at your fkn performances! Who's fighting? Who's putting in 100 percent? Who's in form? Lets put it this way - which player gets player of the season? De Gea! Thats it. Who else is even a contender? Lindelof?
 
romufc said:
Which is the exact opposite of supporting the football club.

Go have a look at what Mark Goldbridge puts out, pretty shameful IMO.

yes the club have made mistakes, they accept it but we can only support the manager thats brought in, its quite obvious they want to take their time and get this right.

Also, guaranteed if the manager they want is appointed and does badly, they'll all say, the board didn't back him.
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Yeah been there. Didn't take long to be very much over what he puts up as content, have zero interest in whatever he puts out now, he certainly doesn't come across as a genuine fan, just someone making a living by associating himself with the club. Pretty shameful that he has so many followers for pushing his agendas and regurgitating crap media sources.
 
ManchesterManchester said:
I fully agree with you, we certainly need to get rid of them. However, it’s not just one or two players which is why I am saying that surely the issue is with The culture and how they are being managed. Management need to accept and learn from their mistakes so the next players we bring in, don’t become toxic too. My thoughts on why this has happened:

- They have decided to keep players too long instead of sell them (Lingard, Henderson etc)
- They choose players over managers for marketing and money reasons (Pogba over Mourinho)
- They pay players completely disproportionately creating jealousy (Jadon Sancho 350k per week compared to Bruno 180k per week)
- Some players earn hefty wages for absolutely no reason, most likely creating disharmony (Mata 160k a week, Jones 75k a week)
- They allow an entire season to be written off by November and let rival fans make fun of us (leaving it ridiculously long to sack Ole)
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Still one of the few good decisions they made in Mourinho's case.
 
Red_toad said:
On line fans are a shite show. We have a lot of fans who just adore complaining about every little thing.
Fans in the ground have been amazingly patient and loyal.
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Which IMO is a large factor in the degradation of our football. If the players continue to perform at low levels with low levels of effort but they are constantly clapped off the pitch because United has "better fans" then do you expect them to try harder? If you are going to get the admiration and love no matter what, why put in the effort? However, if you no you are going to get called shite or the fans are going to call you out you for not performing you might be incentivized to do a little better.

We need to stop worrying about being the best fans and start worrying about being the best football club.
 
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Siorac said:
I don't buy it.

We just happen to consistently sign toxic players because... why exactly? Are Man City or Bayern or Real Madrid full of model professionals, paragons of the sport, compared to our uniquely unruly and ill-disciplined individuals?

I posit that most professional football players are roughly similar - there are problematic individuals, sure, but no one in this bunch is a Mario Balotelli or I don't know, Joey Barton. It's poor recruitment, poor management, and a subsequently deteriorating club culture, as opposed to simply 'toxic players'.
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Barca players were a group of mercenaries who didn't care a few months ago. Today the story is different.
 
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