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EZee said:
but decicion victories under the current system are a joke... that clearly needs to be changed before grinding out decicion after decicion counts...

rua won the last fight... ask any fighter
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Ask any fighter? Plenty of fighters had Machida win, as did plenty of judges.

The fight was extremely close, due to the nature of ALL combat sport judging.

Rounds 1 2 and 3 were all very close and Shogun could have stolen any one of those rounds, he also decisively won rounds 4 and 5.

Unfortunately for Shogun fights are judged on a per round basis rather than the body of the entire fight.

If this was a school yard bang up, yes I would agree Shogun won, or would have won soon after the fight ended. It wasn't a school yard row, it was a sporting event and Machida won that. He won it 3 rounds to 2 on three judges score cards if memory serves correctly. In my opinion and in many other opinions he narrowly won rounds 1 through 3, before the work Shogun did in those rounds hobbled him and Shogun had his way with him.

The fight when judged as a sporting event was so incredibly close that I would not be upset had Shogun been given the nod because as an experienced (I've been watching the UFC since 1993 and pride since the early days) and an objective observer I can see the legitimate arguments on both sides for any one of the first three rounds to have been given to Shogun.

So ya, Shogun won the "fight" but he lost the match. The only thing that matters. If you change the rules, the dynamic of the fight changes. Just because you change the rules doesn't mean the ultimate outcome becomes different. Gameplans and strategy change. Shogun's strategy was contingent on the current rule system. If we went back to UFC 1-2 style rules where it was more of a fight, I promise you the fight would have been drastically different. Who would have won? Impossible to say because the approach both men would have taken would have been different. This last paragraph may seem contradictory but it is not. Just because the rules change, doesn't mean the outcome does. IF the rules change the manner in the fight is fought does become unpredictable the result is also unpredictable but this does not necessitate a change in outcome.
 
Can't wait for this Sunday and Wanderlei vs Bisping. I like both fighters, but I really want a big knockout from the Axe Murder to get his UFC career back on track. It has the potential to be the fight of the night if both men come ready to battle.
 
EZee said:
wand looked in good shape at the weigh in... could be that 185lbs suits him...
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That surgery really helped his cardio. And his nutrition must be spot on, he looked very lean.

Delighted he beat that toerag Bisping, honestly I think it should have been 30-27 instead of 29-28. Bisping couldn't handle Wandys flurries. Nearlyfinishee it at the end of every round.
 
After yesterdays very poor showing by United I was in the mood to see some blood and boy did UFC 110 deliver. Excellent all round fights. Wanderlei looked good, Cain was amazing and even the prelim fights were very entertaining. Top event and the crowd down under added to the excitement.
 
Name Changed said:
I thought the Wanderlei Bisping fight was atrocious to be honest.
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Come on! It was hardly that. I think both fighters gave each other the proper amount of respect. Wanderlei is coming back after a long layoff and looked a little tentative at first but it was a good fight. Both men looked ready to battle and there was plenty of action in it. Wandy almost chokes out Bisping in the 2nd and then knocks him out (almost) in the 3rd. Another 2 rounds would have been nice but that to me was a very even fight between 2 men who love to bang!
 
Not a good card in the end, some entertainment but I was left wanting more... Cracking atmosphere though.
 
Hell of a lot better then UFC109 Coutoure vs Coleman. Talk about unimpressive...
 
how come dana dismisses aoki because he wears 3/4 lengh tights which massivley aid submissions...

then he lets somebody who pulls rubber gaurd wear 2x knee and 2x ankle supports...

are you telling me that he had 2 dodgey knees and 2 dodgey ankles going into the fight... bollocks its cheating...

no different to a striker cutting padding out of a glove or a wrestler greasing themselves...

hypocritical and wrong... i hope somebody not only stops him in hos next fight but ends his ufc carear and if he needs to cheat he can fight with aoki in japan

other than that i thought valasquez looked good... id love to see him vs dos santos as a title elimintor soon
 
Anderson Searl said:
:lol: Yeah after a good run of UFC's these last 2 have been less than stellar.
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yes but there is also the vera vs jones and dos santos, guida and kongo on the card for fight night (or is it called something different)

and the next ufc looks like a great line up (providing we dint get the late injurys again)
gsp vs hardy
mir vs carwin
fitch vs alves

thats a good card!... and ben saunders who i like as a fighter as well
 
This UFC was a big step up in terms of quality over most in recent memory. As for the George Sitoropolous?!?!?! Joe Daddy fight. The braces did not change the outcome one iota. Joe Daddy got beat up standing, and he got schooled on the ground. Not because George MAY have had a slight grip advantage, because the guy has insanely slick JJ and was 2 or 3 moves ahead of Joe Daddy the entire way.
 
Nucks said:
This UFC was a big step up in terms of quality over most in recent memory. As for the George Sitoropolous?!?!?! Joe Daddy fight. The braces did not change the outcome one iota. Joe Daddy got beat up standing, and he got schooled on the ground. Not because George MAY have had a slight grip advantage, because the guy has insanely slick JJ and was 2 or 3 moves ahead of Joe Daddy the entire way.
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true...

but i distinctly saw the grips help keep him locked in the rubberman guard... and unless he had injured both knees and ankles he was doing it to potentially get an advantage and imo thats just not on...

it COULD in a future contest de a important factor...and dana does say its unfair when aoki does it so if he wants any consistency they should make sure its not done again...
 
Frank Mir: ‘I hope Brock Lesnar dies in the ring’ | The Sun |Sport|Wrestling

UFC star Frank Mir has unleashed a sickening rant about former WWE world champion Brock Lesnar — saying he wants to kill him.
Lesnar lost on his UFC debut to Mir, but later defeated the Vegas-born star to win the company's heavyweight world championship.

But ahead of talk about a third possible clash, Mir says he HATES Lesnar and wants him to DIE.

During a radio interview with former WCW commentator Mark Madden, he stormed: "I want to fight Brock Lesnar. I hate who he is as a person.

"I want to break his neck in the ring.

"I want him to be the first person that dies to Octagon-related injuries."


Maybe there is more context to this, but that's a bit extreme
 
Heardy said:
Frank Mir: ‘I hope Brock Lesnar dies in the ring’ | The Sun |Sport|Wrestling

UFC star Frank Mir has unleashed a sickening rant about former WWE world champion Brock Lesnar — saying he wants to kill him.
Lesnar lost on his UFC debut to Mir, but later defeated the Vegas-born star to win the company's heavyweight world championship.

But ahead of talk about a third possible clash, Mir says he HATES Lesnar and wants him to DIE.

During a radio interview with former WCW commentator Mark Madden, he stormed: "I want to fight Brock Lesnar. I hate who he is as a person.

"I want to break his neck in the ring.

"I want him to be the first person that dies to Octagon-related injuries."


Maybe there is more context to this, but that's a bit extreme
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not seen that carried in sherdog or mmaweekly... who you would have thought would make a massive deal out of that...

if true its shocking... but id be curious to see what contect it was said in... i can only hope its one of those moments where sarcasm just does not translate into written words?

brock possibly back july 3rd though...
 
I'm pretty sure it's just Frank Mir hyping his possible fight with Lesnar with his usual extremities. He must not mean it because he recently said he hopes Leamar recovers soon as he's got a family to care for
 
EZee said:
true...

but i distinctly saw the grips help keep him locked in the rubberman guard... and unless he had injured both knees and ankles he was doing it to potentially get an advantage and imo thats just not on...

it COULD in a future contest de a important factor...and dana does say its unfair when aoki does it so if he wants any consistency they should make sure its not done again...
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The UFC has never really had any sort of rule on this. Mir wears knee/ankle braces, Timmay did as well. I think a few other guys do or did as well.

Frankly, it is a tool that can be to your advantage or be used against you. Grip works both ways after all. If it helps you grip, it prohibits you from slipping out of positions as much.

I have no problem with the use of knee braces and ankle braces for this purpose.
 
Heardy said:
Frank Mir: ‘I hope Brock Lesnar dies in the ring’ | The Sun |Sport|Wrestling

UFC star Frank Mir has unleashed a sickening rant about former WWE world champion Brock Lesnar — saying he wants to kill him.
Lesnar lost on his UFC debut to Mir, but later defeated the Vegas-born star to win the company's heavyweight world championship.

But ahead of talk about a third possible clash, Mir says he HATES Lesnar and wants him to DIE.

During a radio interview with former WCW commentator Mark Madden, he stormed: "I want to fight Brock Lesnar. I hate who he is as a person.

"I want to break his neck in the ring.

"I want him to be the first person that dies to Octagon-related injuries."


Maybe there is more context to this, but that's a bit extreme
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Maybe if we're lucky they can kill each other in the first ever double fatality in combat sports.

Both are giant retards.
 
beardsleybob said:
That surgery really helped his cardio. And his nutrition must be spot on, he looked very lean.

Delighted he beat that toerag Bisping, honestly I think it should have been 30-27 instead of 29-28. Bisping couldn't handle Wandys flurries. Nearlyfinishee it at the end of every round.
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Bisping won the first round comfortably. It was a very close fight. Bisping got more takedowns overall and you only needed to look at their faces at the end of the fight to see who landed more punches.

Wanderlei is a wily old pro though and nicked the 2nd and 3rd rounds by finishing strongly.
 
Really impressed with Valesquez again.

Surely he has to be due a shot at the title? Moves incredibly quick for a guy of his size.

Wand vs Bisping was disappointing.

Both looked tentative in engaging. Understandably Wand is on the downslope of a great career and a few horrible knockouts have probably sapped him of his mojo somewhat.

Bispings problems seem somewhat pyschological. He looked gun shy against Henderson and did so here again. Decent fighter but will never be good enough to win a title in the UFC.
 
Name Changed said:
I thought the Wanderlei Bisping fight was atrocious to be honest.
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Wand didn't need to bring the War to Bisping. He just had to do enough to win the fight.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Bisping won the first round comfortably. It was a very close fight. Bisping got more takedowns overall and you only needed to look at their faces at the end of the fight to see who landed more punches.

Wanderlei is a wily old pro though and nicked the 2nd and 3rd rounds by finishing strongly.
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I don't think he even one the first round, so I doubt it was his comfortably. And of course Bisping had more takedowns, when I didn't even see Silva try for a takedown. But how many times did Wandy block his takedowns. He rocked Bisping in the 3rd and nearly submitted him in the 2nd

Pogue Mahone said:
That's all he did though, "just enough"

Took a fair few digs on the way too. If Bisping had heavier hands it could have ended very differently.
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you could also argue that if Wanderlei was still at 205 he'd have more power in his punches
 
Nucks said:
The UFC has never really had any sort of rule on this. Mir wears knee/ankle braces, Timmay did as well. I think a few other guys do or did as well.

Frankly, it is a tool that can be to your advantage or be used against you. Grip works both ways after all. If it helps you grip, it prohibits you from slipping out of positions as much.

I have no problem with the use of knee braces and ankle braces for this purpose.
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“Did you think George Sotiropoulos was wearing an illegal uniform at UFC 110? I didn't really pay attention to it at the time, but now that I have seen pictures, it looks like to me that he is basically wearing grappling pants. What is the official rule on how much skin on the legs has to show? He wears long spandex, a knee brace and then long ankle supports, and makes pants out of them?”

That’s the gist of an email from reader Joseph H, and it brings up a valid point. The Unified Rules state only that “each contestant shall wear mixed martial arts shorts, biking shorts, or kick-boxing shorts.” It does not specifically preclude spandex leggings, which could potentially help secure a sweat-soaked appendage later in a fight. This is nothing if not a sensible fashion choice.

Does it matter? Is it “unfair”? Only if Stevenson was unable to do the same thing. And having that much wrap around the legs and ankles certainly opens Sotiropoulos to offense from his opponent: lack of sweat could have helped Stevenson grab a leg submission, though those typically aren’t as easy to secure.

But if the attire opens up dialogue about a little rules reform -- that’s a good thing. This sport is still very much a work in progress.
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i have to say when you pull a rubberman guard holding onto your own ankle to controll yout opponent can be tricky... it is made much easier by ankle supports...

i dont think it changed the outcome of this fight... but honestly i do think he knew exactly what he was doing and i think it should be looked closley at
 
beardsleybob said:
I don't think he even one the first round, so I doubt it was his comfortably. And of course Bisping had more takedowns, when I didn't even see Silva try for a takedown. But how many times did Wandy block his takedowns.
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You don't get points for blocking takedowns. Bisping took Silva down a number of times and landed just as many clean strikes. The only difference was that Silva did his best work in the last 10 seconds. I make that easily Bisping's round.

He rocked Bisping in the 3rd and nearly submitted him in the 2nd
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Silva probably shaded those two rounds, I agree. But they were close. Like I said, it was a close fight. I don't deny Silva deserved his win. I'm disagreeing with your statement that it was a 30-27 fight.

you could also argue that if Wanderlei was still at 205 he'd have more power in his punches
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You could also argue that if my auntie had bollocks she'd be my uncle.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
That's all he did though, "just enough"
... If Bisping had heavier hands it could have ended very differently.
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Pogue Mahone said:
You could also argue that if my auntie had bollocks she'd be my uncle.
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:p

Bisping and his camp were making all the noise about how he was going to beat the Legend. The onus was on The Count to make a statement, not Wand. All true fight fans know the War Wand brings, and while this was by no means a classic it was excellent to see a healthy Wand back in the ring and fighting smart.

Round scores are irrelevant, Bisping did nothing to suggest he won that fight. He had one great punch, and Wand took it. Wand could have stopped Bisping twice and if there is a rematch I can see Wand destroying Bisping as early as the first round. Lets face it, even with Wand on the wane, he's just too good a fighter for Bisping.
 
Devilton said:
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Bisping and his camp were making all the noise about how he was going to beat the Legend. The onus was on The Count to make a statement, not Wand. All true fight fans know the War Wand brings, and while this was by no means a classic it was excellent to see a healthy Wand back in the ring and fighting smart.

Round scores are irrelevant, Bisping did nothing to suggest he won that fight. He had one great punch, and Wand took it. Wand could have stopped Bisping twice and if there is a rematch I can see Wand destroying Bisping as early as the first round. Lets face it, even with Wand on the wane, he's just too good a fighter for Bisping.
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Wanderlei didn't do that much either. He got the win but that is about all you can say. It was boring, it was unconvincing, all he did was stem the flow of beatings he has been receiving lately. Bisping is an average enough fighter. Wanderlei of old would have crushed him. I was watching that fight thinking that Wanderlei was afraid to get knocked out and was only doing enough to win. He started committing himself towards the end but frankly, I found it extremely tedious.
 
beardsleybob said:
Well if he had another 10 seconds he would have won by TKO
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If. Bisping could have swung a punch and knocked him out within those 10 seconds also.

The fact was the Wanderlei went into that fight knowing it was 3 rounds of 5 minutes each. Saying that he would have knocked Bisping out if that last round was 5 minutes and 10 seconds long is irrelevant really. The fact was that he did not knock Bisping out and never looked like it until the last few seconds. It was a poor performance by both fighters, in my opinion.
 
Name Changed said:
Wanderlei didn't do that much either. He got the win but that is about all you can say. It was boring, it was unconvincing, all he did was stem the flow of beatings he has been receiving lately. Bisping is an average enough fighter. Wanderlei of old would have crushed him. I was watching that fight thinking that Wanderlei was afraid to get knocked out and was only doing enough to win. He started committing himself towards the end but frankly, I found it extremely tedious.
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Pretty much my take on it too.

Cro Cop is another fighter I think should retire. He was awesome in his prime but his heart clearly isn't in it any more. The UFC hasn't seen anything like the real him.
 
CassiusClaymore said:
Pretty much my take on it too.

Cro Cop is another fighter I think should retire. He was awesome in his prime but his heart clearly isn't in it any more. The UFC hasn't seen anything like the real him.
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Cro Cop is one of my favourite fighters, was one anyway. I think he is finished. His head doesn't seem in it. He doesn't seem to have the hunger. I highly doubt the UFC will renew his contract.
 
EZee said:
Sherdog.com MMA Blog: Tuesday, February 23, 2010

i have to say when you pull a rubberman guard holding onto your own ankle to controll yout opponent can be tricky... it is made much easier by ankle supports...

i dont think it changed the outcome of this fight... but honestly i do think he knew exactly what he was doing and i think it should be looked closley at
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Oh, no doubt he was looking for an advantage.

My point was only, other guys do the same thing.

The other point is that grip works both ways. George got the better of it this time, but making yourself more grippy can back fire if the other guy can dominate you. What if Joe was dominating that fight, and part of the reason was George wearing all that extra bracing material made it difficult for him to slip out of positions? Joe just used the extra grip he was getting from George to just pummel him.

It can work for you, or it can back fire on you.
 
Name Changed said:
Cro Cop is one of my favourite fighters, was one anyway. I think he is finished. His head doesn't seem in it. He doesn't seem to have the hunger. I highly doubt the UFC will renew his contract.
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He's always had mental issues.

I think he has lost the quickness he had, and it was that quickness that made his kicking dangerous.

He has always been something of a stalker. Now he is a stalking counter puncher. His kicks are insanely slow now and are completely telegraphed.

He gets beat to the punch now all the time. He is too reluctant to let his hands go. He really should hang them up.
 
Nucks said:
Oh, no doubt he was looking for an advantage.

My point was only, other guys do the same thing.

The other point is that grip works both ways. George got the better of it this time, but making yourself more grippy can back fire if the other guy can dominate you. What if Joe was dominating that fight, and part of the reason was George wearing all that extra bracing material made it difficult for him to slip out of positions? Joe just used the extra grip he was getting from George to just pummel him.

It can work for you, or it can back fire on you.
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true... but a rubberman guard with ankle supports... thats seriousley an advantage...

I know people who have trained at 10th planet so Im pretty familiar with the guard and I know the difference it makes... as i say it didnt affect this fight but i still think its low as feck and i hope next fight somebody tears his ankle apart... put him in a cage with aoki... that feckers crazy enough to rip it off
 
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hardy vs gsp...

ok im starting to get excited...

and its probably because im being completly biased but having seen some of the training dan is doing and how sharp he is plus the conditioning... its heart over head time for me and I genuinley think he has got a chance...

probably be dropping his hands a bit to provide cover for gsp shooting in and if he catches him on the way in with a clan strike to the temple area could be all over...

as for the 5 rounds... having seen him sparring 15 round sessions i have no doubt that he can manage that...

hummm as i say its probably heart over head for me but I genuinley think hes got at chance...
 
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