GSP is too big and would win easily - not because he's a better grappler but because he's an all around better fighter.
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GSP is too big and would win easily - not because he's a better grappler but because he's an all around better fighter.
You're making a huge omission to understate Conor's power - that being a lot of it [the power] was sapped from the ground game and once stood up, Conor carried less and less of a threat in terms of bombs and he was telegraphing.
Besides that, Conor really fought like an idiot when standing up, going almost square on and trying to prove he's the better man irrespective of technique and all the things he was praised for on his way up.
Conor would have plenty to review and think about in his stupidity during this bout - a number of things he shouldn't have been doing in there, which effectively shut his window of opportunity down.
I doubt they ever fight again, but if they did, Conor needs to show his opponent some respect in the stand up and treat him like he's supposed to instead of thinking it'll be a cakewalk as long as he doesn't get taken down. When Khabib actually dropped him, from his almost-square on position, you could see the shock on Conor's face. I doubt he gets caught like that if he wasn't standing as he was with so much nonchalance and overconfidence.
That's such a simple way to look at things. Honestly, that's what I'm saying. Sunnis around Chechnya and Dagestan do not hold such views. I wish they were moderate like in Tatarstan for example but they are not. I'm unsurprised by Khabibs reaction. In fact, I think it will only escalate from here. I keep saying and saying -- just leave Caucasus' folk alone.
I'm guessing Tukhugov v Lobov won't be happening now. Tukhugov was one of the guys swinging on Conor after the fight and I doubt the UFC want these teams anywhere near each other again.
Yea but what other fight really sells? UFC is all about them PPVs. They could fight at 165, didn't they create that weight class recently?
They're both 5'10".
Or conversely, these fighters maybe shouldn't be a part of the UFC if they can't take a bit of hype and banter in the lead ups to their fights.
The fight that sells just happened. The next one that sells will involve Jon Jones' return. The next one may involve GSP or possibly Lesnar. There are only one or two of these that take place each year.
no that was a joke. It would be tough to find a weight but obviously they could do it if they wanted to. If Khabib keeps winning and GSP wants to go again they kinda have to do it
I highly respect your opinion in this thread but I don't agree. Conor faught like he always does. At 155 he's not a magician, as some say. His power and his weight doesn't translate well into the divison.
As I said, stylistically, I love Conor. He's got such grace but ultimately Tony is going to darce choke you or Khabib will break your face via gnp.
It depends on who Conor is fighting. When he faced Alvarez, who was the champ at the time, he was pretty effective with his striking. Its when Conor goes up against talented grapplers, jiu-jitsu specialists etc...that he runs into trouble.
No because none of the stuff would be talked about if it wasn't for Conor.
Sport and politics don't mix. Smart fighters like Loma distance themselves from the agro. He was wearing a Russian flag with Kovalev and he brushed it off. His manager said don't ever call him Russian and he laughed it off. What is Conor thinking when he decides to delve into that? I think it's really stupid and he's getting involved in a thing that he does not understand.
It might be right that we're overestimating McGregor's power at that weight but I think we've seen enough of both him and Khabib by now to know that McGregor should have dominated in the standing exchanges regardless. Yet he didn't, Khabib arguably beat him on the feet along with thoroughly dominating him on the ground. He certainly landed the most significant strike of the night.
That tells me that McGregor' striking game was off, be it from ring rust or fatiguing too quickly or whatever. I would expect peak McGregor to at least outstrike Khabib, even if the end result is the same.
they don't appreciate game.That's just Conor selling the fight. Khabib has every right to take it personally and let them sort it out in the Octagon. The trouble starts when people jump out of the Octagon and into the crowd and other stragglers jump in to attack fighters. That's where the problem lies, not in pre-fight banter.
By sticking boiled eggs up his bum
I just think to make a proper assessment on Conor's power, or lack thereof, in this division, you've got to consider those crucial factors. It was spoken about before the fight that Conor's got little pop beyond the 2nd round, and that's doubly so after grappling, and even more on top when it's someone as fatiguing as Khabib doing it.
Khabib sapped a lot of Conor's strength before going toe-to-toe with him in that silly He-Man contest they both shouldn't have been engaging in (both of them being a coach's nightmare there!) I would've thought that was suicidal from Khabib if he'd done it in the first when Conor was fresh, but he at least had the smarts to soften him up and Traveller him some before doing so.
Conor's big problem going up is these guys can hit back and hurt him so he can't shape up the same way he can in the lighter division. If his ego has him always having to prove some inane point, he's not even going in there and playing to his own strengths of timing and movement before striking. I never thought he was a grenade thrower in the simplest sense of the word, but in his own forte of timing, elusiveness and then throwing, I'm sure he'd carry the power to drop fighters in the 155's.
I do really doubt Conor has that fire and hunger for fighting that he says he has anymore, though. I don't think he's that fella who has a point to prove and is singularly focused like he used to be. As an actual fighter, that Mayweather money was the worst thing that could've happened to him. I would be immensely impressed if he stays in the fight game, lines up a big name, and actually fights like someone with the world against him. He's not in the sport for the right reasons anymore and I think it shows.
Brave lad. I'm sure that was worth the end of his UFC career.
Hasn't fought in the UFC in 2 years (lost his last fight). Will probably get a nice reward for his actions from Kadyrov when he goes home. Not entirely sure how he got a visa to enter the US in the first place.
He was never going to let Conor slide for calling him out as a traitor on Instagram and Zubaira did say in an interview with MMA Fighting earlier this week that he was going to go after Conor on the street after all this is done. Khabib's people care more about defending their honour and family than their MMA careers. Makhachev is going to get cut too.
And people wonder why Dagestani and Chechen fighters can't get US visas, and have to wind up doing fight night events in places like Brazil, Europe, and Asia.
It's a shame because so many of them are talented.
What an ass hole. He had a great career ahead.
"All unfortunate post fight antics aside, we got all our questions answered in the fight itself. @khabib_nurmagomedov is one truly special talent and that was a fecking mauling. I hope they sort out whatever legal issues arise from the post fight brawl, and I hope we never see anything like that again, but as a fan of mixed martial arts his performance was an amazing thing to watch."
Rogan is spot on here. Everyone knew this was going to be a stylistic referendum to see how a top class puncher would fare against a world class grappler and last night we got the answer to the question.
People say Khabib is boring but I found his style very entertaining. Maybe who he was facing factored into that but I'll definitely be looking out for his next fight.
Chael made a comment on this in the build up and about how we've see this fight 2 times already this year in Miocic v Ngannou and Till v Woodley. There'll only be 1 winner.
WTF does Kadyrov have to do with it? Khabib and his team are from Dagestan, Kadyrov is the head of Chechen Republic. Can you at least google stuff before posting?
As long as the Grappler has a solid chin and can fight on his feet, the boxers are in big trouble. It's also the case with Cormier.
He is talking about Tukhugov.
That question has been answered many times before in the UFC to be fair.
Zubaira Tukhugov (Khabib's teammate) is from Chechnya and Conor called him out on IG as a traitor for being with Dagestani people. Conor also called Kadyrov a 'crazy dictator' or something like that in the press conference and was basically trying to start shit between them.
”We give him [McGregor] his due. He is a great entertainer in the UFC, but lately he has acted like an outrageous clown who imagines himself to be a showman,” said Umarov. “What he blurted out at the press conference about Ramzan Kadyrov and Khabib Nurmagomedov’s father, apparently, he was trying to earn points. And this fact leads me to an alarming thought about the mental health of this man.
https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2018/9/...-outrageous-clown-mexican-cock-ramzan-kadyrov
This guy is from Grozny.
Turns out or resident Russian troll/ GRU rep didn’t bother to use the same google technology he recommended others use.
As a McGregor fan I just want to say that I know a lot of McGregor's actions have been way out of line but also two wrongs don't make a right. After seeing the fight here are my thoughts
- McGregor proved he has some level of ground game. He did a good job in defending some of the takedowns, particularly in the first round
- His striking however wasn't up to what we would expect
- Khabib proved his grappling is a really elite level
- The aftermath was horrible though. Seeing a "professional" jumping over the cage to attack a team is disgraceful. I know Conor has done a lot of bad things in the past which are unexcusable too but this kind of shit can cause fans to get seriously hurt. Also storming the cage to attack a fighter is terrible. Khabib's big moment will always be overshadowed by his horrendous actions
I don't watch much ufc. It made me feel uncomfortable
Seemed a very professional performance though...til after obviously.
OK, my fault. I thought you were talking about avars from his team.
P.S.Tuhugov may be from Grozny, but he lives in Moscow, though. My googling skills are brilliant, thank you.
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All fair points. Conor’s striking wasn’t there because he was far too preoccupied with defending Khabib shooting on him. Had Conor come out to brawl he may have had a bit more luck with a first round KO.
There’s no such weight class and Dana reiterated a few days ago that there won’t be.
GSP - Woodley would be a great fight though.