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Raoul said:
He's the best fighter in the division. If Whitaker wins then I will be mightily impressed.
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Hrs very hittable as we seen a few times including his last fight against branch. If he's defense is sloppy against bobby knuckles, he'll be in trouble.
 
Dirty Schwein said:
Hrs very hittable as we seen a few times including his last fight against branch. If he's defense is sloppy against bobby knuckles, he'll be in trouble.
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I think that was his strategy with Branch - to let him come forward until he gassed then take over later in the 1st and win in the 2nd. Whitaker will be a great fight since he is in great shape.
 


Valentina Shevchenko will fight UFC debutant Priscila Cachoeira (8-0) in her flyweight debut.

The fight will take place at UFC Belem in Brazil on February 3th.

Should be an easy fight for Bullet. A good warm up to the division. Her next fight will probably be for the title.
 
It would be a fairly boring fight since Valentina has already beaten her twice and is a significantly better and heavier fighter now.
 
Raoul said:
It would be a fairly boring fight since Valentina has already beaten her twice and is a significantly better and heavier fighter now.
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Agree, problem for Joanna is she may possess
the most exquisite striking but Valentina would just walk through her and whack her out, stone cold.
 
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RedFish said:
Agree, problem is for Joanna, you can have exquisite striking skills, bit forgetting Valentina's exceptional striking for a second, the problem for Joanna is that Valentina would just walk through her and just whack her stone cold out
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This is the fundemental problem with the 125 division (much as with 145 as well). They are attempting to shoe horn fighters into the division in order to get it off the ground, and in the process depleting other established divisions. There simply aren't enough ladies to populate all four divisions at this time.
 
Valentina beat her in a completely different sport 10 years ago, it's really not significant.

Raoul underrating one fighter and overrating the other.
 
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JP77 said:
Valentina beat her in a completely different sport 10 years ago, it's really not significant.

Raoul underrating one fighter and overrating the other.
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Shevchenko is a 135 fighter and Joanna is from the 115, so there's really no over or underrating going on. They have competed 3 times and Valentina won. I don't really care either way other than the fact that it will deplete the two existing divisions of their best fighters to fight in a division that may not even exist in a year. Just look at what happened to the 145 division after Holm and De Randamie fought nine months ago. De Randamie is now back at 135 and Holly is splitting her time between 135 and 145 in an attempt to scrounge up a title fight. This is not good for the 135s, especially now that Rousey and Tate are gone. Who is now left ? Nunes, Pena, Pennington, and Du Randamie. Not good.
 
Raoul said:
Shevchenko is a 135 fighter and Joanna is from the 115, so there's really no over or underrating going on. They have competed 3 times and Valentina won. I don't really care either way other than the fact that it will deplete the two existing divisions of their best fighters to fight in a division that may not even exist in a year. Just look at what happened to the 145 division after Holm and De Randamie fought nine months ago. De Randamie is now back at 135 and Holly is splitting her time between 135 and 145 in an attempt to scrounge up a title fight. This is not good for the 135s, especially now that Rousey and Tate are gone. Who is now left ? Nunes, Pena, Pennington, and Du Randamie. Not good.
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They fought in a different sport though and it was about 10 years ago. Just seems very silly to use that as an excuse for not wanting to see them fight in MMA.

Valentina may beat Joanna if it happens, who knows until it does though. For me it's an interesting and exciting fight between two top level fighters.

I don't see a comparison to 125 and 145. There's a genuine amount of women that wanted the 125 division. I think it'll certainly take time to develop and I completely get the issues with it potentially hurting 115 if the likes of Gadelha, Joanna, Andrade etc move to 125 (I think a few will move up and down between the divisions). I'm a patient guy though. Not everything happens overnight. It'll take time, they'll continue to search for talent for all of these divisions and ultimately they'll discover more stars and talent. No chance will this division be gone in a years time, what do you have to even back that idea up?
 
JP77 said:
They fought in a different sport though and it was about 10 years ago. Just seems very silly to use that as an excuse for not wanting to see them fight in MMA.

Valentina may beat Joanna if it happens, who knows until it does though. For me it's an interesting and exciting fight between two top level fighters.
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The fact that they've fought before in another sport doesn't somehow make this any less uninteresting. A 135 fighter v a 115 fighter is just not interesting and would be comparanly as silly as if Cormier fought Woodley at MW. Shevchenko is already one of the best fighters at BW so whats in it for her to fight Joanna other than a pay day and an artificial belt at 125 - a division with no other fighters.

JP77 said:
I don't see a comparison to 125 and 145. There's a genuine amount of women that wanted the 125 division. I think it'll certainly take time to develop and I completely get the issues with it potentially hurting 115 if the likes of Gadelha, Joanna, Andrade etc move to 125 (I think a few will move up and down between the divisions). I'm a patient guy though. Not everything happens overnight. It'll take time, they'll continue to search for talent for all of these divisions and ultimately they'll discover more stars and talent. No chance will this division be gone in a years time, what do you have to even back that idea up?
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Where are all these 125 women you speak of ? Are they perhaps 115 fighters who don't want to make their weight cuts and view 125 as a convenient way to not have to diet before fights ? Or are they one off fighters like Shevchenko who has been screwed by the judges at BW and views 125 as a convenient way to finally get her hands on a belt and future PPV points ? Other than that, I see no long waiting list of female fighters who are available for the 125 division. Once again, you can't do 125 or 145 decisions in women's UFC without depleting fighters from the 115 and 135 divisions. At that point you genuinely have to ask yourself what's the point ? You would have two new divisions with a small handful of fighters and two older divisions who have now been depleted of half their top talent.
 
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Lads I’m out in a pub atm what time you reckon the main card kick off cause I’m gonna feck off back to my digs to watch
 
Disappointing again from Mischa Cirkunov

He was the hope for this division and now two bad defeats and both shown serious holes

Hype officially over
 
These main cards finishing at 3am are doable. The cards that don't really start til 3 are a killer.
 
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