Zero interest in watching Bisping.
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Jones is just as good or better than both of them. People are just pissed because he can't get his life in order.
UFC 200 Lesnar v Hunt. Feck off.
I'll bet Dana is rueing his decision to take Conor off the card now.
Even without this fight this card is incredible, it's stacked from top to bottom. Obviously gutting to lose a fight like this from the card but it doesn't change this being one heck of a card.
They didn't need McGregor on this card. It's worked out well for them if anything with him instead being on 202, where he'll do really good numbers while 200 will also do monster numbers with a draw like Lesnar (the best draw there is) and plenty of support to back him up.
Still, if Jones can get busted this close to a card this big then that's at least a positive sign in terms of anti-doping?
The alternative is Mousasi or a non title fight. If those are the options, I'd rather see him just sit out of 200.
GSP was a better wrestler, striker and more then likely had better BJJ. Anderson had better striking and BJJ and despite a lack of wrestling, it rarely ever showed.
Talent wise I'd say it goes GSP, Silva, Jones and in terms of resume it would go Anderson, GSP then Jones. Performance wise GSP and Silva regularly put in spectacular performances in divisions that were far stronger then the LHW division Jones has been part of.
Silva has wins over Franklin, Henderson, Chael and Vitor, all at their peak. And aside from Chael he made short work of them. Also stepped up a division for a couple of fights and impressed in both with first round KO's. If his mate Lyoto wasn't at the top of LHW division, Silva would likely have put together a run and taken the LHW belt too.
Jones' reign has come at a time when the division is at its weakest. He's got great wins against Gustafsson and Cormier but all the other big name were past their prime (Rampage, Shogun, Lyoto) and Vitor was stepping up in weight to fight him.
Sherdog is up in arms about this. Apparently, USADA should have held of announcing the result until after the fight because its too late to find a replacement!
Sherdog is up in arms about this. Apparently, USADA should have held of announcing the result until after the fight because its too late to find a replacement!
Sounds fair.
I'll bet Dana is rueing his decision to take Conor off the card now.
Why would he though?
He's got Lesnar on this who generates millions of buys and Conor in a couple cards time to geenrate millions of buys.
If Conor was on 200 Lesnar wouldn't of been.
I believe Dana. Conor on 200 would have been overkill. 200 should generate record PPV's without him and Conor needed reminding who's boss.
People aren't really that enthusiastic about Lesnar 5 years on. He hasn't hyped up the Hunt fight and Hunt himself is a bit of a scrub in terms of draw.
Jones is a more complete fighter though. No one has as comprehensive and diverse an arsenal as him. Again, people are just hyperventilating a bit because Jones took away their weekend fun.
Yep, I'm really looking forward to the experience of it all. None of the fights are what I would call massive, marquee fights any more, but the event should be fun nonetheless. I'm really interested in the Aldo-Edgar fight in particular.
Fecks sake if he's guilty then I hope it's the last we see of him, can't do with the twat at the best of times!
DC - Texeira
DC - Gustafsson
Both possible imo.
DC - Gustafsson
Both possible imo.
Just seen the news. For fecks sake Jon. That's another stain on the legacy. Same as with Anderson people will be wondering whether he was on stuff the whole time. I mean if people are still juicing despite USADA then you can just imagine how practically everyone was before, but still it's always disappointing to have it confirmed.
Feel for DC, he might never get a chance to avenge his loss now and certainly not as good a chance, considering his age. On the bright side for DC no one can deny his title is legitimate now and his only loss is to someone who appears to have tested positive. He's a phenomenal fighter and a model professional and should start getting the respect that he deserves. I hope so anyway.
Feel for DC, he might never get a chance to avenge his loss now and certainly not as good a chance, considering his age. On the bright side for DC no one can deny his title is legitimate now and his only loss is to someone who appears to have tested positive. He's a phenomenal fighter and a model professional and should start getting the respect that he deserves. I hope so anyway.
Lesnar is the best draw in MMA history. There's huge buzz about his return.
Like I said, it's actually worked out great for them (prior to the Jones stuff obviously). This card doesn't need McGregor. They'll now do huge numbers both here and at 202, it's win/win for them.
As for DC, I think this has probably come too late to find him another matchup. Maybe he fights at 202 or even 201 instead. No clue who against though, it surely has to be one of Gus, Glover or Rumble. The issue is he's beaten both Gus and Rumble in his last two fights (I'd be more than happy to see him fight either again though). Glover is the only guy he hasn't fought around the top. Division really isn't in a great place right now despite having three ridiculously good fighters in the top 3.
That might've been the case but that was in another era. He's now just a one off WWE fighter who hasn't fought in years. I'll bet the house that 202 will easily outperform 200 now, since Conor's draw alone will outdraw all of this weekend's fights.
As for DC, he has to fight either Texeira or Gustafsson. Teixeira is in good form and was scheduled to fight Rumble in two weeks until AJ pulled out, and Gus is scheduled to fight in early Sep. There's no reason either couldn't fight DC at catchweight as both should be in good shape.
Well said.
Jones is still on probation, isn't he? Given he's had one parole violation already, this could be big trouble for him if he took a substance that was actually illegal?
Sherdog has always been good for photoshops but this is Olly level stuff
Surely only time can tell with that? The card hasn't even happened yet. I'd say Lesnar generated some huge main stream buzz the last few weeks. It's been on a lot of sports sites and more so than McGregor has been in the past.
Re your point over 202 probably outdrawing 200. You might be right mate only time will tell again. But look at it this way Conor on 200 = no Brock. Now they have their biggest PPV draw ever on 200 and their current biggest PPV draw on 202, that's a lot more money than just Conor on 200.
I don't think Lesnar added much to the card to be honest and certainly doubt he generated interest beyond that which was already generated before his fight was added. If this was the Lesnar of 2010 it would be different of course.
Fair enough. Each to their own I suppose. Personally reckon he's still their biggest draw (or close 2nd behind McGregor) for more casual fans of the sport. I'm more excited about Aldo vs. Edgar and was about DC vs. Jones but Lesnar does intrigue me to be honest.
Live video there of press conference if anyone wants to watch, can't find link on UFC YouTube
I'm two minutes in and this is a joke. Jones looks guilty as feck and admits as much and the bloke next to him says they'll fight the charges.
Now Jones is crying and has walked out. Fecking bollocks.
Now Jones is crying and has walked out. Fecking bollocks.
That was really awkward. Shame to see it end this way.. not just the title fight, but possibly his career. This taint is worse than Anderson imo, who was recovering from a horrible injury.
You're massively underestimating the the draw that is Brock Lesnar.
He's well past his prime, hasn't fought in ages and is a WWE star. If this were 2009-11 period then I would be on board, but that's ancient history now. Both Lesnar and the UFC have moved on. As it stands the hype up for the Hunt fight has been pretty poor.
His steroid use had nothing to with his injury. I don't know why people still perpetuate this myth. It's so naïve to think Anderson hadn't been on steroids his whole career. In the same way it's was naïve to think the likes of Jones weren't juicing. Justin Gatlin just set the fastest time in the world this year for the 100m. So either steroids don't work or it's not that hard to get around even the strictest random testing. MMA is built on steroid use. You think Anderson could have become an elite level fighter in pre usada UFC, Cage Rage and Pride, with the pathetic level of testing, if he wasn't using? You'd have to be insane not to have been on PED's before random testing. Prize fighting isn't about honour its about money, no matter what any of them say. When there are millions of dollars at stake and massive advantages to be gained by taking PEDs, only a total moron wouldn't have been on them pre usada and most still will be.
Jon Jones can sit there and cry. Anderson can blame tainted Viagra and his fans with cite his injury. But one thing is for sure, neither of them would give back the millions of dollars they've earned from the sport
if it meant the drug test result was reversed. At the end of the day all they are risking is their reputation, when they have so much more to gain. That's why virtually everyone uses PEDs. Crying in front of the media is a small price to pay for the fame and fortune that would almost certainly be out of reach without PED use.
Well past his prime and drawing power are two different things. In fact if this was 2009-11 and he'd be doing thing without anything inbetween his 2 losses, you are right, probably nothing major (500-700k buys). But they've played it perfectly right, blaming the life threatening illness and a big "what if" angle. He's a draw, bigger than anything else other than Ronda/Conor, but he was the one that put UFC to another level to allow those two to flourish anyway.
The problem with Lesnar imo, is he's a novelty character from the past who is probably worth a one off spectacle like 200, but little more thereafter. At 38 he's clearly not going to have the stamina he had in his late 20s early 30s, and there are no rivalries or villains for him to play off of now. At least back then, he could leverage the drama of his loss against Mir. Now there is no such drama that evokes a PPV draw. Same thing will probably happen with GSP at some point. He will come back for a one off payday and it won't be anything like how he was in his prime. The sport has moved to new, much higher plateau since Lesnar and GSP were king in their divisions with the likes of McGregor, Rousey, Jones et al.
Just really feel you're underrating Lesnar in all honesty. 200 will do big numbers. This isn't really even a debate about who's the biggest draw either, more your underrating of Lesnar.
You're judging him but can't really back any of it up with facts. The only facts out there are that he's one of the biggest draws MMA has ever seen. How big he'll sell now is a matter of waiting and seeing but there's nothing to back up the claim that he can't sell or do numbers like he once did. Stamina means nothing when it comes to numbers (and it's the Heavyweight division anyway!). Rivalries and villain stuff doesn't really come into play right now either as nobody knows if this will be a one shot deal or not (likely more if it goes well for Lesnar against Hunt). People want to see this because it's Brock Lesnar returning and he's a fecking beast.
Every number backs up Lesnar being a big draw. How long ago it was doesn't matter at all until a number comes out to prove he's not as big of a draw and I'm confident 200 won't be the night that happens. It's Brock Lesnar, you could put him against a plank of wood and he'd do good numbers. Just watch the press conference from yesterday, I think some people forget how much of a personality he has, everybody was lapping it up with him. There is a buzz for this return, surprised you feel there isn't mate.
4 hours for tonight's event!
Earlier start than I thought, not sure I'll stay up for the entire thing though, will try to watch it before I go out in the morning. Staying up the full way for TUF Finale and 200 though
Good chance Cormier still fights at 200 it seems, personally thought it'd be too late but Dana is working on it happening. UFC 202 conference about to start, McGregor/Diaz, should be fun as always.
Earlier start than I thought, not sure I'll stay up for the entire thing though, will try to watch it before I go out in the morning. Staying up the full way for TUF Finale and 200 though
Good chance Cormier still fights at 200 it seems, personally thought it'd be too late but Dana is working on it happening. UFC 202 conference about to start, McGregor/Diaz, should be fun as always.
Glad for DC he'll get the money from the card. Deserves it really he looked gutted when talking about Jones drug test, also looked like he'd struggled to make the weight never seen him look like that.
Looking forward to the presser I don't think it'll be happening any time soon if the past ones are anything to go by!!
Do you honestly think people who previously weren't going to buy 200 will do so now because Lesnar is involved ? The popularity of this event was done and dusted well before Lesnar was paired with the mighty Mark Hunt. The hype surrounding the fight simply isn't there. And also, any numbers about him being a big draw were tabulated when he big five plus years ago and not during the intervening time when he's been completely invisible from the UFC narrative.
Of course we'll never know though. Facts and history suggest Brock draws huge numbers. I reckon he does get a bunch of casual viewers to buy a PPV due to his name and stature. The reality is though there's not that much point in the debate as people can never prove Brock drew a lot of fans to the card but people can't prove the opposite either.
It's a big PPV without Brock but with him it probably is bigger and will get more numbers attached to it. I don't think his opponent matters to much the guy just is a draw.
If it's so set in stone the hype was done before Brock then the question is why bring him in? The UFC (i.e the company which knows how to market fights more than all of us) obviously see money in him, they're obviously paying him a lot of money as he makes it no secret thats his one big motivation. If the card was sold before Brock why not have Mark Hunt vs. some random heavyweight? It wouldn't make a difference and gets the UFC more money.
It's a big PPV without Brock but with him it probably is bigger and will get more numbers attached to it. I don't think his opponent matters to much the guy just is a draw.
If it's so set in stone the hype was done before Brock then the question is why bring him in? The UFC (i.e the company which knows how to market fights more than all of us) obviously see money in him, they're obviously paying him a lot of money as he makes it no secret thats his one big motivation. If the card was sold before Brock why not have Mark Hunt vs. some random heavyweight? It wouldn't make a difference and gets the UFC more money.
McGregor/Diaz conference wasn't anything to write home about, spent most of it complaining about the terrible mics, nothing to see here really.
TUF weigh in's currently happening, Joanna/Gadelha about to weigh in any minute now, so pumped for this fight.
TUF weigh in's currently happening, Joanna/Gadelha about to weigh in any minute now, so pumped for this fight.
so who is the brave man fighting DC?
ps. gonna watch the last episode of TUF before checking the weigh ins.
ps. gonna watch the last episode of TUF before checking the weigh ins.
Hopefully Texeira or Gus.
All over Twitter that it'll be Silva vs DC in a non title fight - as yet unconfirmed though.