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I would imagine that's embargoed, in which case he can't do it. In the Lesnar case, there were no pre-defined rules and he acted as any Journo would. UFC needs to stop behaving like they're in Munich circa 1936 and step into the present, where a free press exists and stakeholders can't control what is said about them. In this case, UFC obviously has a problem with leakers which is where Dana and Lorenzo need to be focusing their energy.
The sport is MMA and UFC is the promotion. The UFC gave him press credentials and can just as easily take it away. We've seen SAF do similar.
Without that access, Ariel won't be spoiling anymore news which is fine by me. He's there to provide coverage and add to the spectacle of sport, but at 199 he diluted it.
The UFC have fecked up too but Ariel can't act surprised at how he's been treated. He's been itching for a fight with Dana for a while now.
They can take credentials away, but they would be perceived as petty and childishly retaliatory for doing so, especially if Ariel wasn't told how to treat the information. If they have a leaker then that's where they need to focus their efforts. To ban the journo who has singlehandedly (among journos) raised the profile of MMA over the past decade is just a bad move.
Maybe Dana needs to figure out how better to deal with press issues where he doesn't have to tap dance around things like he did hours before the Helwani banning. The excuse he gives below is just a pathetically poor attempt at lying, which is probably why he got so pissed when Ariel put the truth out - it made Dana look like a deceptive jackass so they retaliated against Helwani.
Exactly
UFC should have briefed the press on Brock during fight week and then embargoed it. If they had no way would Helwani have broken that
Its not even pr spin. The UFC aren't asking journos to put a positive slant on stories etc. They are simply asking not to spoil the big reveals.
Is it great journalism to leak matchups minutes before the official announcement? The Lesnar announcement? In what realm is this great journalism?
It benifits nothing but Ariels twitter account.
GSP return is the next big surprise. Lets see what happens now.
Is it great journalism to leak matchups minutes before the official announcement? The Lesnar announcement? In what realm is this great journalism?
It benifits nothing but Ariels twitter account.
GSP return is the next big surprise. Lets see what happens now.
I think Brock will take hunt down fairly easy and grind him for 3 rounds
Obviously in terms of striking hunt will have the advantage
Obviously in terms of striking hunt will have the advantage
The thing is, they could have done that and it would still have got out via a third party.
This isn't TUF finalists. This would be Brock Lesner and UFC 200.
I'm not sure what the right answer is, but the UFC did it their way and were close to pulling it off at the weekend.
You are advocating that journalists aren't allowed to speculate about future fights ? Because that's where this sort of thing is leading to.
Nah it becomes an open secret and it leaks out. Journos may not be able to tweet about it but it would leak out to Sherdog / social media etc.
Theres nothing wrong with how UFC approached it. It went perfectly well until the biggest mouth in the industry decided to spill the beans.
Hell poor Joe Rogan hadnt a clue what was happening lol.
It always seemed the most likely. Should be quite fun.
Its not speculating though. Just hold off mere minutes and allow the UFC to make the announcements.
Its not just the news that he's breaking its the timing of it all.
Its technically all speculation since Ariel could've been wrong. He has great sources so he isn't, but that's not his problem, its the UFC leaker that is causing them all the embarrassment.
I knew it would be Hunt. Everyone else worth fighting is booked. I was going to say this on twitter but didn't want to have my subscription revoked for life 
Couple of good articles summing up the Helwani debacle.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ufc-s-...ds-to-be-fixed-immediately-001337459-mma.html
http://www.forbes.com/sites/mattcon...ning-mma-reporter-ariel-helwani/#51175f71688b
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ufc-s-...ds-to-be-fixed-immediately-001337459-mma.html
http://www.forbes.com/sites/mattcon...ning-mma-reporter-ariel-helwani/#51175f71688b
The thing with Helwani though, is the timing of his tweet. It was basically minutes (ok maybe more) before the UFC video went out. It has to be a very big co-incidence that he found out at that moment and got the story out (rather than sitting on it for a specific time). I have no doubt he knew what he was doing.
I can see both points of views, from a journalistic approach and also from UFCs POV.
Mark Hunt should be agood matchup for Brock. I think its a good fight to put against Brock.
I can see both points of views, from a journalistic approach and also from UFCs POV.
Mark Hunt should be agood matchup for Brock. I think its a good fight to put against Brock.
Yeah I agree with that really. Both sides probably think they're 100% right but they're not. It could of been handled better from everyone.
If you follow Helwani on Twitter he's doing the rounds today in the interviewing front as well, he's seemingly been on 3 in about an hour and also has his own show! I reckon he'll be banned from 200 but will be back at 201 or 1 or 2 after that maybe. He's been banned before hasn't he?
Hunt is a good fight for everyone. Potential to knock Brock out but if he goes to the ground Brock will beat him easily. Apparently in his interview he implied it isn't a 1 fight thing. I'd guess if he loses this it will be, if not he must have some desire to get back into it surely. The Heavyweight division especially is competitive but he'd fancy his chances against any of them including the champion.
"UFC risking credibility in mainstream sports arena" is a pretty bad story, especially when the mainstream outlets are picking up on it. Even if the UFC weren't wrong to ban him, they were definitely stupid to do so.
Still love the promo
It was Lorenzo who supposedly wanted him out, not Dana. And to think, Lorenzo has the reputation for being the reasonable one.
Mark Hunt? Jesus, that's a tougher fight that I thought he'd get.
Also, does Brock know that they actually test for PEDs in the UFC now?
Also, does Brock know that they actually test for PEDs in the UFC now?
Ariel is spilling ALL the beans on his show. Can't see any way back for him after this.
He's crying now, this is surreal.
This is sad as feck. Potentially ruining his career. Pure scum. Just pure fecking scum that run the UFC.
Watched it all. A lot we had kind of guessed as for why he is no longer with fox
One thing that he hit on that he didn't go into was that things got "physical" during an incident in April 2014
No idea what that is about.
One thing that he hit on that he didn't go into was that things got "physical" during an incident in April 2014
No idea what that is about.
Apparently Dana's bodyguard roughed him up.
"Brock was super pissed he suggested they do certain things to me"
I highly doubt Brock said that, Brock couldn't give two shits about who broke the story. I've lost a lot of respect for Dana White. He's an arsehole.
I highly doubt Brock said that, Brock couldn't give two shits about who broke the story. I've lost a lot of respect for Dana White. He's an arsehole.
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Although Ariel says that Brock is just toying around by saying he doesn't know him. However it really makes no sense that Brock would be angry. He doesn't give a shit.
A lot of double standards going on here in defence of Helwani. Arguments for him are that he is a journalist and he has no incentive not to spoil and report a big reveal planned by the UFC despite them asking him not to. But at the same time, the UFC are not allowed to then ban him for breaking a reveal that they had planned when they requested he keep quiet on this one.
It's called good faith people. If Ariel shows the UFC none then they have no incentive themselves to show him good faith and allow him to come into their company. I'm sure all of the other journalists who showed them good faith and kept quiet on this will be rewarded with more good faith at press conferences and fighter interviews/inside scoops. T UFC have no reason to allow Ariel access into their inside quarters. They do it because he garners interest in their company. When he starts to actively screw over the UFC, they have all the right to cut him off.
It's called good faith people. If Ariel shows the UFC none then they have no incentive themselves to show him good faith and allow him to come into their company. I'm sure all of the other journalists who showed them good faith and kept quiet on this will be rewarded with more good faith at press conferences and fighter interviews/inside scoops. T UFC have no reason to allow Ariel access into their inside quarters. They do it because he garners interest in their company. When he starts to actively screw over the UFC, they have all the right to cut him off.
Why do you think his return was only announced a month out from the fight? He has been juicing since April with no drug testing since he isnt an active fighter.
Ariel all over the shop in that podcast. UFC control the pre and post match shows. No shit Ariel.
I thought it was his job to report everything he knew? So how does he have secrets in reserve to spill?
What makes you think they told him anything in terms of 'breaking a reveal' ?
Did you read the bit where UFC security took Helwani backstage where White told him he should feck off to cover Bellator.
I find him quite whiney.
Horrible stuff from Brock. He obviously didn't want to piss Dana off by getting into it.
Does he have to be told? He didnt even contact UFC to clear it or get a comment so how would UFC know to tell him?
He doesn't have to contact them. They are not his employers. He's simply doing what any good journalist would do.
He tweeted it. Just to be the guy with the inside scoop. For his own personal glory.
I'm siding with the UFC on this one. They shot a great promo for 200, they have a good card with some great fights, then there's Lesnar at the end. Boom! Everyone's hyped.
And Helwani has to go and spoil it by leaking it ahead of schedule. Then he's whining on his podcast and crying because they booted him out. He's been trolling them, Dana especially, for years. This is his comeuppance.
I'm siding with the UFC on this one. They shot a great promo for 200, they have a good card with some great fights, then there's Lesnar at the end. Boom! Everyone's hyped.
And Helwani has to go and spoil it by leaking it ahead of schedule. Then he's whining on his podcast and crying because they booted him out. He's been trolling them, Dana especially, for years. This is his comeuppance.
There is no damage to the UFC here. It's not as if people were not going to be hyped about UFC 200 just because Helwani and not Dana White broke the news. They are simply being coercive because they have a leaker and instead of addressing it they are going after Ariel, who did what all good journalists would do.
If there was someone like him for football a real ITK he would be treated as a god on here at this time of the year, its not his fault he reports what info he has received, its how you make it big in that business, its not like he is tapping Dana's phone.
If the UFC want to blame someone its the rat in there house who's at fault, funny thing is Ariel will more than likely still be in contact with the rat and still have info.
If the UFC want to blame someone its the rat in there house who's at fault, funny thing is Ariel will more than likely still be in contact with the rat and still have info.