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I'm calling it now. Best card ever. The epic brawl in the first prelim set the tone for the night.
Rockhold is a prick. Bisping will probably lose it to Weidman but it doesn't matter, this is the happiest I've been after a fight.
Probably because of the Brock news...what a pathetic overreaction.
Oh and Dana White is a cnut.
Oh and Dana White is a cnut.
So happy for Bisping right now, we all lost our shit when he won. I just didn't see how he could do it, shades of Anderson - Weidman. Luke being so nonchalant and Bisping made him pay. First UFC champ from the UK and he is a United fan, couldn't write it better myself!!! 
But on the other hand Ariel Helwani has got a life ban from the UFC for breaking the Lesnar story.
But on the other hand Ariel Helwani has got a life ban from the UFC for breaking the Lesnar story.
Ariel made a choice and he has to take the consequences. If he were leaking news from the Game Of Thrones or Star Wars set he would get shunned from them as well.
That UFC video hyping UFC 200 would have been one of the most epic reveals of all time and Ariel took that away. At the very last minute too.
If Ariel was told this news by someone lining up the video and knew it would be revealed within the hour then he deserves this imo.
That UFC video hyping UFC 200 would have been one of the most epic reveals of all time and Ariel took that away. At the very last minute too.
If Ariel was told this news by someone lining up the video and knew it would be revealed within the hour then he deserves this imo.
Bisping continuing to humiliate Rockhold in the post fight presser. Serves Luke right for getting emotional and saying he's going to kill him next time.
Rockhold just got bodied in the press conference. 'Actually I think you're medically suspended so shut the feck up' 
It went down exactly tbe same as their sparring session.so technically its 2-1 to me.
Bisping really sending it home..
Bisping really sending it home..
Woke up at 6 and started watching. One of those incredible HOLY feckING SHIT moments.
Wow. Just wow.
Wow. Just wow.
Apparently Fedor v Brock is agreed in principle for 200
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Wanted to get a few more hours sleep but buzzing after that.
UFC 200 is hands down the greatest card in the history of MMA too, huge numbers incoming. Seriously, that card was incredible and now they've added Lesnar to it, my word.
UFC 200 is hands down the greatest card in the history of MMA too, huge numbers incoming. Seriously, that card was incredible and now they've added Lesnar to it, my word.
I'm sure it's been said before but Dan Henderson and his wife are just a real life Ricky and Carley Bobby
Get in Mike!!! Huge win. So happy.
Completely agree. I may have shouted out loud and woke the neighbourhood up
Completely agree. I may have shouted out loud and woke the neighbourhood up
WTF....just got off a flight and learned about the Bisping result. I'm going out of the prediction business.
They won't fight again since Bisping will probably opt for Jacare and lose.
Brilliant upset from Bisping. Should teach that tosser Rockhold not to underestimate your opponent.
Did Henderson and Lombard have some kind of beef? 2 completely uncalled for elbows by Henderson, what a prick.
Are you serious? How is that even comparable? He doesn't work for the UFC, he's an independent journalist, it's his job to get the inside scoop. Dana and the Lorenzos, those two bit Mafia juice heads, are just scum, pure and utter scum.
Hendo always likes a few just in case shots after his knockouts
The worst one ever was when he KO'd Bisping cold and still followed up with a full force fist
Dana got him his job as Fox. He built his reputation and contacts through that job and was used by the UFC to break big news to the public.
As a reporter with fecking Fox he broke news ahead of big announcements time and time again that Fox had to let him go. He went into overdrive since his firing and now he suffers the consequences.
Either Ariel knew this beforehand and waited just before the official reveal or he found out at the even itself. Option A is a dick move and option B actually means UFC banning him make sense.
A lot of reporters have information they do not publish. A lot of off the record stories that cannot be used. Ariel just mouths everything and this leads the UFC towards hostility with all of the press. This sort of unnecessary one upping hurts reporters more than it helps. His performance at the press conference post McGregor retirement was a disgrace, playing to the bleachers with bis incessant badgering of questions that would never have got an answer. Why ask a 4th time when he was rebuffed time and time again?
UFC have a job to do. Stop the leaks. Banning the one man who reports these leaks is common sense. What did Ariel expect UFC to do? Oh gosh we cant keep anything away from you Ariel. Here have this press pass that you somehow have a God given right to and go mingle with all the UFC brass. See what you can get..
I can't believe Bisping did it! That was incredible, his post fight reaction and comments made it even better. You could see in the fight how Rockhold didn't respect him in the fight, he looked completely dismissive of Bisping's chances.
So many years in the UFC and he's finally managed to get the gold. Truly incredible story of hard work, perseverance and self belief.
So many years in the UFC and he's finally managed to get the gold. Truly incredible story of hard work, perseverance and self belief.
The post fight press conference was great all in all a fantastic event.
all in all a fantastic event.Didnt see it happening, but so happy it did. Fantastic stuff, and first UK champ. Happy for Bisping, he deserves bigger fights imo.
The Helwani stuff is mad. I can see why UFC would be fecking pissed cos that UFC200 video was amazing, but yeah, the shock factor was gone and all directed towards Ariels tweet. But then it also depends on how he got the information (journalist afterall). Its the same reason WWE hate "dirtsheets" who provide spoilers. I do think UFC should be more aligned with these guys (and if they find out, state, not to spoil it). I dunno, its a hard one cos I like Ariels stuff.
The Helwani stuff is mad. I can see why UFC would be fecking pissed cos that UFC200 video was amazing, but yeah, the shock factor was gone and all directed towards Ariels tweet. But then it also depends on how he got the information (journalist afterall). Its the same reason WWE hate "dirtsheets" who provide spoilers. I do think UFC should be more aligned with these guys (and if they find out, state, not to spoil it). I dunno, its a hard one cos I like Ariels stuff.
Just reading about Ariel's banning.
I'm a huge fan of his, so it's bad news for me. What we need to know is if the Brock story was embargoed or not.
I can understand why UFC would be pissed, but news like this they should have informed journo's before the event and embargoed it. Problem solved
I'm a huge fan of his, so it's bad news for me. What we need to know is if the Brock story was embargoed or not.
I can understand why UFC would be pissed, but news like this they should have informed journo's before the event and embargoed it. Problem solved
But UFC and wwe aren't the same. I realise Brock returning is big news....but should it be treated like a surprise return storyline like in wwe? That's pretty much what they tried to do last night.
It would be like Utd having a new transfer that nobody knows about and suddenly bring him out from behind a curtain.
I can see both sides. I wouldn't say it's comparable to Game of Thrones spoilers or something though really, it's not like the show is pre recorded and he's giving spoilers for fights. It's surely more like a football journalist saying we're getting Mourinho for example and then getting banned from our press conferences for telling the truth? It's a bit odd. I'm sure it's nice for the UFC to announce the stuff but unfortunately in the world of sport stuff gets leaked, it's a journalists job.
As for the card, best event I'e seen. Happy for Bisping as well guy deserves it and the post fight press conference was hilarious. I don't see the point in an immediate rematch (I didnt for Weidman either) they both lost in a convincing way so what's the point? Give someone else a chance it's how you get stuff like tonight.
Dave Meltzer works with mmafighting.com as well and was told not go say anything on the subject (irony)
He did state that there is more to the story. Brock returning is huge news. To reach an agreement with WWE, film his promo etc means a lot of people knew. There are crossover reporters for both companies who would have known.
Hell Brock has been training mma since April! There had to have been others that would have loved to break this news but decided not to.
Do we honestly think Brocks opponent doesn't know he's fighting Lesnar one month out?
UFC is a unique company to report on. It's not like the NFL etc that have this fixed fan base and news is need in a sporting sense. They rely on ratings and ppv buys so depend on big reveals and having a buzz around the product for their events to be a success. They need news to come out and have an instant impact, news trickling out like a stream completely dilutes its worth.
He did state that there is more to the story. Brock returning is huge news. To reach an agreement with WWE, film his promo etc means a lot of people knew. There are crossover reporters for both companies who would have known.
Hell Brock has been training mma since April! There had to have been others that would have loved to break this news but decided not to.
Do we honestly think Brocks opponent doesn't know he's fighting Lesnar one month out?
UFC is a unique company to report on. It's not like the NFL etc that have this fixed fan base and news is need in a sporting sense. They rely on ratings and ppv buys so depend on big reveals and having a buzz around the product for their events to be a success. They need news to come out and have an instant impact, news trickling out like a stream completely dilutes its worth.
Again, there's 2 sides to the story. UFC doesn't really need the likes of Helwani anymore and he does seem to of been releasing news in a way to piss off the UFC timing wise but since they fired him he now has a job to do. It's probably counter productive as well as I'd imagine he'll just get worse with it so they can't really win. The fact there's top level fighters saying they think it's harsh (DC and Jones) and the fact it's spread quite quickl I think they'll probably regret it somewhat.
I don't get the point about the big reveal bit. Maybe I'm reading it wrong though, they revealed the Lesnar story on a PPV. You imply they need these big reveals for ratings...no one was buying the PPV to watch a UFC Promo which may have featured Brock Lesnar. If anything the most popular MMA journalist trickling it out probably created a buzz, especially with how the promo was done with Lesnar appearing after the thing had finished.
They UFC is right to be pissed off, the want to reveal their stories and get the retweets and the likes etc but the same is true with Mourinho and United or Guardiola and City...unfortunately for them a journalists job is to report news which may mean they're stealing the thunder. Essentially the journalists are actively promoting the UFC by doing it as well so to ban him for life just seems a bit over the top for me.
Well it depends what UFC wanted, which pretty much sees me agree with your post right before this. If UFC wanted to be the one breaking it, they really should have embargoed the story. If they did and Helwani still went ahead, then I can see why he would be blackballed. But saying that Ialso agree with @Oggmonster - the Helwani story (which was still a rumour) made me want to see if UFC and WWE were going to make it official - and if so UFC199 was the best place for it.
I can see Dana being asked about this soon. Not that he will tell the whole truth.
Great to see Bisping put him on his ass. Although I have nothing against Rockhold, I do like to see divisions get shaken up a bit.
Even more entertaining for me was Cruz-Faber. Cruz must be one of the most irritating opponents you could possibly meet. Unorthodox doesn't even begin to describe him. For all of his talk prior to the fight, Faber had the look of a man who knew he'd been well and truly outclassed, as well as one who has no future in the title picture as long as Cruz is around. Not that his age does him any favours anyway. I just hope that Cruz can somehow stay fit, as he's one fighter I can always watch.
Even more entertaining for me was Cruz-Faber. Cruz must be one of the most irritating opponents you could possibly meet. Unorthodox doesn't even begin to describe him. For all of his talk prior to the fight, Faber had the look of a man who knew he'd been well and truly outclassed, as well as one who has no future in the title picture as long as Cruz is around. Not that his age does him any favours anyway. I just hope that Cruz can somehow stay fit, as he's one fighter I can always watch.
He's a journalist, it's what they do. They break stories before other journos do and sometimes before the official announcement is made. To criticize Helwani for doing his job is a bit strange. I can see how a journo in a Russia, North Korea, or China context would be escorted out by security, but certainly not in a free society.
I was lucky, I learned through the video
especially after the video of Ali and praising him for, ya know, speaking his mind, etc.