This is such an intriguing match up. Conor's wide karate stance is in stark contrast to Aldo's traditional Muay Thai one. Aldo kicks to attack the leg, Conor's kicks attacks the body. Historically a MT based fighter wins most of the time but Conor's hand accurray and reach will be a problem for Aldo imo. Neither fighter has fought anything like each other. Aldo has to attack Conor's leg. No one has attacked Conor's lead leg and no one can do it better than Aldo. If you haven't seen it you should check out this fight between Rick Roufus(brother of Anthony Pettis head coach and one of Roufus Academy coaches) and Kiatsongrik. Two greats of very different styles.
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This is such an intriguing match up. Conor's wide karate stance is in stark contrast to Aldo's traditional Muay Thai one. Aldo kicks to attack the leg, Conor's kicks attacks the body. Historically a MT based fighter wins most of the time but Conor's hand accurray and reach will be a problem for Aldo imo. Neither fighter has fought anything like each other. Aldo has to attack Conor's leg. No one has attacked Conor's lead leg and no one can do it better than Aldo. If you haven't seen it you should check out this fight between Rick Roufus(brother of Anthony Pettis head coach and one of Roufus Academy coaches) and Kiatsongrik. Two greats of very different styles.
Ya, a 25 minute grueling war with an insane tempo. A 25 minute battle that is one of the greatest fights in UFC history where both guys were rocked multiple times. A 25 minute grueling war where Mendes took signficant damage. A fight where Mendes didn't gas.
Versus a 2 round fight where Mendes took Connor down 4x, laid on top of him hardly working and gassed out after 7 minutes. A two round fight where Connor landed barely anything standing before the finish and got tagged repeatedly by someone giving up an 8 inch reach.
I wonder what the difference there is.
Yes he did. He moved to half guard, side control, mount briefly and then almost took his back.
McGregor was getting a lot of shots in even when on his back. Menses elbows cut him but it didn't look like it hurt him at all. It was pretty comprehensive and it was only a matter of time before he caught him hard.
Well I said that Aldo couldn't beat him over 25 minutes. Whereas Conor TKO'd him in two rounds.
You asked if I missed the first fight, I said did you miss the second fight, which is the one I was talking about.
Aldo beat Mendes by KO in UFC 142! 3 1/2 years ago! This was UFC 189! Aldo and Mendes' second fight was UFC179, not even a year ago mate. That's the point I'm making. The first result is not even worth talking about its so long ago. You can earn a black belt in Aikido/Kenpo in that amount of time ffs.
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Landed barely anything? What...
I don't disagree with some of the stuff you said but he hit him a lot while standing. Also did a lot of damage to the body, that spinning back kick was a beauty.
Which in less that 30 seconds the fight was back to its feet.
Your point about Aldo needing 5 rounds is obviously negated by the fact that Aldo has also done it in 1 - presumably against Mendes who had a full camp to prepare, so there's not much of a point left is there.
BJ would destroy ConorBJ Penn has gotta be up there as well. Imagine Conor vs BJ in his prime.
Sure but BJ fought at LW/WW though. Id have to put Gomi and Pettis in there too.BJ Penn has gotta be up there as well. Imagine Conor vs BJ in his prime.
Aldo did it in one when he cheated and grabbed the fence to stop himself being taken down, to be fair.
Fair enough.
No its not, because it was 3 1/2 years ago ffs. Do you think that Aldo / Mendes are the same fighter today that they were then? Are you the same person you were 3 1/2 years ago today? No, so the fight is irrelevant today. Yes history shows he KO'd him. But Aldo now is not Aldo then, and neither is Mendes.
Who cares whether it was 3.5 years ago. It still happened and is fair game to be used as a point when comparing past performances.
Would be a great fight.
IMO I think the last result is the most important one to use for the comparison. If using every past performance is how you roll then that's up to you.
Before the finish? Connor was not landing a lot. Most of those spinning kicks were glancing and Chad was giving as good as he got in their fisticuff exchanges. It's not like Connor put some intense beat down on him when they were standing. I could see Chad tiring 2 minutes into the first round. You can spin it however you want, but Connor was not affecting Chads gas tank so much as Chad didn't have one for this fight.
McGregor reminds me a little bit of Condit, great on the feet, iron chin, suspect wrestling, but busy on the ground and can still do damage. But McGregor has more power and can bully guys in the featherweight division with it.
I thought Mendes was coming out to Hughes' entrance song. Now there's a UFC wrestler worth talking about..
Yyyyyeeeeesssss! He's the real deal and nobody can deny that! Aldo is shitting his pants and if you say otherwise you're lying.
I think you're spinning it more. McGregor landed a very hard spinning back kick to the body, he also tagged him pretty hard a few times, landed 74 strikes overall in two rounds. Impressive.
BJ might win but destroy is a big word.
Whilst McGregor had more strikes, Mendes was more accurate. According to Fight metric
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You're wasting your breath.
You're being awfully defensive. Maybe McGregor could learn a thing or two from you?
On a serious note, Im actually a big McGregor fan and am glad he won. However this fight confirmed some legitimate concerns people have about him and that's OK. It's upto him to come back and squash those concerns.
And Im sorry, I don't buy the whole you don't need a training camp thing. Both fighters were in the same boat in terms of only knowing who they would fight in 2 weeks time. However McGregor was training for a world title fight for months. Psychologically you're putting in am extra 10% knowing that.
At the highest order of sport, people are constantly searching for those extra 1 And 2% that help them so in my mind, undoubtedly McGregor was more prepared for this fight and still took a beatdown.
But the most important thing; his hand was raised after the fight and the belt is around his waist. And Im glad it is. I can't wait to see him defend it.
How long more can Conor last in this weight class, he looked really gaunt.
The point he made was that McGregor didn't land much. Which isn't true. And Mendes landed over half of his strikes from the ground, of course they're more accurate...
Can you logically run down why you believe this to be true? What do you define as the real deal? Nobody doubted that Connor was good and among the best in the division. Aldo shitting his pants? Why would Aldo be scared? Aldo just watched Connor McGregor fight a guy who took the fight on 2 weeks notice that he has fought twice before when the guy was at his absolute best, winning by stoppage in one round (or two?) and then in a grueling 25 minute war.
Connor didn't do anything tonight to dispell the doubts about his place at the top of the division. He beat a guy who was gassing after two minutes.
This is what I saw and I think we can all agree with.
Chad came into this fight without a full gas tank. Connor attacked his gas tank. A tired Chad took Connor down virtually at will. Connor was able to get up when a tiring Chad went for submissions. Connor hits hard, has a solid chin, and is very hittable.
Beyond that what did we learn? Enlighten me please.
I think those elbows on the ground he landed most, if not all. That will make a difference. He also landed a couple of good left overhands on the feet. Also its pretty normal for fightmetric to review and adjust their stats hours or even a few days after the fight so id wait for the stats to 'settle' a bit.
He is a hero here in Iceland
Which seems to be the case. Conor didn't hit him with that much, certainly nothing like his striking in his previous bouts.
Conor just has incredible power in that left, it's scary. He rocked him and that was all she wrote. Almost everything prior to that was Mendes.
Aye, I know they will probably alter them. Only going on the recent data at hand. For me that was McGregors worst fight by some distance. He also looked a bit sketchy even against Siver, but tonight was different story. Exposed his very weak mat game and Mendes done well standing with him too I thought.
He hit him 74 times in two rounds. Rounds that he spent time on his back, and still managed to hit him 74 times.
Two sites with different results, Both tell similar story though. McGregor threw lot more at him but Mendes was far more accurate. I personally don't think it was that uneven when they stood toe to toe.
Honestly, if Mendes did have a full training camp I'd imagine he'd of probably won it convincingly with his wrestling. He gassed out and at that point it was game over.
I have no idea what your point about accuracy is, Mendes threw a lot less, and landed more than half his shots from the ground, what is the point here? It was clearly uneven when they stood toe to toe because McGregor was hurting Mendes when he landed, Mendes wasn't.
Those two weeks to prepare really told in my opinion.
Also, the Mendes/McGregor fight was basically shit. I mean, it might have been ok as a main event on any other card. On this card? Following the Rory/Robbie war for the ages, I mean, I hardly cared about Mendes McGregor by the time it started.
Comedians talk about following someone who just had a killer set and they know as they walk out on stage nobody is going to give a shit about them. I kind feel like that's what happened here. After Robbie and Rory that fight was going to be a massive emotional let down for everyone in attendance other than those Irishmen.
Comedians talk about following someone who just had a killer set and they know as they walk out on stage nobody is going to give a shit about them. I kind feel like that's what happened here. After Robbie and Rory that fight was going to be a massive emotional let down for everyone in attendance other than those Irishmen.
The point about accuracy is Mendes was doing damage, McGregors striking was poor. They were glancing blows and not really doing any major damage other than the heel strikes (two in the first I remember) and then the left that ended it.
I don't think as many of Mendes strikes came from the ground position as you suggest, re watching it here for 3rd time and it is very even. I fully expect the stats to change in the coming days.
I suggest you go back and watch it again, Mendes dominated him in the first.
I'm looking forward to Nuck's excuses after McGregor knocks out Aldo or Edgar.
There is no doubt that Mendes would have been better prepared for the fight with a full camp and there is no doubt that McGregor had the edge in terms of preparation because of that. But you're also pointing out how his ground game is so suspect. Well how about a 2-3 month camp where McGregor is training to fight a grappler. Everyone (mostly Nucks) is saying how this has exposed his weakness and a decent wrestler with a full camp will beat him easily. Well isn't it fair to assume he'd be much better equipped to fight a wrestler if he had 2-3 months preparing for one. This 'hole' in his game mightn't seem so big when he actually trains to for a fight like that.
McGregor wasn't prepared for a wrestler. He fought one of the best, if not the best, in the division, was taken to ground four times and still stood up to knock him out impressively. Credit where it's due Nucks, he's the one to beat in the division now.
There is no doubt that Mendes would have been better prepared for the fight with a full camp and there is no doubt that McGregor had the edge in terms of preparation because of that. But you're also pointing out how his ground game is so suspect. Well how about a 2-3 month camp where McGregor is training to fight a grappler. Everyone (mostly Nucks) is saying how this has exposed his weakness and a decent wrestler with a full camp will beat him easily. Well isn't it fair to assume he'd be much better equipped to fight a wrestler if he had 2-3 months preparing for one. This 'hole' in his game mightn't seem so big when he actually trains to for a fight like that.
McGregor wasn't prepared for a wrestler. He fought one of the best, if not the best, in the division, was taken to ground four times and still stood up to knock him out impressively. Credit where it's due Nucks, he's the one to beat in the division now.