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Yep, someting looked a bit different about her indeed.

I'd like to see Big Country against either one of Cain or JDS. He'll probably get picked apart like Hunt but all he needs is one lucky hit to change the fight.
 
Hunt is just a tough fecking dude.

I'm not sure how much work he puts into his conditioning these days because he tends to gas out about 3/4 of the way through the first.

Perhaps it is the round length, but watching his old K1 fights, he had a much better gas tank. A Hunto with a gas tank would be all conquering.
 
Yep, someting looked a bit different about her indeed.

I'd like to see Big Country against either one of Cain or JDS. He'll probably get picked apart like Hunt but all he needs is one lucky hit to change the fight.

Big Country is fighting Stipe Miocic next on the 15th of June, bit of a waste considering he's on a nice little run at the moment. Not really interested in seeing him against JDS again but I would love to see Roy vs Overeem.
 
Yep, someting looked a bit different about her indeed.

I'd like to see Big Country against either one of Cain or JDS. He'll probably get picked apart like Hunt but all he needs is one lucky hit to change the fight.

No, just no.

Country got demolished by JDS already. Fair dues to him, he took one of the biggest beatdowns you'll see and survived, but there's just no need for anybody to be seeing that again. Nelson is a massive level below the top guys.

JDS did exactly what I expected against Hunt and basically tore through him while also showing he's got a bloody brilliant chin too, as he took a few shots from Hunt throughout the fight too. Still say he's better than Cain and will prove that when they meet again.
 
Big Country is fighting Stipe Miocic next on the 15th of June, bit of a waste considering he's on a nice little run at the moment. Not really interested in seeing him against JDS again but I would love to see Roy vs Overeem.

No, just no.

Country got demolished by JDS already. Fair dues to him, he took one of the biggest beatdowns you'll see and survived, but there's just no need for anybody to be seeing that again. Nelson is a massive level below the top guys.

JDS did exactly what I expected against Hunt and basically tore through him while also showing he's got a bloody brilliant chin too, as he took a few shots from Hunt throughout the fight too. Still say he's better than Cain and will prove that when they meet again.

Damn, I forgot that they fought a while back, my bad. Sometimes I wish I had a memory.
 
No, just no.

Country got demolished by JDS already. Fair dues to him, he took one of the biggest beatdowns you'll see and survived, but there's just no need for anybody to be seeing that again. Nelson is a massive level below the top guys.

JDS did exactly what I expected against Hunt and basically tore through him while also showing he's got a bloody brilliant chin too, as he took a few shots from Hunt throughout the fight too. Still say he's better than Cain and will prove that when they meet again.

I had to re-watch that fight because I don't remember it being as bad as you made out.

You're massively, massively overstating JDS performance in the fight with Big Country. He hit him with everything he had - which wasn't much in the variety stakes - and still couldn't take him out, not only that, he got caught with a few shots that wobbled him as well.

Big Country is a better fighter now than he was then as well - I think he would bring more to the table if they fought again.

Not to say he would win, but it certainly wouldn't be one-sided or a no contest, the first was hardly that and the second wouldn't be either.
 
I had to re-watch that fight because I don't remember it being as bad as you made out.

You're massively, massively overstating JDS performance in the fight with Big Country. He hit him with everything he had - which wasn't much in the variety stakes - and still couldn't take him out, not only that, he got caught with a few shots that wobbled him as well.

Big Country is a better fighter now than he was then as well - I think he would bring more to the table if they fought again.

Not to say he would win, but it certainly wouldn't be one-sided or a no contest, the first was hardly that and the second wouldn't be either.

So is JDS.

I tend to agree that Cain and JDS are on another level to everyone else in that division.

It'd be a massive upset to see either lose to anyone other than each other.
 
So is JDS.

I tend to agree that Cain and JDS are on another level to everyone else in that division.

It'd be a massive upset to see either lose to anyone other than each other.

Do you think JDS has improved by the same degree as Nelson? It's highly likely he'd win on points, again, because at a base level, he'll always outwork and outscore Nelson, but I think Nelson has improved more, compared to himself of that time, than JDS has, which shortens the gap and makes it a more interesting fight for the reasoning that Nelson's improved guile and ringmanship gives him more chances of a shock/upset.

'On another level' is a misleading thing to say because JDS looks fallible at times and can be clipped/tagged, as opposed to a Jones or Anderson in their respective divisions. I think Cain is another beast entirely because of the variety in his game.
 
I had to re-watch that fight because I don't remember it being as bad as you made out.

You're massively, massively overstating JDS performance in the fight with Big Country. He hit him with everything he had - which wasn't much in the variety stakes - and still couldn't take him out, not only that, he got caught with a few shots that wobbled him as well.

Big Country is a better fighter now than he was then as well - I think he would bring more to the table if they fought again.

Not to say he would win, but it certainly wouldn't be one-sided or a no contest, the first was hardly that and the second wouldn't be either.

It was a battering. You can try to mask it all you want. Nelson deserves credit for surviving, but realistically it was JDS smashing him for three rounds. Nelson's only real hope was a massive haymaker (which he kept trying to throw) or taking Dos Santos down (which he failed massivley at). JDS was just too quick and much better conditioned as well as being on a completely different level technically. It wasn't even really a contest and Nelson is hardly a better fighter now than what he was back then.

Dos Santos has good enough take down defence to stop Nelson taking him down and that leaves Nelson with one hope which is landing a big shot. JDS has also shown he can take a shot and shrug it off. Not even comparable and there'd be no reason what so ever to ever book a rematch between the two. JDS is without a shadow of a doubt a better fighter than he was then too and I still have him ahead of Cain and am confident he'll get the title back when they meet again.

In other news, Zingano is injured (:() and so Tate now steps in to coach TUF against Ronda and she also get's the title shot :drool: The only downside is possibly seeing or hearing from the biggest cnut in MMA in Caraway throughout it all.
 
It was a battering. You can try to mask it all you want. Nelson deserves credit for surviving, but realistically it was JDS smashing him for three rounds. Nelson's only real hope was a massive haymaker (which he kept trying to throw) or taking Dos Santos down (which he failed massivley at). JDS was just too quick and much better conditioned as well as being on a completely different level technically.
I watched the fight back last night. I have no idea when you last watched it, or what you consider a battering, but to me, you're exaggerating far too much. If I hadn't seen the fight, I'd think JDS wiped the floor with him, was unscathed and just as sharp in the last round as he was in the first. None of those things happened and the pace and impact slowed considerably from the first to the rest of the rounds - at the pace of the 2nd and 3rd rounds, Nelson always has a chance and that was evidenced by him tagging JDS and backing him up at times as well as the cuts to JDS right cheekbone and his bruised nose, which tells you he was in a fight and took damage.

It led to Joe Rogan saying that this will prompt JDS to understand he can't just go in and take everyone out in the same way and to learn (or utilize) more variety in his techniques and to kick a hell of a lot more. He also made the point, in the 3rd round no less, that despite JDS winning the fight on points, Nelson proved to be one of the most difficult opponents he's faced due to his sheer resilience.

By the end of the fight JDS looked quite exasperated, which made him cautious of going in to finish - it was in no way as one-sided as you've made out. The first round was the explosive one that fits best with what you've said, the other two favoured JDS, but were not a cakewalk (as he got tagged in both, more than once).

It wasn't even really a contest and Nelson is hardly a better fighter now than what he was back then.

Nelson is much smarter and less linear. He picks his shots better and times them better. He is clearly a better, smarter fighter now than he was then.

By points, JDS won comfortably, but to say it wasn't a contest would suggest that at no time was JDS in trouble, which is simply not true.

Dos Santos has good enough take down defence to stop Nelson taking him down and that leaves Nelson with one hope which is landing a big shot. JDS has also shown he can take a shot and shrug it off. Not even comparable and there'd be no reason what so ever to ever book a rematch between the two. JDS is without a shadow of a doubt a better fighter than he was then too and
My issue with what you've said is that you're suggesting JDS has, and had, no problems at all with Nelson to the point of it being a non-contest, when that's not what happened and wouldn't happen if they met again.

As I've already said, JDS would win on points if the fight went the distance, but in the 3 rounds before the scorecards are pulled, Nelson would definitely have opportunities to win the fight, and not just in the hapless way you described - he caught JDS with a nice one, two, in the 1st fight, which is sound technique and not just some donkeyish hit and hoper.

I still have him ahead of Cain and am confident he'll get the title back when they meet again.
If he can't tag Cain, what happens then? What does he fall back on?
 
I watched the fight back last night. I have no idea when you last watched it, or what you consider a battering, but to me, you're exaggerating far too much. If I hadn't seen the fight, I'd think JDS wiped the floor with him, was unscathed and just as sharp in the last round as he was in the first. None of those things happened and the pace and impact slowed considerably from the first to the rest of the rounds - at the pace of the 2nd and 3rd rounds, Nelson always has a chance and that was evidenced by him tagging JDS and backing him up at times as well as the cuts to JDS right cheekbone and his bruised nose, which tells you he was in a fight and took damage.

It led to Joe Rogan saying that this will prompt JDS to understand he can't just go in and take everyone out in the same way and to learn (or utilize) more variety in his techniques and to kick a hell of a lot more. He also made the point, in the 3rd round no less, that despite JDS winning the fight on points, Nelson proved to be one of the most difficult opponents he's faced due to his sheer resilience.

By the end of the fight JDS looked quite exasperated, which made him cautious of going in to finish - it was in no way as one-sided as you've made out. The first round was the explosive one that fits best with what you've said, the other two favoured JDS, but were not a cakewalk (as he got tagged in both, more than once).



Nelson is much smarter and less linear. He picks his shots better and times them better. He is clearly a better, smarter fighter now than he was then.

By points, JDS won comfortably, but to say it wasn't a contest would suggest that at no time was JDS in trouble, which is simply not true.


My issue with what you've said is that you're suggesting JDS has, and had, no problems at all with Nelson to the point of it being a non-contest, when that's not what happened and wouldn't happen if they met again.

As I've already said, JDS would win on points if the fight went the distance, but in the 3 rounds before the scorecards are pulled, Nelson would definitely have opportunities to win the fight, and not just in the hapless way you described - he caught JDS with a nice one, two, in the 1st fight, which is sound technique and not just some donkeyish hit and hoper.


If he can't tag Cain, what happens then? What does he fall back on?

Never a contest is maybe too far. It's MMA, no matter who it is, everybody stands a punchers chance. You seem to think I'm overstating JDS when in reality you're doing that exact thing for Nelson. Everybody had that as an absolute landslide for JDS. Him getting tagged on the odd occasion changes absolutely nothing to be perfectly frank.

Nelson isn't a terrible fighter or anything, but when you put him in there with a guy who's technically miles ahead of him, then sorry but he almost always reverts to having to throw wild shots, if of course his takedowns aren't happening. My point at the time was that there's no need what so ever for a rematch, because the difference between the two is just ridiculous. Just because Nelson can beat guys like Mitrione, Struve and Kongo doesn't mean he's on the level of people like JDS (He goes in there against the top guys and loses. See Werdum, JDS, and Mir as the three recent top guys he's fought).

As for the Cain comment, you could say the same for most fighters. It's all questions until the time itself comes. I believe he's better than Cain and he'll defeat him and take the title back. Finished him in their first fight and despite coming in with problems in the second (and that's no excuse), Cain just couldn't finish JDS. In that case, Dos Santos knows he can finish Cain, but Cain's never done the same. Whether or not that'll play into his mind or have any effect, we'll see. Cain will want this fight on the ground, no doubt about it.
 
Never a contest is maybe too far. It's MMA, no matter who it is, everybody stands a punchers chance. You seem to think I'm overstating JDS when in reality you're doing that exact thing for Nelson. Everybody had that as an absolute landslide for JDS. Him getting tagged on the odd occasion changes absolutely nothing to be perfectly frank.

Nelson isn't a terrible fighter or anything, but when you put him in there with a guy who's technically miles ahead of him, then sorry but he almost always reverts to having to throw wild shots, if of course his takedowns aren't happening. My point at the time was that there's no need what so ever for a rematch, because the difference between the two is just ridiculous. Just because Nelson can beat guys like Mitrione, Struve and Kongo doesn't mean he's on the level of people like JDS (He goes in there against the top guys and loses. See Werdum, JDS, and Mir as the three recent top guys he's fought).

As for the Cain comment, you could say the same for most fighters. It's all questions until the time itself comes. I believe he's better than Cain and he'll defeat him and take the title back. Finished him in their first fight and despite coming in with problems in the second (and that's no excuse), Cain just couldn't finish JDS. In that case, Dos Santos knows he can finish Cain, but Cain's never done the same. Whether or not that'll play into his mind or have any effect, we'll see. Cain will want this fight on the ground, no doubt about it.
I'm by no means a Big Country fan; I just didn't recall the fight as you told it, so much so I went back and had a second watch just in case I'd had a brainfart, and on second viewing, I still didn't agree with what you'd said cos Nelson bothered JDS at times and also hit him with more than a puncher's shot, which is why I referred to the one-two, which landed beautifully and was executed well.

Like I said before, if JDS had gone through all 3 rounds like he did the first, I'd have no objection with the landslide comment, because he was utterly dominant and looked a level beyond Roy in those first five minutes, but the fight went the distance and JDS was cautious and wary of going in for the kill in the final round because he'd been tagged enough to respect Nelson by then, which, to me, is indicative of the fight being more of a challenge for him than you said.

I'm not gonna get into Nelson vs. those other guys, because this was about JDS specifically in the first, and in a potential second fight. Put it this way: I'd be more impressed if JDS had his way with the current incarnation of Nelson to the degree he had in the first fight.

re. Cain. When I watch him in that division, he just looks like the rounded, versatile fighter who is destined to dominate for a while unless a new challenger emerges. That is not to say he looks imperious, but rather, that he has the skilset and all-round game to eek out the win against the current crop. I'm not saying JDS has no chance against him because there's evidence he clearly is a serious threat. I just think Cain is improving more and will adapt more in the future to just do enough if and when he has to. I asked specifically about JDS' hands because they are so much his primary, and arguably, only, weapons, and as devastating as they are, sometimes he'll need more than that and that's when I think he'll be found wanting.
 
Since the JDS fight Roy has fought Mir, Cro Crop, Werdum, Herman, Mitrione and Kongo. He's 4-2 against them and the 2 he lost to was Werdum and Mir, both ranked heavyweights. I don't think Roy got better, his competition got worse. He's been fighting the exact same way, throwing the massive overhand right and landing it against fighters who are nowhere near on the same level as JDS and his striking skills, imo anyway.
 
Since the JDS fight Roy has fought Mir, Cro Crop, Werdum, Herman, Mitrione and Kongo. He's 4-2 against them and the 2 he lost to was Werdum and Mir, both ranked heavyweights. I don't think Roy got better, his competition got worse. He's been fighting the exact same way, throwing the massive overhand right and landing it against fighters who are nowhere near on the same level as JDS and his striking skills, imo anyway.

Agree with this. I'm a Big country fan but he got a battering in his first fight with JDS and the same would very likely happen in the next one. His only chance against JDS would likely be that knock out power, but that's the case with most heavy weights anyways and JDS has done well against all, except Cain, who isn't exactly the one-punch knockout power type fighter.

I hope the over-training rumours about JDS's defeat against Cain are true. It seems slightly fishy to me though; if anyone over-trains in that division, my bet would be on Cain. Hopefully I'm wrong and JDS sorts his issues out so that we can see a very competitive third fight between them.
 
The first card on Fox's new channel that will be showing UFC could be excellent, especially since it isn't PPV. Rumours that it will have Overeem vs Browne and that's not even the main event. Conor Mcgregor is pretty much guaranteed to be on it as well.

Overeem vs Travis Browne
Matt Brown vs Alves
Lauzon vs Johnson
Mcgregor vs ??

Then there should be a big fight for the main event if they're making it Overeem vs Browne.

Update on this:

Rumoured that Benson Henderson will be fighting TJ Grant LW title. Really like that fight.

Also, just been confirmed that McGregor vs Andy Ogle. Weird matchup, I understand easing McGregor in but Ogle is a step down from Brimage. This also means that his match might not even be on the main card.
 
So, somehow I missed josh Barnett resigning with the UFC, not the most exciting fighter but certainly a worthy addition to the heavyweights.

Poor ol Framk Mir not getting a break. Can only see Barnett winning that fight, which will mean 3 in a row for Mir.
 
Andy Ogle? Really?? Err, yeah that's odd.

Christ, he lost to Akira Corrisani not long ago and even when he 'called McGregor out' recently I thought that would be a step down for Conor.

I'm not saying feed him to Jose Aldo but at least pair him up with someone near him in the rankings.
 
Andy Ogle? Really?? Err, yeah that's odd.

Christ, he lost to Akira Corrisani not long ago and even when he 'called McGregor out' recently I thought that would be a step down for Conor.

I'm not saying feed him to Jose Aldo but at least pair him up with someone near him in the rankings.

Yea that's exactly what I thought as well! Diego Brandao would have been a fun fight and he's 4-1 in the UFC. Rani Yahya as well would be a bigger name fight but Akira Corrisani really did make the most sense.

Watching McGregor KO Ogle is still going to be fun though.
 
It's a strange fight for McGregor. Maybe it was just a question of timing. I would have liked to see him against Brandao. If he wins against Ogle, he'll surely get a top ten fighter then. He might even get Aldo as I don't think he will be champion anymore. That's a long way away though.
 
It's a strange fight for McGregor. Maybe it was just a question of timing. I would have liked to see him against Brandao. If he wins against Ogle, he'll surely get a top ten fighter then. He might even get Aldo as I don't think he will be champion anymore. That's a long way away though.

The rumour is that the UFC is planning on coming back to Dublin before the end of 2013, so it makes sense for him to walk through Ogle to then give him someone more high profile like Brandao or Bermudez as the main event in Dublin.

Did anyone watch Cathal Pendred the other night? God, what an arse that guy is. So incredibly unlike able and he's just stealing everything McGregor says. He's gonna get fecking battered in the UFC should he ever get there.
 
The rumour is that the UFC is planning on coming back to Dublin before the end of 2013, so it makes sense for him to walk through Ogle to then give him someone more high profile like Brandao or Bermudez as the main event in Dublin.

Did anyone watch Cathal Pendred the other night? God, what an arse that guy is. So incredibly unlike able and he's just stealing everything McGregor says. He's gonna get fecking battered in the UFC should he ever get there.

"Sign me up dana babyyyyy"

:lol:

Yea, he doesn't really have the personality that McGregor has or anywhere near the same skills. He fights at 170, yeah? One of the toughest divisions in the UFC, can't see him making anywhere near the same waves as Conor.
 
:drool: @ Aldo vs Pettis. Can't wait for that.

Is Machida back in line for a title shot if he beats Davis? Can't be far off a rematch. I think Gustaffson and Hendo are ahead though aren't they?
 
:drool: @ Aldo vs Pettis. Can't wait for that.

Is Machida back in line for a title shot if he beats Davis? Can't be far off a rematch. I think Gustaffson and Hendo are ahead though aren't they?

As far as I know, Gustaffsson and Jones both want to fight each other but the UFC hasn't made it official yet. I hope Glover gets the winner of Hendo vs Rashad.
 
Mousasi is around as well. He is due a good competitor.

Shogun could stomp his way into title competition as well. He's looking in good shape recently.
 
What do you make of Glover so far? Would you give him much of chance at all against Jones?

Hmmm...I don't really give anyone in that division much of a chance against Jones.

There's really no limits to where Jones can go and to think he's still only 25.

I do like Glover a lot though and I'd like to see him fight someone on the level of Hendo/Machida/Shogun to cement himself as a legit contender first.

I know he beat Rampage but really his heart wasn't in that fight at all.