Don't think i want to watch the rest of this fight, got ugly very quick!
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Interesting finish there!
Ouch
Ouch, maybe a bit lucky he was kinda pivoted on his lead leg so it didn't go straight back but still a nasty looking one.
A quick Google search suggests Bukauskas is on $12k to show and $12k to win. Consider that in relation to the damage he just suffered and he might want to consider early retirement.
Aspinall looks good. Might be the real deal. Made easy work of his best opponent so far.
I like the way he comes across too, seems a decent guy.
This was a last minute replacement but I agree, he looks excellent and seems humble too.
I used to hate Till but since he started losing a bit, I've warmed to him a little.
Till's gonna be wary of getting taken down after getting beaten up that round, didn't look like he could do anything.
Not sure Brunson can keep doing this. Surely he will get ty-red.
Brunson looks slow and tired very early.
feck sake
Till man. Looked awful
Till just couldn't do anything to stop Brunson beating him up on the ground, made it look kinda easy even if he got caught with a couple of shots towards the end.
1-4 in his last 5. Till looks like a spent force.
Tills never looked comfortable at middleweight and the welterweight weight cuts were killing him. Not sure where he goes from here.
Couldn't see Till winning at all after the first minute. The gulf in ground ability between them is massive. Brunson bullied him on the ground and at this level that means an inevitable beating.
I think the UFC would love to have a fight between him and Izzy so a couple of wins and I think that talk of a title shot will rear its head again, whether he's capable of that or not is another thing, his only win at middleweight coming against Gastelum who is himself a relatively small 185lber plus any proficient wrestler looks to cause him all sorts of trouble.
Might need to switch to an American camp, learn some wrestling, clearly a big hole in his game.
They said he spent his camp away from his family anyway so moving it to the US might be an idea.
I don't think he's anything special, he got smashed in cage warriors a few years ago I remember but got given the decision cos it was over here. He got absolutely battered, it was very dodgy.
He's entertaining to be fair to him.
Find that a strange thing to say - Till snatched defeat from the jaws of victory by getting way too excitable in his attempt to finish a clearly rocked Brunson. Till should have remained cautious and picked his shots with Brunson on the verge of breaking. Instead, he bumbled into him and turned the fight completely with that ill-considered action.
Till has been exposed though - his ground game is non-existent and needs fixing big time. If Dana doesn't cut him, he really needs to go away and work on the holes in his game. He's lost the confidence he once had, which makes him even more susceptible to the clinches and shot attempts. Big challenge for him to get back to what he once was. Doesn't feel like he's improving as a fighter during this losing streak.
Yeah, he's not very good and he's going to get badly knocked out soon enough with his chin way up like that.
If Dana sees him as a cash cow, he'll protect him from dangerous strikers, which at least will lead to some 'wild' scraps that he can come out on the winning side of, but if he's supposed to make waves in the UFC, he's got a lot of bad habits to work on before he gets matched up with real threats in the division who will be eager to derail the hype train.
Strange in what sense? All I meant was that Brunson got caught but ultimately found it pretty easy to nullify that danger and end up winning, whether that was through Tills own over exuberance or Brunson using his vastly superior grappling it was fairly straightforward for him to capitalize. I didn't mean to downplay how hurt Brunson was but just that he made pretty light work of flipping the momentum of the fight at that moment plus the dominance he had before that.
Yeah he just isn’t the size-bully at MW that he was as a welter.
I actually don’t think his striking is particularly good (for a striker). It seems to revolve around skipping into range so he can fire the left hand, but not much else, and he doesn’t have the same power at MW. That then comes with being useless on the ground, not a good overall picture
Pimblett is basically a more cartoonish version of early Conor
He's got a spectacular accent, and he looks really weird, he's pretty entertaining. I'd be happy to watch him as a gatekeeper.
There’s nothing spectacular about that nasal scouse whinge
Though I think his hair was curling a bit last night so maybe a full transformation into a Harry Enfield pube-headed scouser would add some value
The ‘caught by a couple of shots’ bit - if Till had any ring smarts about him, he could’ve closed out the fight there, or at the least, have Brunson so discombobulated that the fight would have been likely to turn in his favour from that point on. So I don’t think Brunson nullified the danger so much as Till offered him an out that he shouldn’t have.
The fact that Till didn’t finish him and didn’t follow up when he was clearly getting reactions from Brunson show a low fight IQ. His ground game is as good as nonexistent when he is fighting bigger guys who can wrestle too.
I think he is going to get cut after his next fight. He is one dimensional and has massive flaws in his game that won’t be easy to fix.
It’s crazy to see where Woodley and Till are in their careers after that title fight. The dominant champ versus the promising young contender. If only they could have both seen what was coming.
Things change lightning fast in MMA.
I think he is going to get cut after his next fight. He is one dimensional and has massive flaws in his game that won’t be easy to fix.
It’s crazy to see where Woodley and Till are in their careers after that title fight. The dominant champ versus the promising young contender. If only they could have both seen what was coming.
Things change lightning fast in MMA.
Fair enough, personally I feel like he did only get caught by a couple of shots before the fight swung the other way, how that swing happened is kinda inconsequential (as long as it wasn't an illegal shot etc) as part of a fighters ability is surely their decision making so the fact Till fecked that up is another show of how easy he made it for Brunson.
Doubt it. He has personality and creates drama without going overboard to the point where it looks bad on UFC.
Also, not too many English names for the UK cards so he has value.
He feels like Cowboy or Sam Alvey... Keep losing but never in fear of getting cut.
When Till came into the UFC, he had the mystique of being this scouse lad who was bold enough to go and live in Brazil for 3yrs+ and had supposedly completely ingratiated himself in the culture (fighting or otherwise), which automatically gave him merit in BJJ, on top of that, having a Muay Thai background, he was supposed to be lethal in the clinch. It seems as though the illusions have been shattered now, and he's going to be tested more and more with less respect for what comes behind the ranged strikes, until he can prove otherwise.
It doesn't help that his confidence has completely deserted him, making him hesitant and clearly second-guessing and pulling punches he was all set to throw, which is leaving gaps in offense and inlets to get inside his guard.
I think he's in real trouble now because if he gets another fight, it's probably his last chance to keep himself on the roster, and with that pressure, on top of his loss of confidence, he may well tank in that fight.
I wouldn't say I feel sorry for him, but I am quite certain he's better than he's showing these days - mentally, he's gone, and that's physically delimiting him something rotten. His interviews are etched in self-doubt now, too. All that cocky scouser stuff is long gone. For me, if he doesn't get his confidence back, he's done at UFC level. If he can afford to, financially, he needs to get away from competition and focus on his flaws in the octagon as well as try and get his head on straight. As things stand, he just looks less and less of the fighter he was in each successive loss.
It’s pretty poor for him to have no ground game tbh. Especially at welterweight, he was huge for the weight, long limbs….all the physical tools to be at least respectable on the ground. The fact he hasn’t improved since woodley is a bit shite tbh
I kind of see what you're saying, but giving credit to Brunson for unforced errors from Till doesn't make much sense to me. Brunson may well have shook him up, but who's to say the losing streak and the overzealousness to get one in the bag wasn't equally, or even more to blame?
Till should be kicking himself today, rueing his poor decision making, is my biggest takeaway from the fight, despite acknowledging Brunson utterly mauled him on the ground. I'd argue Brunson was running out of gas due to his output in the 1st round, which was part of the reason Till got him wobbly in the first place.
I thought him calling out Adesanya is just asking for repetitive brain trauma; he'll absolutely get knocked out brutally in that fight, if it is made.
On that we can agree, it's a bit of a shame Till couldn't get it done as him and Izzy is definitely a potentially more interesting match up than the Brunson rematch but he's so far from fighting for a title at this point it feels silly even entertaining the idea.
Yeah, Till has no business being mentioned with the top fighters in the division, let alone Adesanya until he can prove otherwise.
Being gun-shy vs Adesanya is also a recipe for humiliation, which is the last thing Till needs.
Would just like to add that the kick that Rountree did to end the fight - I am amazed it's not seen or executed more often in UFC (until banned) with that exact same outcome.
This is a technique drilled in numerous arts to that literal effect and it's the quickest way to incapacitate hand throwers who have no regard for how their feet are planted. If it becomes a prominent technique in UFC, they'll ban it rapidly, imo, as the lasting damage is not for sport.
Was just a real surprise to see it in an octagon - in fact, you rarely see it followed through to conclusion in any setting because of what it does to the body. On first impression, it looked like he broke the guy's kneecap haven't looked it up to see what the medical report is, but I wonder when we see him fight again.
This is a technique drilled in numerous arts to that literal effect and it's the quickest way to incapacitate hand throwers who have no regard for how their feet are planted. If it becomes a prominent technique in UFC, they'll ban it rapidly, imo, as the lasting damage is not for sport.
Was just a real surprise to see it in an octagon - in fact, you rarely see it followed through to conclusion in any setting because of what it does to the body. On first impression, it looked like he broke the guy's kneecap haven't looked it up to see what the medical report is, but I wonder when we see him fight again.
It doesn’t make you wanna see him get punched?There’s nothing spectacular about that nasal scouse whinge
Though I think his hair was curling a bit last night so maybe a full transformation into a Harry Enfield pube-headed scouser would add some value
I found this old screenshot on my phone today, still makes me laugh
