I love the irony of one of the best subs in our history hating making subs himself.
The Make A Fecking Sub Ole Thread
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He also doesn't seem to understand that every sub doesn't have to be like for like.
Would it kill him to play an extra attacker?
So the 'going for broke' tactic is to drag our biggest goal threat further away from goal and bring on a guy the Cafe thinks is absolute shit (based mostly on his performances in the position youd be bringing him on to play) and someone whose been training with the first team for about a month?
This is just for today. But yes the going for broke tactic would involve having an extra attacker and not two DMs.
Bruno can still push forward if your going for broke.
Its passive and scared management what he is doing
I was talking to a friend during the game and I told him that the only subs Ole would make if the game stays 0-0 is McTominay and James and the only way he would use his 3rd sub is if we take the lead. Then Tuanzebe would come on for Bruno. The only way Dialo would have seen any game time today is if we were up 2-3 goals. There is almost no point in having a bench. Ole won't use it. He also waits too long to make changes...
Yeah it's a joke. Like sub on an extra attacker and go or the win
SAF needed a goal against Villa in a title race and brought on an unknown Fredrico Mecheda. Ole won't bring on a young player unless the game is well in hand...
Absolutely infuriating. The smiling Assassin when playing, more interested in smiles to greet a disgraceful performance these days.
Might be a million miles off the mark but can't shake the feeling that he's weak in the confrontation aspect that a manager needs, as well as the ability to play players on merit.
Back to the thread though, not many if any can disagree that he's down right horrendous with his in game management regardless of the performance.
Might be a million miles off the mark but can't shake the feeling that he's weak in the confrontation aspect that a manager needs, as well as the ability to play players on merit.
Back to the thread though, not many if any can disagree that he's down right horrendous with his in game management regardless of the performance.
I usually think this thead is an overly hysteric sofa manager whinge bin, but yesterday Ole was as bleak on the bench as the players on the field and the weather in South London. When you get no response at all for twenty minutes of the second half in a must win goalless game, something’s got to give. Both subs came to our two best positions in the half within minutes of coming on, and I see no reason neither to keep Marcus on or two defensive midfielders towards the end of the game. Anyone would have been worth a shot, even Axel as a striker. He’s our only goalscorer these last 270 mins anyway.
I don't think he notices when players aren't playing well. Honestly when was the last time you saw him make a change relevant to the game and not something intentioned in his final tactical briefing with his coaches a day or two earlier? He honestly may as well write instructions of who to take off and when and do something more productive with his time such as sit at home and catch up on Coronation Street.
He's a poor manager who has nothing except hoping Fernandes doesn't have an off day.
I also think the reason why we start games poorly is because of this perverse homage to the past where it's considered the 'United way' to stage late comebacks and it therefore seemingly doesn't matter to him how poorly we start.
He's a poor manager who has nothing except hoping Fernandes doesn't have an off day.
I also think the reason why we start games poorly is because of this perverse homage to the past where it's considered the 'United way' to stage late comebacks and it therefore seemingly doesn't matter to him how poorly we start.
Yeah there is no way he would have the guts to try something that the opposition wouldn't see coming
This!
Ole definitely brought his hairdryer to the dressing room afterwards.
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What today's subs clearly tell you is he is cowardly and cautious. For someone who played for the majority of his career under Fergie I can't fathom how Ole is like this. I think this clearly illustrates his mindset. Let's first make sure we don't lose. So we keep two deep midfielders. And he doesn't have the guts to take take a chance on Amad.
We just have to make peace with the fact that he's just incapable of making meaningful impact on games. It either goes or way with the first XI or thats about it.
Its the most frustrating part of his approach is this lack of using his subs.
Its inexplicable
Its inexplicable
I said before the game it was a dire looking bench so I wasn't that surprised we didn't change it up.
I mean the thing is yesterday you could see 10 minutes into the second half that we still hadn’t turned up and started playing. At that point a good manager would realise that having the same personal on the pitch and expecting different results is the literal definition of insanity.
Yesterday was the worst example of Ole's reluctance to use subs. In other games, I have given him a pass because our attacking options on the bench have been so limited, so if our main forwards are playing just kinda ok, you can justify keeping them on the field if we need a goal. But Rashford was god awful yesterday, and still Ole did nothing. It is seriously worrying.
Another slightly related topic, is how Ole rotates and rests players. Given our packed schedule and narrow squad, Rashford, Bruno, Shaw, etc. should get full rest whenever there is a good chance to do so. Instead Ole somehow always feels it is a good idea to give them 45-60 minutes from the start or sub them on. It is so daft. I know players want to play, but Ole is the manager and needs to get these decisions right - even if they are not popular.
Another slightly related topic, is how Ole rotates and rests players. Given our packed schedule and narrow squad, Rashford, Bruno, Shaw, etc. should get full rest whenever there is a good chance to do so. Instead Ole somehow always feels it is a good idea to give them 45-60 minutes from the start or sub them on. It is so daft. I know players want to play, but Ole is the manager and needs to get these decisions right - even if they are not popular.
and we've been lucky his three main workhorses Rashford, Bruno and Maguire havent been injured for a while.
I do wonder if his reluctance to not make subs/change things has now had the knock on effect of not keeping our players on their toes?
I don't think any of our players yesterday started the second half thinking they'll get hooked in 5/10 minutes if they don't improve/turn it on...
I don't think any of our players yesterday started the second half thinking they'll get hooked in 5/10 minutes if they don't improve/turn it on...
He should have not even bothered having half those players on the bench if he didn't believe in any of them enough to come on and change the game. It wouldn't have taken much to be an improvement on what we saw from Bruno and Rashford last night, who were both appalling.
Oles comments on why no third sub.....
"We had Marcus [Rashford] out there, Mason [Greenwood] out there, Bruno [Fernandes] out there," Solskjaer explained. "Scotty came on to give us a goal thrust and almost had a chance straight away.
"We put Dan on for some pace and with those out there that’s most of our goals that we’ve had. Of course, we had Shola or Amad but which one of those five would you take off? That was my quandary in the last 10 or 15 minutes.
"But I felt in Mason, Bruno, Marcus they could get a goal. Scotty and Dan actually had a chance each when they came on.”
Maybe he needs reminding how Mason and Marcus haven’t been much of a goal threat recently
"We had Marcus [Rashford] out there, Mason [Greenwood] out there, Bruno [Fernandes] out there," Solskjaer explained. "Scotty came on to give us a goal thrust and almost had a chance straight away.
"We put Dan on for some pace and with those out there that’s most of our goals that we’ve had. Of course, we had Shola or Amad but which one of those five would you take off? That was my quandary in the last 10 or 15 minutes.
"But I felt in Mason, Bruno, Marcus they could get a goal. Scotty and Dan actually had a chance each when they came on.”
Maybe he needs reminding how Mason and Marcus haven’t been much of a goal threat recently
So just to be clear...your plan for last night was to take off Rashford and Bruno for Shoretime and Diallo?
I'd have taken a punt on Diallo for Rashford, I don't think he could have done much worse than Marcus did. It wasn't like he had much of a performance to out perform, Rashford just wasn't on it last night at all, it happens.
I don't think Shoretire should even be involved in the first team yet, doesn't look close to being ready to me, so no I'm not surprised he didn't come on, and I wouldn't have thought he was the answer either.
Has Diallo done anything in his two sub appearances to suggest he would make a difference?
Has Rashford had a poor game this year but then produced a moment of magic in injury time to win us the game?
You're barking up the wrong tree if you think I'm a Rashford basher, I've defended him relentlessly. He's done that constantly, but I don't think you can always use that logic to never try something different, even though he's pulled an assist or goal out of nowhere often. You have to some times twist instead of sticking, even with a talent like him.
Amad hasn't done much of note at all, he's one for the future, I doubt he'll make much impact at all this season and people using him as a reason not to buy a RW in the summer are idiots to me, but him getting thrown on just to see if he could make any difference might have been worth it, because nothing was happening in that game last night, we were going nowhere.
Besides there was still VDB, why not take Matic off and play him ? He would have kept all his favorites on the pitch this way
exactly, why is Ole not playing injured players instead of his favourites?
Totally agree. And the flipside of that is that the players who never play probably lose motivation because it doesn't matter what they do, they're not gonna be picked. So when they are called upon they're not gonna be as good. His overall squad management is poor I think. And with the amount of games we have, it's asking for trouble. He's a plan A manager with no plan B. And it's quite bizarre because there are times where he prepares his team differently with a specific approach. But almost never see this in the games only before. It's as though he goes into paralysis during a match. Try, try, try the same thing again. Bring on like-for-like replacements, rinse and repeat. No imagination, no balls, no risk. Scared of losing his job I'm sure. But he's gonna lose it playing like this anyway. I mean, what was the harm in trying Amad yesterday? Something different that may just come off, my put a cross in, beat a man, just something different. Anything different. Please Ole. PLEASE!
When Klopp takes off Mane or Salah and brings on Origi, is it because he thinks he's a better player? No, it's because he's trying to do something different to win the game.
Ole only knows one thing. Choose his best players. Put them on the field and hope that because they've done it in the past they will do it again. They say football is a religion but that's taking faith to the limit. He just does not react to what's going on in front of him.
Or perhaps what he said the other night was right. He is blind.
Maybe Ole could have tried I don't know, take out a CB or Matic and get Diallo on? Its doesnt have to be positions for position you know? Specially when facing a low block
I get the sentiment but Rashford and Greenwood were both 17 when they were given chances. Macheda made his debut at 17 when he scored that goal against Villa etc. It's not unheard of for United to turn to the young players in times of need. Did we need to play the entire 90 minutes with a two-man combination of Matic, Fred and McTominay? It feels a bit safe at times and that's not a style of play typically associated with United, it certainly shouldn't be when we're in need of points and chasing a game (especially against fecking Palace!).
That was a bad one I admit. Still taking off your only striker for James, that was a bit weird no ?
Still taking off your only striker for James, that was a bit weird no ?
I didn’t think Cavani offered much to be honest.
Bump.
Was just coming to bump this myself
I am irrationally furious at Ole. When the feck will Dan James come off for Diallo? It's so fecking obvious - as obvious as taking Fred off before he got sent off against PSG.
Fernandes and Radhford look tired, and no subs
I can see why he’s not making any changes...