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Television The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power
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The hobbits are shite, I don't think much of the dwarves' storyline and I hope they don't bring those awful trees into it. But I don't mind the rest. Sure it can be cheesy but...yeah... Sauron's going to kick arse.
Best thing on TV. I think it's top tier. I'd like to know what you actually like.
The key part of being a smart critic is to hate everything.
Wrong - please read Unfinished Tales:
Gwaihir and Landroval, the children of Thorondor were explicitly told by Eonwe (and by extension, Manwe), to not interfere with the events of Middle Earth and that it was not their responsibility, and that beings such as themselves intervening actively would lead to terrible consequences.
The only reason Eagles assist the order of the Istar is because Gandalf rescused Gwaihir and tended to his wounds when Gwaihir was injured - thus Gwaihir felt a notion of debt.
1) Gwaihir rescuing Gandalf was pure luck. He was actually on his way to Isengard because the Istar had asked him to fly over the skies and report Orc movements and only when he arrived did he see Gandalf trapped and battered, hence he rescued him.
2) The eagles did not risk "Arrows and Fell beasts" after the ring was destroyed because, and I paraphrase, after Sauron's dominion came to an end, the Orcs collectively lost their minds and just scattered and ran as they had no will nor purpose and did not understand what they were doing there.
3) The eagles not being used was much like the reason Glorfindel was not used. A flock of Eagles rocking up, sends about a billion alarm bells for Sauron who would just place orcs in the forge and intercept the Eagles. Not to mention a few other things such as
a) As mentioned in 1), Manwe forbid the Eagles from interfering.
b) Mount doom wasn't some open crater that you can fly over, lob the ring in and job done. It's explicitly described in HoME Volume VI and Volume VIII that the only place it could be destroyed was the part of mount doom where Sauron had infused his magic into, that he carved into the cracks of Mount Doom. Even if there was a small crater at the top to lob the ring into, it wouldn't be destroyed that way. Sauron had actually made a "forge" of sorts in that specific crack, hence there was building infrastructure leading into it.
c) Which means the Eagles would have to land, drop Frodo off and pray to whatever heavens that Sauron just decided to ignore the eagles and no orcs were at the forge.
This isn't true either. There's a whole war going on in those regions when LoTR is occuring.
Greenwood has been fighting Dol Goldur for centuries at this point, and the Elves of Lothlorien came to aid them:
The dwarves were fighting hard in the North too, but I can't remember the exact chapter in the Appendix this was said.
I've only seen season 1 tbf, and I did like the Brother Day bits. Everything on Terminus though was an absolute slog, worse than any Tolkien poetry.
Favourite thing currently ongoing is Severance, hoping they haven't messed up season 2. Arcane was also pretty great from a more fantastical perspective. The Watchmen series from a few years back was excellent (ditto the Leftovers). I don't think you can extrapolate me not liking this show to me being a perpetually grumpy snob
Bit boring so far
Chill nerd
Just watched the 5th episode. Still shit.
God I wish this was good - where on earth has the money gone? Writing still terrible.
Their interpretation of Elendil is bugging me now too.
Wish I could tear myself away from it, but love all of things lord of the rings.
God I wish this was good - where on earth has the money gone? Writing still terrible.
Their interpretation of Elendil is bugging me now too.
Wish I could tear myself away from it, but love all of things lord of the rings.
I'm going to regret saying this, but don't those two paragraphs contradict each other around direct involvement?
Anyway, I'm quite enjoying it as background TV as someone who hasn't read the books since I was young.
Yes, kind of.
The only reason the eagles disobey Manwe is
A) Gwaihir felt that he owed Gandalf a life debt.
B) technically Olórin was handpicked manwe as his personal representative on middle earth so the eagles can argue that by listening to Gandalf they are following manwes orders.
A) is canon, B) is my personal interpretation
The dwarves fought with King Brand of Dale outside Erebor and were driven inside when Dain and Brand were killed. They held up a huge army of Easterlings stopping them from going to Mordor. They ultimately defeated the Easterlings when the ring was destroyed. Can’t remember if there were any mentions of the Blue Mountains or the Iron Hills. They might have eventually taken back Moria in the timeline but can’t remember if I made that up or read it
For all the sound and fury and cynically parasitical controversy that benefits the studio and the social media commentators shitting on this show, it is just so disappointingly mediocre.
The things which catch the eye the most are casting and costumes. It is like watching some teen trash show from 90s.
Gave up after season 1 which was a pretty boring, poorly written and casted clusterfeck. Back at reading The Lord of the Rings for the third time now. Still more exciting than watching this shitshow.
This acting is just stupendously bad.
Wheel of Time is actually better than this now,
The only reason why I watch this show is because I have nothing better to do after work on Thursday night.
Too many boring plotlines have brought this show down. Just remove Wishme Frodo and totally not Gandalf and the show would have been much better. I actually like the Dwarfs in this show and Elrond but thats about it. Rest is tolerable but my god i fall asleep when discount Frodo and Gandalf is on. They are just terrible and make the show look much worse than it is
How can bunch of nobodies got to write a billion pound show based on legendary IP. It’s like offering me the manager job at a top PL team.
Too many boring plotlines have brought this show down. Just remove Wishme Frodo and totally not Gandalf and the show would have been much better. I actually like the Dwarfs in this show and Elrond but thats about it. Rest is tolerable but my god i fall asleep when discount Frodo and Gandalf is on. They are just terrible and make the show look much worse than it is
How can bunch of nobodies got to write a billion pound show based on legendary IP. It’s like offering me the manager job at a top PL team.
Some people in here are officially worse than Star Wars fans. At least they seem to just stop watching things they dont like/agree with. Life is too short to spend it on raging watching something that is entirely voluntary for you to do so.
Criticism of shows is good - every show or movie has things to not like - but if you hate or dislike something this much - why even bother watching at all?
Criticism of shows is good - every show or movie has things to not like - but if you hate or dislike something this much - why even bother watching at all?
As someone who did abandon this show after season 1 because he thought it was shit, I think it stems from people (not necessarily you) pretending that the show is something that it objectively isn't.
That's not what I mean.
More the "true to the lore" type stuff. It's one of the biggest complaints about Star Wars too. The Acolyte literally featured a character from the films that shouldn't have even been born yet.
If you're enjoying the show, fair enough.
Considering the opportunities they had for epic fan fiction this so utterly boring. The fellowship of the ring alone had more moments than the entire tv series so far.
Those things are only important to the fans of the books. To be fair, I'd never be happy with an adaptation.
I think there are plenty of book fans who were happy with the Peter Jackson films.
For one, he didn't have Sauron begging for help off some orcs, get stabbed to death, turn into a pool of goo, and then become a carpet.
True. But it's not important to folk who've not read the books. Which why I think most fans will always be disappointed with adaptations unless they're very close to the source material. Harry Potter fans loved the films because Rowling had a lot of control ...unless I'm mistaken.
This instance with Sauron is the worst thing they've done so far. And the actor playing Sauron when he got killed looked really out of place. Again its not just about nerdish power levels. Its the fact that he's main threat after Melkor is defeated and in the movies they captured how ominous he was despite having off screen. A bunch of orcs shouldn't be able to kill the most powerful demi god in Middle earth otherwise he's not very threatening is he? When the elves and men took him out at least some of them died from the heat of his body alone.
And they didn't.
For all we know, it was by design he let himself get "killed". Part of the bigger plan.
The whole "Galadriel not telling Celebrimbor that Halbrand was Sauron but later telling Elrond and Gil-Galad" thing is pretty egregious too.
I'm still invested in this show half because of my love of Tolkien's work and Peter Jackson's adaptations, and half because I'm genuinely interested to see what they feck up next.
It genuinely beggars belief that the show runners were able to make such a mess of an already established and rich lore. The plot and character development are genuinely the worst I have witnessed in any medium I've bothered to stick around with.
The difference in what the writers want to convey, vs what they actually show, is hilariously awful.
This guy breaks down every episode beautifully, and in a way that is far more entertaining than actually sitting though an episode. I highly recommend.
It genuinely beggars belief that the show runners were able to make such a mess of an already established and rich lore. The plot and character development are genuinely the worst I have witnessed in any medium I've bothered to stick around with.
The difference in what the writers want to convey, vs what they actually show, is hilariously awful.
This guy breaks down every episode beautifully, and in a way that is far more entertaining than actually sitting though an episode. I highly recommend.
This YouTube guy has videos explaining differences between extended edition and theatrical release of Lord of the rings with runtime of over 3 hours for each movie.
Back to the usual level this week I fear. Even the dwarves are beginning to jump the shark a bit (or... duck the bats?)
Most of the time I'm just disappointed by the show rather than pissed off, but have to confess that them having Bombadil tell Gandalf the "many who die deserve life" line really did irritate me Absolute bottom of the barrel, hack-level stuff. Also don't need a subplot to give an origin for the "servant of the Secret Fire" line.
Also, is Adar's plan just to do the same thing that failed last time but the ring will somehow make it work? What's the logic here? They're not RPG items that stack effects to increase damage.
Absolute bottom of the barrel, hack-level stuff. Also don't need a subplot to give an origin for the "servant of the Secret Fire" line.Also, is Adar's plan just to do the same thing that failed last time but the ring will somehow make it work? What's the logic here? They're not RPG items that stack effects to increase damage.
I only caught up with all 6 episodes this week.. I think it’s been a good bit better than season 1
Quite enjoying it
Whose with me…
Quite enjoying it
Whose with me…
Just when I thought I was in, they pushed me back out.
Season slowly coming to it's conclusion, and less than 5 minutes of Ciaran Hinds as Dark Wizard. Is he still in a throne room sitting on his chair... Can he move ? Is he disabled ? Does that make Eminem forced to push the chair down the stairs, so the plot can finally move in the east ?
Durin's father having 5 seconds of character moment, plus another 5 of Annatar's calculated reaction. 10 seconds of top notch television. The show is saved.
Ocelot piss.
Durin's father having 5 seconds of character moment, plus another 5 of Annatar's calculated reaction. 10 seconds of top notch television. The show is saved.
Ocelot piss.
You have my sword
We wanted 2nd Age series like Sterling Archer wanted a chase sequence on top of a moving train, and our eyes are left in as much pain as his were.
And our ears from the dialogue, though for him that might've been the ocelot piss.