Television The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power

Galadriel's writing was truly terrible.

She went from some pretty decent well formed speeches to start with, finally ending as Dory from finding Nemo. "just keep swimming, just keep swimming, just keep swimming, swimming swimming."
 
Will you make an apperance next season? Please?
Since you asked so nicely, I'll consider it. ;)

As your name is Tom Bombadil, I feel like I can ask you this question.

Isn't this too early for Gandalf to come to Middle Earth? I thought the wizards came in the third age?
It is too early. They didn't have the full rights to the Tolkien works (just the appendices) and the timeline spanning thousands of years was too difficult to write a story around. So they chose to just compress the timeline and change whatever they saw fit.
 
Galadriel's writing was truly terrible.

She went from some pretty decent well formed speeches to start with, finally ending as Dory from finding Nemo. "just keep swimming, just keep swimming, just keep swimming, swimming swimming."
Yeah. And how they suddenly jump from one to three. It's so contrived. Of course it had to be Galadriel who suggested it. Because, forget about Celebrimbor, the heir to Feanor, the greatest Elven smith. Galadriel is all that matters.
 
It's because it was the only way to save the Elves.

Lazy. They were ready to leave Middle Earth anyway. They would have just proceeded with that if they had known that idea to save them came from Sauron no? There was just no real need for the writers to reveal Sauron to Galadriel.
 
The whole Sauron plot was a clusterfeck. Why was he on a raft in the middle of the ocean in the first place. Fighting the smith on Nonminor, his I stole the crest from a dead man, getting injured and riding for 6 days while bleeding out, the fact that his disciples mistook Gandalf for him, one of the greatest smiths of elvenkind not knowing how to make an alloy, the slip ups he made when talking to said smith that made Galadriel suspicious when she was so sure for the whole series he was a good guy, the disciples finally realising that Sauron isn't Sauron but an Ishtar, Galadriel when chasing Sauron all over middle earth deciding not to tell anybody when she finally realises that the man that she's been crushing on is actually Sauron.
Total mindless pap.

Have to agree. But hey ho I'll proceed watching anyway and take it for what it is. At last it's beautiful to look at mostly.
 
Lazy. They were ready to leave Middle Earth anyway. They would have just proceeded with that if they had known that idea to save them came from Sauron no? There was just no real need for the writers to reveal Sauron to Galadriel.
I loved it personally and realise it's just a fantasy story which I don't take seriously. I just enjoy it for what it is. Why try to find fault in everything?
 
I thought that was bang average at best. Laughed at a few plots in all honesty. Didn't care for any character.
In comparison to the shit show of the previous few episodes, I think bang average is considered good. :devil: :wenger:

It's because it was the only way to save the Elves.
It's a plot hole. There are ways they could've avoided this. e.g. They could've just let Halbrand excuse himself to go back to his people because he is healed and Celebrimbor doesn't need a man to help him forge his life's best creation. That would allow the same story with the same ending and align the series with the lore better. But no, they had to harvest the Galadriel x Sauron nonsense and have them confront each other.

Amazon did produce three seasons of The Expanse which is a fantastic scifi show. So it can be done.
To be fair, the series was supported and co produced by the actual authors of the book. And it shows. Easily the best sci fi series in the last few years.

Still, you'd expect RoP's billion dollar budget to be able to afford the best screenwriters and a couple of literature professors or something to help with the script.
 
What? I have no idea what you are trying to tell me here

This may come as a surprise to you then, but the rings of power are central to the entire story and have to be made, because they exist in future novels.

I loved it personally and realise it's just a fantasy story which I don't take seriously. I just enjoy it for what it is. Why try to find fault in everything?

I enjoyed it too, started a bit slow and I actually feel like the season could have done with a couple more episodes as the final 3 felt slightly rushed to me, particularly the Sauron reveal; I thought that could have had a longer build up of suspicion. I didn’t know what to make of Halbrand until the aftermath of the battle in the Southlands where he so readily acknowledged ‘I’m your King’ after spending much of the rest of the series supposedly riddled with doubt. That in turn gave the moment where he said ‘remember me?’ a deeper meaning, as did his desire to be a smith in Numenor, there were a few nice little hints.

Overall I think it’s OK and people should just take it for what it is. The Caf turns into a hive mind for unnecessary nitpicking and criticism sometimes, I think people try to one-up the previous poster with deeper criticism for the sake of it, and then if you don’t fit into that narrative you either get shouted down or ignored.
 
Lazy. They were ready to leave Middle Earth anyway. They would have just proceeded with that if they had known that idea to save them came from Sauron no? There was just no real need for the writers to reveal Sauron to Galadriel.
I agree. Another workaround is they could've just let Halbrand excuse himself to go back to his people because he is healed and Celebrimbor doesn't need a man to help him forge his life's best creation. Then they realise their mistake later when Sauron puts on the One Ring. That would allow the same story with the same ending and align the series with the lore better. But no, they had to harvest the Galadriel x Sauron nonsense and have them confront each other as the season "climax".
 
I have no problem with anyone criticizing the outcome of a show. What I don't like are sweeping and wrong statements about the making of shows.

You said in an earlier post that shows you rated highly were The Sopranos, Breaking Bad, Game of Thrones.

Jason Cahill wrote for The Sopranos and for this show. Gennifer Hutchison wrote for Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul and wrote for this show. And Bryan Cogman wrote for Game of Thrones and wrote for this show.

Hutchinson has partial credits for 2 episodes, Cahill 1, and Cogman, producing credits but no writing as far as I can see? Hardly a ringing endorsement either given that the majority of the best stuff in GOT was lifted directly from the text and the majority of the weakest written by the TV team.

Majority of the writing appears to have been done by the showrunners with very limited experience between them.

You mentioned earlier that most fantasy TV shows get criticized for bad writing, and I think that has generally been true, get some fantasy authors involved. What about Guy Gavriel Kay, worked with Christopher Tolkien on various projects and has a hugely impressive CV of original work. Tad Williams, or they could have looked at The Expanse, Daniel Abraham, one half of James S A Corey is the author of the tremendously well received Long Price Quartet. But no, Amazon have gone with novice writers for both Wheel of Time and this and the quality has suffered for it.
 
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I loved it personally and realise it's just a fantasy story which I don't take seriously. I just enjoy it for what it is. Why try to find fault in everything?

I'm with you pal. I enjoyed it.

This show was always going to get scrutinized beyond belief because of the source material. It never stood a chance with some folk.
 
Yeah. And how they suddenly jump from one to three. It's so contrived. Of course it had to be Galadriel who suggested it. Because, forget about Celebrimbor, the heir to Feanor, the greatest Elven smith. Galadriel is all that matters.
Wasn't Galadriel pretty influential by this time anyway? She's a distant cousin of Celebrimbor and was one of the leaders of the rebellion that Feanor was involved in. Plus she's from the royal line and pretty much considered a Princess. I read somewhere that she even played a part in making Gil-galad king.

I don't know the lore as well as you do, but it doesn't seem odd to me that they'll consider her advice when they've also been taking advice from a relative stranger to make them.
 
It's going to get better and better. It's a cracking series.

what i like best is how true it is to tolken’s work. it’s like he has risen from the dead to work at amazon.
 
Wasn't Galadriel pretty influential by this time anyway? She's a distant cousin of Celebrimbor and was one of the leaders of the rebellion that Feanor was involved in. Plus she's from the royal line and pretty much considered a Princess. I read somewhere that she even played a part in making Gil-galad king.

I don't know the lore as well as you do, but it doesn't seem odd to me that they'll consider her advice when they've also been taking advice from a relative stranger to make them.
I'm not an expert myself. The pieces just don't add up for me. Anyways, her status is one issue in the series. They write her like a spoiled teenager or a psychopath and yet she still has to fit in her status as a thousands year old Elf. But my main gripe about that scene, was that it was just unnecessary. Celebrimbor was known to have forged the rings himself and was known as the best Elven smith at the time and the heir to Feanor. They give him so little credit for any part of the story. There really was no need to do that last twist. And to top it off, it didn't even make sense and was so contrived. Which adds insult to injury. Give a little love to the rest of the cast. Instead of hoarding it all to the main psychopath hero to try and force us to like her.
 
This may come as a surprise to you then, but the rings of power are central to the entire story and have to be made, because they exist in future

I still have no idea what you are on about. What has that to do with what I'm trying to say? There was no need to reveal Sauron to Galadriel before forging the rings which made the plot stupid. It's not in Tolkiens books nor was there any real need from the show's perspective. So instead of trying to be clever again maybe try to understand the point others are making first
 
I'm not an expert myself. The pieces just don't add up for me. Anyways, her status is one issue in the series. They write her like a spoiled teenager or a psychopath and yet she still has to fit in her status as a thousands year old Elf. But my main gripe about that scene, was that it was just unnecessary. Celebrimbor was known to have forged the rings himself and was known as the best Elven smith at the time and the heir to Feanor. They give him so little credit for any part of the story. There really was no need to do that last twist. And to top it off, it didn't even make sense and was so contrived. Which adds insult to injury. Give a little love to the rest of the cast. Instead of hoarding it all to the main psychopath hero to try and force us to like her.
Fair enough. I think they could have done with spending a bit more time working on creating the rings, while Sauron slowly showed his hand. Celebrimbor has had very little screen time up until this point so I think he needed some more character-building before making a decision like that one.
 
what i like best is how true it is to tolken’s work. it’s like he has risen from the dead to work at amazon.


He he.

They've done a great job. The nerds aren't happy though. But yeah it's as if Tolkien has been involved in the production.
 
I loved the show, can’t wait for season 2. Didn’t agree with everything but overall thought it was very good!
 
I loved it personally and realise it's just a fantasy story which I don't take seriously. I just enjoy it for what it is. Why try to find fault in everything?

Not doing that at all. You enjoyed that part of the story, I didn't at all. Opinions and all that. As I've said: The show is beautiful to watch. But the writing was poor on some occasions in my opinion. Especially with Galadriel.
 
He he.

They've done a great job. The nerds aren't happy though. But yeah it's as if Tolkien has been involved in the production.

i reckon that’s true. my brother is 80% sure he saw him driving around in a prime van the other day, throwing a bottle of piss into a hedge.
 
i reckon that’s true. my brother is 80% sure he saw him driving around in a prime van the other day, throwing a bottle of piss into a hedge.


Yeah but I can't believe some of the dialogue! I mean there's no way Galadriel would tell Sauron 'to go feck himself'. Tolkien would've approved. It's spoilt all of Tolkien's work. But I'll keep on watching and anticipating.
 
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Incredibly difficult to portray the events of the second age effectively so while I don’t agree with all the changes I understand it and I think for a causal viewer it’s a very good production. Obviously if you’re more versed in Tolkien’s work a few things are bordering on liberties being taken.
 
Incredibly difficult to portray the events of the second age effectively so while I don’t agree with all the changes I understand it and I think for a causal viewer it’s a very good production. Obviously if you’re more versed in Tolkien’s work a few things are bordering on liberties being taken.

I mean the majority of it is liberties being taken. The experience someone has watching this will never been the same as the experience they had reading the books for the first time, so just accept it and enjoy it for what it is and cherish the memory of reading the books instead of comparing the two in a way that means you will never enjoy what has been produced.
 
Before i start ive never read the books. Just the games and movies.

Great timing to start and finish the show. for me. Watched an episode a day and honestly. I fecking loved it. It was great seeing the world of Middle Earth again and the new places I've heard so much about. I was very Skeptical going into it but all my worries were put aside when I saw what it really was. Thought they'd end up bastardising the thing full of woke crap.(only a small bit) Glad they didn't. Loved it all really. Favourite character is Durin. Him and Elrond were fun to watch. Galadrial was OK tbh, not great. Always the same face in everything so hopefully she'll try to improve her acting but she's doing the best she can with a mammoth task. Satisfied with the whole show thank feck. I'm completely ignoring all the screeching from the fan as I do get the problem, but as I am, I really enjoyed every minute of the show. Hope Celeborn does come into it though. Its weird she just name drops him and thays all we get.
 
Incredibly difficult to portray the events of the second age effectively so while I don’t agree with all the changes I understand it and I think for a causal viewer it’s a very good production. Obviously if you’re more versed in Tolkien’s work a few things are bordering on liberties being taken.
I am a causal viewer, never read the books. So for me its all abit meh and could have been much better with better dialogue and stronger scripter writers.
 
I thought it was good stuff. Some bits were bit slow and dull but for the most part it kept me very entertained. I'm no big on Tolkiens original work so I'm not sure what's "correct" and not. If I recall correctly Tolkien nerds hated the movies too so not very surprising if they aren't too jolly about this either.
 
I think the only way to save the show is to have Sauron's final form be Jeff Bezos himself.
 
I agree with all that - EXCEPT his disciples mistaking Gandalf for him.

Doesn't that make a kinda of sense? Both Gandalf and Sauron are Maiar.
Yeah but from the minute they called him Sauron I was 'No he's not'. It was just such an obvious attempt at misdirection.
The oh no it's not him scene was just laughable.
 
Overall I think it’s OK and people should just take it for what it is. The Caf turns into a hive mind for unnecessary nitpicking and criticism sometimes, I think people try to one-up the previous poster with deeper criticism for the sake of it, and then if you don’t fit into that narrative you either get shouted down or ignored.
Who is being shouted down here? If anything, criticism based on its overall quality is often ignored as coming from anal book purists when the lore isn’t even the primary focus of the criticism.
 
Who is being shouted down here? If anything, criticism based on its overall quality is often ignored as coming from anal book purists when the lore isn’t even the primary focus of the criticism.

Perhaps not here cause Tolkien nerds aren’t the most rabid but it happens across the boards