The leaks against the manager 2023 edition

It’s most likely that the leaks come from a staff member of some form, and probably someone not very important at that.
 
hobbers said:
Why would that rule him out of leaking/briefing?
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What actual evidence there is to rule him (or any player for that matter) in?

It was pretty obvious in the past who the culprits were, because either them or their agents would be at it on their own social media. Or they'd go do a television interview about it.

The only player atm you can make any logical conclusions might be whining to the press is Sancho, and even then the only thing you can pin him to is his own personal issues with ETH.

I think this is also reflected in the way the leaks are now very boring and general (e.g. players "Not responding", "having doubts" etc.)...as in they are made up/guess work. Compared to in the past when it would be specific stuff like line ups being leaked or players inventing derogatory nicknames for the manager/coaches, which was obviously coming from someone in the dressing room.
 
From @Adisa



If he is sacked before we can unload half the squad it will be mindless. We are carrying too many players who are either not good enough or not professional enough or both.

And when I see these reports of Sancho wanting to wait and see what happens with the new co-owners, eugh. Get that cnut out of the door.
 
Bastian said:
From @Adisa



If he is sacked before we can unload half the squad it will be mindless. We are carrying too many players who are either not good enough or not professional enough or both.

And when I see these reports of Sancho wanting to wait and see what happens with the new co-owners, eugh. Get that cnut out of the door.
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Basically how I've felt it about it at this point. Sure he may/will likely get fired, especially then - but Erik could be a hero of the club in my book if he manages to off load a lot of the years long dead weight as a last hurray.
 
Getting rid of players who aren't good enough and getting rid of the manager should be two decisions that are completely independent of one another. It's not an "either or" situation.
 
Redplane said:
Basically how I've felt it about it at this point. Sure he may/will likely get fired, especially then - but Erik could be a hero of the club in my book if he manages to off load a lot of the years long dead weight as a last hurray.
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Issue is he’s brought in some dire players to add to the dead weight.
 
Here we go again…..

Im really not happy with how the team is performing but sacking ETH is not the answer.

Moles need to be weeded out. Deadwood got rid of. Unhappy players need to be outed and moved on.

Also ETH cannot be trusted with new signings - so desperately need a new sporting structure above him to help and assist ETH.
 
It's the same old story with footballers. It's not about tactics or training.

It's all about are they getting picked. Or played in what they think is their best position. That's all they really care about.

If they are they love the manager. If they're not you'll get sulking.
 
I really wish someone in the media would ask the players-when the inevitable happens- how it feels to have let down yet another manager and the club again?

Jose was nasty to them, Ole was too soft, Ralf was too direct, Erik had no people skills.
 
Andy_Cole said:
Issue is he’s brought in some dire players to add to the dead weight.
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Let's review:

Eriksen on a free, my hunch is this is as much a club decision as an ETH target. If he is not wanted he'll likely go for enough money to make up any subsidised wages if required. And I don't doubt there will be takers.

Casemiro, from what's been said, a club decision, we don't know really if his legs are gone or if he can get back to last season's form, but with Saudi eyeing household names I suspect we'd get a decent price for him and no need to subsidise the wages.

Malacia, a fairly decent squad player with plenty of development left. Paid very little, should be able to break even (or slightly better, a la James).

Martinez, overpaid given we didn't go in early enough, but he'd not cost less than what we paid now. A very good player with commensurate mentality.

Mount, definitely overpaid given his contractual situation. Doubted this transfer from the start but I do think he's a good player. Whether we'll find a proper role for him is another matter. We also gave him a silly contract (and the #7, no pressure). Jury is out, though very early days.

Hojlund, overpaid given our publicly desperate situation but I suspect most if not all supporters have taken to him and the calmer heads will know it will take him 1-2 years to really get going given his age and limited experience. No question about the mentality either, top class.

Antony, the big one. Massively overpaid. He works hard, but his limitations are very well documented. Would be a decent squad player had he been bought for 30m, especially if he had room to develop and not having to fit instantly. Won't get half our money back, but he might be phased out into a squad player role and from what I can gather he's not on extreme wages.

Onana, we definitely needed to shift Dave, and Onana had a very good reputation. Who was to know he'd perform the way he has in the CL? I'm still puzzled by his lack of basic keeper skills. Truly mind boggling. Hope he can turn it around, but it's hard to imagine someone his age now acquiring the basics. Like expecting Lukaku to develop his first touch.

The loans are loans. It's a big club being run into the ground for ten years telling their manager to scrape the barrel and make do with it.

In terms of mentality, I think everyone of those players will fight on the pitch, Eriksen obviously a lightweight and offers zero defensively, but they are not dishonest, which unfortunately we see in many of the players already at the club prior to ETH's arrival.

If half the squad is against him - if - I suspect it's the half that would do this club no end of good to get rid off.
 
Redplane said:
Basically how I've felt it about it at this point. Sure he may/will likely get fired, especially then - but Erik could be a hero of the club in my book if he manages to off load a lot of the years long dead weight as a last hurray.
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Not if the replacements are Antony, Mount, Malacia standard.

The squad needs huge turnover, we all know that but EtH’s signings aren’t standouts that point to change of culture or an improvement in talent. He’s added to the deadweight.
 
Bastian said:
From @Adisa



If he is sacked before we can unload half the squad it will be mindless. We are carrying too many players who are either not good enough or not professional enough or both.

And when I see these reports of Sancho wanting to wait and see what happens with the new co-owners, eugh. Get that cnut out of the door.
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Will these leeches give the green light for that to happen is the big question
 
Irwin99 said:
I really wish someone in the media would ask the players-when the inevitable happens- how it feels to have let down yet another manager and the club again?

Jose was nasty to them, Ole was too soft, Ralf was too direct, Erik had no people skills.
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What about LvG? Too crazy?
 
Obviously, ETH is the manager but coaching a football team of Man Utd's size isn't a one-person job anymore. ETH may lack some charisma and people skills. Dutch people tend to be direct with criticism. However, people like McLaren and the other coaches are also supposed to fill in the gaps. Fergie brought in people like Queiroz amongst others to supplement his own skills.

If McLaren, Ramsay, Van der Gaag, et al also can't help manage the squad personalities then we have a fundamental skill gap in the coaching staff.
 
I miss the days that United players did their talking on the field. Any bad results they'd learn from it and not allow mistakes that happened to be repeated.
 
Bastian said:
Let's review:

Eriksen on a free, my hunch is this is as much a club decision as an ETH target. If he is not wanted he'll likely go for enough money to make up any subsidised wages if required. And I don't doubt there will be takers.

Casemiro, from what's been said, a club decision, we don't know really if his legs are gone or if he can get back to last season's form, but with Saudi eyeing household names I suspect we'd get a decent price for him and no need to subsidise the wages.

Malacia, a fairly decent squad player with plenty of development left. Paid very little, should be able to break even (or slightly better, a la James).

Martinez, overpaid given we didn't go in early enough, but he'd not cost less than what we paid now. A very good player with commensurate mentality.

Mount, definitely overpaid given his contractual situation. Doubted this transfer from the start but I do think he's a good player. Whether we'll find a proper role for him is another matter. We also gave him a silly contract (and the #7, no pressure). Jury is out, though very early days.

Hojlund, overpaid given our publicly desperate situation but I suspect most if not all supporters have taken to him and the calmer heads will know it will take him 1-2 years to really get going given his age and limited experience. No question about the mentality either, top class.

Antony, the big one. Massively overpaid. He works hard, but his limitations are very well documented. Would be a decent squad player had he been bought for 30m, especially if he had room to develop and not having to fit instantly. Won't get half our money back, but he might be phased out into a squad player role and from what I can gather he's not on extreme wages.

Onana, we definitely needed to shift Dave, and Onana had a very good reputation. Who was to know he'd perform the way he has in the CL? I'm still puzzled by his lack of basic keeper skills. Truly mind boggling. Hope he can turn it around, but it's hard to imagine someone his age now acquiring the basics. Like expecting Lukaku to develop his first touch.

The loans are loans. It's a big club being run into the ground for ten years telling their manager to scrape the barrel and make do with it.

In terms of mentality, I think everyone of those players will fight on the pitch, Eriksen obviously a lightweight and offers zero defensively, but they are not dishonest, which unfortunately we see in many of the players already at the club prior to ETH's arrival.

If half the squad is against him - if - I suspect it's the half that would do this club no end of good to get rid off.
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I don't understand what you're saying...
 
sparx99 said:
Obviously, ETH is the manager but coaching a football team of Man Utd's size isn't a one-person job anymore. ETH may lack some charisma and people skills. Dutch people tend to be direct with criticism. However, people like McLaren and the other coaches are also supposed to fill in the gaps. Fergie brought in people like Queiroz amongst others to supplement his own skills.

If McLaren, Ramsay, Van der Gaag, et al also can't help manage the squad personalities then we have a fundamental skill gap in the coaching staff.
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This./

Part of the job of our coaches is to improve & maximise what they have at their disposal. This is not a league winning squad, that doesn’t excuse the crap we’re witnessing.
 
Bastian said:
From @Adisa



If he is sacked before we can unload half the squad it will be mindless. We are carrying too many players who are either not good enough or not professional enough or both.

And when I see these reports of Sancho wanting to wait and see what happens with the new co-owners, eugh. Get that cnut out of the door.
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Ship the cnuts out. Clear the decks. Every last one of them.
The club and INEOS need to firmly stand with ETH and stop this nonsense once and for all.
 
Bastian said:
Let's review:

Eriksen on a free, my hunch is this is as much a club decision as an ETH target. If he is not wanted he'll likely go for enough money to make up any subsidised wages if required. And I don't doubt there will be takers.

Casemiro, from what's been said, a club decision, we don't know really if his legs are gone or if he can get back to last season's form, but with Saudi eyeing household names I suspect we'd get a decent price for him and no need to subsidise the wages.

Malacia, a fairly decent squad player with plenty of development left. Paid very little, should be able to break even (or slightly better, a la James).

Martinez, overpaid given we didn't go in early enough, but he'd not cost less than what we paid now. A very good player with commensurate mentality.

Mount, definitely overpaid given his contractual situation. Doubted this transfer from the start but I do think he's a good player. Whether we'll find a proper role for him is another matter. We also gave him a silly contract (and the #7, no pressure). Jury is out, though very early days.

Hojlund, overpaid given our publicly desperate situation but I suspect most if not all supporters have taken to him and the calmer heads will know it will take him 1-2 years to really get going given his age and limited experience. No question about the mentality either, top class.

Antony, the big one. Massively overpaid. He works hard, but his limitations are very well documented. Would be a decent squad player had he been bought for 30m, especially if he had room to develop and not having to fit instantly. Won't get half our money back, but he might be phased out into a squad player role and from what I can gather he's not on extreme wages.

Onana, we definitely needed to shift Dave, and Onana had a very good reputation. Who was to know he'd perform the way he has in the CL? I'm still puzzled by his lack of basic keeper skills. Truly mind boggling. Hope he can turn it around, but it's hard to imagine someone his age now acquiring the basics. Like expecting Lukaku to develop his first touch.

The loans are loans. It's a big club being run into the ground for ten years telling their manager to scrape the barrel and make do with it.

In terms of mentality, I think everyone of those players will fight on the pitch, Eriksen obviously a lightweight and offers zero defensively, but they are not dishonest, which unfortunately we see in many of the players already at the club prior to ETH's arrival.

If half the squad is against him - if - I suspect it's the half that would do this club no end of good to get rid off.
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Looking at that list, if Antony and Onana had been hits then I doubt we’d ever have a conversation about his transfers.

Antony is his guy though and it’s not just that he hasn’t performed, it’s that he’s so obviously limited.

Onana - fecking hell I don’t think you can blame the manager, no one would have signed a keeper to any top flight club if they could have foreseen the number of howlers the poor lads had
 
Bastian said:
Let's review:

Eriksen on a free, my hunch is this is as much a club decision as an ETH target. If he is not wanted he'll likely go for enough money to make up any subsidised wages if required. And I don't doubt there will be takers.

Casemiro, from what's been said, a club decision, we don't know really if his legs are gone or if he can get back to last season's form, but with Saudi eyeing household names I suspect we'd get a decent price for him and no need to subsidise the wages.

Malacia, a fairly decent squad player with plenty of development left. Paid very little, should be able to break even (or slightly better, a la James).

Martinez, overpaid given we didn't go in early enough, but he'd not cost less than what we paid now. A very good player with commensurate mentality.

Mount, definitely overpaid given his contractual situation. Doubted this transfer from the start but I do think he's a good player. Whether we'll find a proper role for him is another matter. We also gave him a silly contract (and the #7, no pressure). Jury is out, though very early days.

Hojlund, overpaid given our publicly desperate situation but I suspect most if not all supporters have taken to him and the calmer heads will know it will take him 1-2 years to really get going given his age and limited experience. No question about the mentality either, top class.

Antony, the big one. Massively overpaid. He works hard, but his limitations are very well documented. Would be a decent squad player had he been bought for 30m, especially if he had room to develop and not having to fit instantly. Won't get half our money back, but he might be phased out into a squad player role and from what I can gather he's not on extreme wages.

Onana, we definitely needed to shift Dave, and Onana had a very good reputation. Who was to know he'd perform the way he has in the CL? I'm still puzzled by his lack of basic keeper skills. Truly mind boggling. Hope he can turn it around, but it's hard to imagine someone his age now acquiring the basics. Like expecting Lukaku to develop his first touch.

The loans are loans. It's a big club being run into the ground for ten years telling their manager to scrape the barrel and make do with it.

In terms of mentality, I think everyone of those players will fight on the pitch, Eriksen obviously a lightweight and offers zero defensively, but they are not dishonest, which unfortunately we see in many of the players already at the club prior to ETH's arrival.

If half the squad is against him - if - I suspect it's the half that would do this club no end of good to get rid off.
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I agree in every single word that you have written, especially the last part ---- If half the squad is against him - if - I suspect it's the half that would do this club no end of good to get rid off.
 
Catt said:
What about LvG? Too crazy?
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That’s probably a bit too far back and Martial, Rashford and Shaw were all pretty young and no one else we have now was in that squad. You add players like Lindelof, Dalot and McTominay to those guys with Jose and then AWB, Maguire and Bruno with Ole and you have a squad that’s been together a fair while and not seen a lot of success (seen a fair few managers though and another coming soon)
 
Bastian said:
Let's review:

Eriksen on a free, my hunch is this is as much a club decision as an ETH target. If he is not wanted he'll likely go for enough money to make up any subsidised wages if required. And I don't doubt there will be takers.

Casemiro, from what's been said, a club decision, we don't know really if his legs are gone or if he can get back to last season's form, but with Saudi eyeing household names I suspect we'd get a decent price for him and no need to subsidise the wages.

Malacia, a fairly decent squad player with plenty of development left. Paid very little, should be able to break even (or slightly better, a la James).

Martinez, overpaid given we didn't go in early enough, but he'd not cost less than what we paid now. A very good player with commensurate mentality.

Mount, definitely overpaid given his contractual situation. Doubted this transfer from the start but I do think he's a good player. Whether we'll find a proper role for him is another matter. We also gave him a silly contract (and the #7, no pressure). Jury is out, though very early days.

Hojlund, overpaid given our publicly desperate situation but I suspect most if not all supporters have taken to him and the calmer heads will know it will take him 1-2 years to really get going given his age and limited experience. No question about the mentality either, top class.

Antony, the big one. Massively overpaid. He works hard, but his limitations are very well documented. Would be a decent squad player had he been bought for 30m, especially if he had room to develop and not having to fit instantly. Won't get half our money back, but he might be phased out into a squad player role and from what I can gather he's not on extreme wages.

Onana, we definitely needed to shift Dave, and Onana had a very good reputation. Who was to know he'd perform the way he has in the CL? I'm still puzzled by his lack of basic keeper skills. Truly mind boggling. Hope he can turn it around, but it's hard to imagine someone his age now acquiring the basics. Like expecting Lukaku to develop his first touch.

The loans are loans. It's a big club being run into the ground for ten years telling their manager to scrape the barrel and make do with it.

In terms of mentality, I think everyone of those players will fight on the pitch, Eriksen obviously a lightweight and offers zero defensively, but they are not dishonest, which unfortunately we see in many of the players already at the club prior to ETH's arrival.

If half the squad is against him - if - I suspect it's the half that would do this club no end of good to get rid off.
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Good summary. I think ETH is a good coach personally and still back him.

Even if I didn't however, I'd rather see 70% of this squad shipped out if only to make the point that the manager is boss. This player power shite has to end.
 
Official club statement should go
“The manager maintains our full support. The club is aware and alarmed that some players are unhappy that they are training too much. The manager will be given our full support to remove any player who is unwilling to train to the standards required to compete at the highest level “

Then in private. Ask ETH who the players are that are unhappy with training. Expel them to the sancho club. Get rid in the winter/summer. Even if ETH isn’t the guy to take us forward, it’ll be doing the next manager a huge favour.
 
Lindelöf
Van de Beek
Sancho
Martial

Just 4 of many players in the team who either dont have the quality or the mentality to play for a team that is aiming for top four in PL. With players like these what quality or hunger do you really expect from any new coach in the longterm?
 
JediSith said:
Official club statement should go
“The manager maintains our full support. The club is aware and alarmed that some players are unhappy that they are training too much. The manager will be given our full support to remove any player who is unwilling to train to the standards required to compete at the highest level “

Then in private. Ask ETH who the players are that are unhappy with training. Expel them to the sancho club. Get rid in the winter/summer. Even if ETH isn’t the guy to take us forward, it’ll be doing the next manager a huge favour.
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100% this. wrote something similar in anotehr thread. We need to show the players that the MANAGER is in CHARGE and if you don't like it, you move on!
 
Bastian said:
In terms of mentality, I think everyone of those players will fight on the pitch, Eriksen obviously a lightweight and offers zero defensively, but they are not dishonest, which unfortunately we see in many of the players already at the club prior to ETH's arrival.
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In regards to the players you listed not being dishonest (really don’t like that term here) Eriksen, Mount & Antony have regularly been benched for the players who should have been moved on ages ago. ETH’s biggest issue is his signings haven’t set the standard people claim he’s the man to install. Fight with limited quality is a bit pointless for our aims.
 
Onerealunited said:
100% this. wrote something similar in anotehr thread. We need to show the players that the MANAGER is in CHARGE and if you don't like it, you move on!
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100%. Also shows how out of touch players are with reality and what little respect they have for fans.
 
Onerealunited said:
100% this. wrote something similar in anotehr thread. We need to show the players that the MANAGER is in CHARGE and if you don't like it, you move on!
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He needs to show he's in charge first by dropping the lazy fecks. Starting with Rashford and Martial
 
He's toast. I'm yet to see a manager recover from losing the dressing room. I think he's trying to do the right thing by raising the standards in training etc, but if you can't back this up with results, those who don't like it will turn. He really needed to get his signings right, and because he failed to do so, he has no legs to stand on at the moment. He isn't as charismatic as Pep or Klopp to get the players to buy into whatever he's doing, even if it was the right thing.

He feels a bit like a Benitez unfortunately. I hate seeing him getting sacked, but I think he's overall approach to rebuilding this team has failed.
 
Fr. Todd Unctious said:
Drop them and play the kids. Can't do any worse than what's being served up at the moment
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This is usually the last nail in the coffin for any manager. If he drops his big players now he'll lose everyone, because we don't have adequate depth to get positive results. Either way he's fecked.
 
Someone said:
This is usually the last nail in the coffin for any manager. If he drops his big players now he'll lose everyone, because we don't have adequate depth to get positive results. Either way he's fecked.
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If he's fecked either way then he should drop them to make a point
 
AFC NimbleThumb said:
In regards to the players you listed not being dishonest (really don’t like that term here) Eriksen, Mount & Antony have regularly been benched for the players who should have been moved on ages ago. ETH’s biggest issue is his signings haven’t set the standard people claim he’s the man to install. Fight with limited quality is a bit pointless for our aims.
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Why? If you give less than what you can you are cheating your teammates. And if you are earning 2-3x as much as them you will obviously have a toxic environment. The absolute basic requirement is give all you've got. Sometimes that's not enough, but you won't be faulted for being dishonest.
 
T00lsh3d said:
Looking at that list, if Antony and Onana had been hits then I doubt we’d ever have a conversation about his transfers.

Antony is his guy though and it’s not just that he hasn’t performed, it’s that he’s so obviously limited.

Onana - fecking hell I don’t think you can blame the manager, no one would have signed a keeper to any top flight club if they could have foreseen the number of howlers the poor lads had
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Mount and Hojlund are the really questionable ones. At least with Antony there was a sensible plan for how to use him and an excuse that Erik hadn’t yet had much experience of the premier league.
 
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