Gaming The Last of Us Part II (PS4)

Kraftwerker said:
Who cares?

If it's a good game with a captivating story why do gameplay innovations matter?

Witcher III didn't bring any gameplay innovations but is widely recognised as one of the best games of all times.
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Well story should always be secondary. I rather have a bad story with great gameplay rather than the other away around.

If people want a great "cinematic experience" then go watch a film. Because that's what nearly every review of the last of us describes it as.

The gameplay in the last of us isn't great. The warning signs were there when the NPC could walk in front of the AI and they couldn't see them. Maybe they should have hired a few more programmers rather than writers to solve that.
 
Bojan11 said:
Great input. Tell me again the great gameplay innovations that the last of us brought to the table.
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I'd just like to know what kind of innovations you could be refering to, and which games we can find examples of these great gameplay innovations
 
Bojan11 said:
Well story should always be secondary. I rather have a bad story with great gameplay rather than the other away around.

If people want a great "cinematic experience" then go watch a film. Because that's what nearly every review of the last of us describes it as.

The gameplay in the last of us isn't great. The warning signs were there when the NPC could walk in front of the AI and they couldn't see them. Maybe they should have hired a few more programmers rather than writers to solve that.
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'Go watch a film' doesn't really cut it. Why can't we have both? A game that is a cinematic experience. For some people a bad story would make a game boring and hard to immerse in. Everyone's different.

The NPC thing is fairly minor. I'm pretty glad from a gameplay point of view that my NPC wasn't getting me spotted every few minutes. I guess they could've made them hang back out of sight. But it hardly mattered too much.
 
Any guesses on who Ellie was talking about when she said she was "gonna kill every last one of them"? Surely not the Fireflies?
 
Kraftwerker said:
'Go watch a film' doesn't really cut it. Why can't we have both? A game that is a cinematic experience. For some people a bad story would make a game boring and hard to immerse in. Everyone's different.

The NPC thing is fairly minor. I'm pretty glad from a gameplay point of view that my NPC wasn't getting me spotted every few minutes. I guess they could've made them hang back out of sight. But it hardly mattered too much.
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Indeed. Imagine the frustration of constantly alerting the enemy AI because your NPC didn't move when you wanted her too. Would drive you nuts. Haters gunna hate though.

I'm just relieved games like Last of Us exist given the amount of tripe we were handed to us in the 00's.
 
fellaini's barber said:
I'd just like to know what kind of innovations you could be refering to, and which games we can find examples of these great gameplay innovations
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What is that supposed to mean?

What did the last of us bring new to the table? Nothing. Better gunplay, stealth, AI and the girl alongside could have been improved. I'd give them the fist fighting. AI can always be improved. The gameplay in Last of us wasn't something revolutionary. It wasn't Half Life, Mario, Zelda, GTA or MGS revolutionary. Those are some of the greatest games ever created. They brought something new to the table when they came out.

Uncharted 4 suffers from the above problems too, but they added bullet sponge AI to the mix for that. Which all the Uncharted games have suffered from. The worst thing about Uncharted 4 was they added all the pointless walking around sections like they had in the last of us. The best game in the series was the one that was the most fast paced game.
 
Does it need to innovate to be considered brilliant? I don't see why that should be held against it.

Man of Leisure said:
Any guesses on who Ellie was talking about when she said she was "gonna kill every last one of them"? Surely not the Fireflies?
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Lots of theories going around. Fireflies kill Joel for the hospital massacre and she's out for revenge and Joel is just in her mind in the trailer. Maybe the Fireflies did end up getting their hands on her and experimented on her forcefully, since they didn't think she'd come willingly again. Or Joel is manipulating her to do something.
 
Bojan11 said:
Great input. Tell me again the great gameplay innovations that the last of us brought to the table.
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Sorry it wasn't up to the standard of your amazing post, where you basically just hysterically scream how shit everything is. I'll do that next time.
 
:lol: as someone who doesn't give a feck it is pretty funny to read how precious people can be.
 
Omar Little said:
Sorry it wasn't up to the standard of your amazing post, where you basically just hysterically scream how shit everything is. I'll do that next time.
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What?

So I don't like your favourite game and you cry. If it was amazing as you'd say then you'd easily tell me the amazing gameplay elements of it.
 
Don't see why games would have to be innovative to be great. Or why the gameplay has to be the thing that makes a game great. Those are entirely made up rules.
 
Bojan11 said:
What?

So I don't like your favourite game and you cry. If it was amazing as you'd say then you'd easily tell me the amazing gameplay elements of it.
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The gameplay is fine, the game mechanics are fine, no bugs. Fighting, shooting, movement are all very good and on a par with or better than most AAA titles. They aren't revolutionary, I'll give you that but gameplay alone doesn't make a great game. Its the fact that all other aspects of a great game are there, as well as strong gameplay. I mentioned all this in an earlier post.

Also, it isn't my favourite game. I think it is by far and away the best game I've ever played but it isn't my favourite.
 
Bojan11 said:
What is that supposed to mean?

What did the last of us bring new to the table? Nothing. Better gunplay, stealth, AI and the girl alongside could have been improved. I'd give them the fist fighting. AI can always be improved. The gameplay in Last of us wasn't something revolutionary. It wasn't Half Life, Mario, Zelda, GTA or MGS revolutionary. Those are some of the greatest games ever created. They brought something new to the table when they came out.

Uncharted 4 suffers from the above problems too, but they added bullet sponge AI to the mix for that. Which all the Uncharted games have suffered from. The worst thing about Uncharted 4 was they added all the pointless walking around sections like they had in the last of us. The best game in the series was the one that was the most fast paced game.
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MGS,Zelda and GTA kind of of revolutionary right? So to find a game revolutionary enough for you we have to start going back 10 years ago to the beginning of last gen? I'm guessing none of the games that have come out this gen and late last gen must be shit to you, or are these high standards only reserved for the Naughty Dog games?
 
fellaini's barber said:
MGS,Zelda and GTA kind of of revolutionary right? So to find a game revolutionary enough for you we have to start going back 10 years ago to the beginning of last gen? I'm guessing none of the games that have come out this gen and late last gen must be shit to you, or are these high standards only reserved for the Naughty Dog games?
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Not really.

Splatoon was highly enjoyable. Bloodborne was brilliant too. But any idiot can see most of the games nowadays are more of the same from AAA developers rather than them taking risks on something new like at the start of last gen.

So what was revolutionary about the last of us? It's a game not a movie. That's what I'm judging it on. My gaming experience with it not how the writers did. I'm not interested in a cinematic experience. It doesn't deserve to be up there with the greatest games because it told a great story. We might as well rank games with great music high too. It's a game not a film or album.

High standards met for Naughty Dog games only? Erm these are the games apparently critically acclaimed. I did also say they got it spot on with Uncharted 2.
 
Bojan11 said:
Well story should always be secondary. I rather have a bad story with great gameplay rather than the other away around.

If people want a great "cinematic experience" then go watch a film. Because that's what nearly every review of the last of us describes it as.

The gameplay in the last of us isn't great. The warning signs were there when the NPC could walk in front of the AI and they couldn't see them. Maybe they should have hired a few more programmers rather than writers to solve that.
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That's entirely your opinion. It depends on the type of game of course, but an action-adventure game with great gameplay and a poor story is an excercise in futility for me. Even so, you're massively exaggerating The Last of Us' gameplay shortcomings. The gameplay is functional at worst and at its best moments, such as when you're navigating through a clicker-infested area, very intense. The gunplay is satisfactory. And what you call pointless walking sections are a nice change of pace to take in the environments and atmosphere for those of us who do like it.

Perhaps you need to accept that people judge games by different criteria and yours are not necessarily better than others.
 
I don't think a game needs to be judged purely on gameplay. There's this game called "To the moon" which was basically a 4 hour story. And it was a wonderful experience however you want to describe it. And last of us was also a terrific experience.

I don't rate either of the above among the best I've played because I'll always rank a game with top top gameplay higher. So a game like Deus Ex is always several notches above. At the same time TLOU was one of the ps3s better games and I prefer it to a lot of titles that had better gameplay mechanics.
 
Bojan11 said:
What?

So I don't like your favourite game and you cry. If it was amazing as you'd say then you'd easily tell me the amazing gameplay elements of it.
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I think it's more that you're coming across all preachy that is irking people.

And no, it doesn't need to be innovative to be considered one of the best games ever. You can have an innovative game that is generally considered boring as feck i.e., Assassin's Creed 1.

For me all that matters is how fondly i looK back on the experience and TLAO definitely captured some emotions that not many other videogames and have. It was a cinematic experience in a way that no movie could be by actually making you feel apart of this post apocalyptic world imo

That being said off the top of my head it's probably my 3rd or 4th favourite game with mgs2, The Walking Dead and KoTOR
 
You know what, I think I would have been perfectly happy had Joel and Ellie never returned and Last of Us just stayed as it is. As a single story arch, I think it has a perfect ending, and one that leaves me not really needing to know what happens to these two people after it.

Having said all that, still great a sequel is coming.... my prediction is that one of them dies, otherwise I just don't see how the emotional stakes of the first can be matched.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
You know what, I think I would have been perfectly happy had Joel and Ellie never returned and Last of Us just stayed as it is. As a single story arch, I think it has a perfect ending, and one that leaves me not really needing to know what happens to these two people after it.

Having said all that, still great a sequel is coming.... my prediction is that one of them dies, otherwise I just don't see how the emotional stakes of the first can be matched.
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I agree. I wish they had introduced a new character(s) from another region as the possibilities are endless. At least it looks like they've skipped a few years forward.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
You know what, I think I would have been perfectly happy had Joel and Ellie never returned and Last of Us just stayed as it is. As a single story arch, I think it has a perfect ending, and one that leaves me not really needing to know what happens to these two people after it.

Having said all that, still great a sequel is coming.... my prediction is that one of them dies, otherwise I just don't see how the emotional stakes of the first can be matched.
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Well they have brought on a write from westworld and also the guy who wrote the games original music which is fantastic.
 
Wedge said:
Well they have brought on a write from westworld and also the guy who wrote the games original music which is fantastic.
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Orginal Music = Great, Westworld = Bleh... kinda find that show a bit shit, with the writing being pretty awful.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
You know what, I think I would have been perfectly happy had Joel and Ellie never returned and Last of Us just stayed as it is. As a single story arch, I think it has a perfect ending, and one that leaves me not really needing to know what happens to these two people after it.

Having said all that, still great a sequel is coming.... my prediction is that one of them dies, otherwise I just don't see how the emotional stakes of the first can be matched.
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Joel is as nailed on to die as the token black guy.
 
I'm currently playing through The last of us, after years of wanting to play it but never getting around to it as I sold my PS3 just before it came out, and I was put off paying top whack for a remaster on PS4

Bought it on sale for £12 on PSN. I don't know whether it's I've believed too much hype about the game, or that I've not long played through Uncharted 4 but I'm just not feeling it. I'm about 3-4 hours in, and it just seems a bit dull and samey. Sneak about a bit, escape, find 3 bullets and some metal scrap, sneak about a bit more. The clickers aren't scary, the human npcs are all crack shots with xray vision and the story seems overfamiliar being a fan of horror films where escorting a child and/or the cure to the outbreak is a trope used consistently. I'm already so bored I'm avoiding stealth and going in Gung ho just for a bit of excitement rather than throwing bricks and sneaking past.

I really hope it gets better as it progresses.
 
Hullyback said:
I really hope it gets better as it progresses.
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The Last of Us garners the hype down to its story, character development, and atmospheric audio meshed into the world it creates. Most of your criticism is down to gameplay - which doesn't really change at all, and is often referred to as the major drawback of the game. If you're not enjoying it so far, I doubt it will suddenly burst into life for you. Stick with it though, once you build a rapport with Joel/Ellie, I think you'll enjoy it more.

There's nothing particularly original about it, it just nails everything atypical of that genre to a very high standard.

Also important to remember that last gen was drowned in a sea of multiplayer FPS' that were all directed from the same key. The Last of Us was something fresh.
 
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DWelbz19 said:
The Last of Us garners the hype down to its story, character development, and atmospheric audio meshed into the world it creates. Most of your criticism is down to gameplay - which doesn't really change at all, and is often referred to as the major drawback of the game. If you're not enjoying it so far, I doubt it will suddenly burst into life for you. Stick with it though, once you build a rapport with Joel/Ellie, I think you'll enjoy it more.

There's nothing particularly original about it, it just nails everything atypical of that genre to a very high standard.

Also important to remember that last gen was drowned in a sea of multiplayer FPS' that were all directed from the same key. The Last of Us was something fresh.
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I'll definitely see it through, but now I definitely expect it be like Uncharted 4 in that I was willing it to finish once I was getting to the end. Beautiful games to look at though.

From what I've seen of it clipwise I think I'll enjoy the expansion Left behind a lot more than the parent game. Short and sweet and not much chance to get bored of repetition. That's my problem nowadays I think, easily bored and quick to give up on games before they get going.
 
Hullyback said:
I'm currently playing through The last of us, after years of wanting to play it but never getting around to it as I sold my PS3 just before it came out, and I was put off paying top whack for a remaster on PS4

Bought it on sale for £12 on PSN. I don't know whether it's I've believed too much hype about the game, or that I've not long played through Uncharted 4 but I'm just not feeling it. I'm about 3-4 hours in, and it just seems a bit dull and samey. Sneak about a bit, escape, find 3 bullets and some metal scrap, sneak about a bit more. The clickers aren't scary, the human npcs are all crack shots with xray vision and the story seems overfamiliar being a fan of horror films where escorting a child and/or the cure to the outbreak is a trope used consistently. I'm already so bored I'm avoiding stealth and going in Gung ho just for a bit of excitement rather than throwing bricks and sneaking past.

I really hope it gets better as it progresses.
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It's quite an overrated game, doubt it'd age that well also.
 
It's not overrated but playing it through now highlights the flaws in the AI a lot more I thought.

I tried playing it through on the hardest difficulty and the NPC's on your side just get in the way or the enemies just don't react to them at all and it's annoying.

It's still fecking great.
 
matherto said:
It's not overrated but playing it through now highlights the flaws in the AI a lot more I thought.

I tried playing it through on the hardest difficulty and the NPC's on your side just get in the way or the enemies just don't react to them at all and it's annoying.

It's still fecking great.
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It might break the immersion a little bit, but just imagine how annoying it would've been if NPC allies did tip off enemies? Stealth would've been a disaster. They chose the lesser evil.
 
matherto said:
It's not overrated but playing it through now highlights the flaws in the AI a lot more I thought.

I tried playing it through on the hardest difficulty and the NPC's on your side just get in the way or the enemies just don't react to them at all and it's annoying.

It's still fecking great.
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Yep I just finished playing through this and it did make me laugh when Ellie is literally running around in front of the enemy and they are going "What was that sound over there?". But as Ainu said it would have killed the stealth side of the game if they did react.
 
Fcukinell shades of that brutal trailer for TLOU1, hype!
 
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