The Kanye West video clip from the NBC TV Fundraiser for Hurricane Katrina victims

Who the feck is KAnye West he sounds like a special needs kid that has escaped from special school.
 
Who the feck is KAnye West he sounds like a special needs kid that has escaped from special school.
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Not funny that comment. I can't say I've heard much about this guy, but that comment is way out of order.
 
He's a bit up his own arse in the self-importance category. The second his opinion starts to matter, there wouldn't be a telethon big enough to fix the larger problem. Open up the cages in the Zoos and let the animals loose, at that point. Nature will work everything else out.
 
TheDevil'sOwn said:
He's a bit up his own arse in the self-importance category. The second his opinion starts to matter, there wouldn't be a telethon big enough to fix the larger problem. Open up the cages in the Zoos and let the animals loose, at that point. Nature will work everything else out.
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Exactly what has that got to do with it?
 
MUFC187 said:
Exactly what has that got to do with it?
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The second his opinion on anything starts to matter, it's the end of civilization and we should hope that nature overtakes the cities and reclaims the world. Same for any and all celebrities opinions on any matter in the world. There job is to sell you consumer goods - when you confuse them for being important figures, too...there's really not much more to say.
 
TheDevil'sOwn said:
The second his opinion on anything starts to matter, it's the end of civilization and we should hope that nature overtakes the cities and reclaims the world. Same for any and all celebrities opinions on any matter in the world. There job is to sell you consumer goods - when you confuse them for being important figures, too...there's really not much more to say.
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What a load of shit that is.
 
MUFC187 said:
What a load of shit that is.
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spot on.

kanye is rich & famous cause he's talented.

bush is rich & famous cause his father was rich and famous. he has no talents whatsoever.

politicians sell themselves to the public as well, just watch the ads during election years.
 
mike1116 said:
spot on.

kanye is rich & famous cause he's talented.

bush is rich & famous cause his father was rich and famous. he has no talents whatsoever.

politicians sell themselves to the public as well, just watch the ads during election years.
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What makes politicians opinions anymore valid?

Are both of you slow? Do you really look for validity in the opinions of neo-soul hiphop producers? Get a clue. Kanye West knows about taking old Soul tracks and mixing them with a beat and singing/rapping over them about "social issues." That's his talent. Not social commentary in a time of crisis...or any other time, as a matter of fact.

Kids today...
 
Have you guys maybe thought Kayne is pissed off because perhaps he lost some family members or friends?
 
Mike Myers looked like a Rabbit caught in headlights.

You could almost hear him thinking "shut up, shut up, shut up".
 
TheDevil'sOwn said:
What makes politicians opinions anymore valid?

Are both of you slow? Do you really look for validity in the opinions of neo-soul hiphop producers? Get a clue. Kanye West knows about taking old Soul tracks and mixing them with a beat and singing/rapping over them about "social issues." That's his talent. Not social commentary in a time of crisis...or any other time, as a matter of fact.

Kids today...
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What are you talking about, does he sacrifice his right to an opinion when he becomes a musician?
 
Mike myers was talking from is cue cards .Kayne West said it like it is from the heart.Anyone who's a Twat is Mike Myers.
 
Drifter said:
Mike myers was talking from is cue cards .Kayne West said it like it is from the heart.Anyone who's a Twat is Mike Myers.
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The other thing to note is that Kanye was obviously feeling what he said, i don't think even he had prepared anything, he was just, as you say, talking from the heart.
It took guts to do what he did and it was something, i feel, that needed to be said.
 
He should have stuck to the cue cards is the point I think.

He might have felt what he was saying but it came across as ill thought out gibberish.
 
Wibble said:
He should have stuck to the cue cards is the point I think.

He might have felt what he was saying but it came across as ill thought out gibberish.
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Very, very poor viewpoint to take mate, he has said something that millions of people all over the world are thinking, if you are not thinking them then there is something wrong with you.
 
MUFC187 said:
Very, very poor viewpoint to take mate, he has said something that millions of people all over the world are thinking, if you are not thinking them then there is something wrong with you.
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with all due respect, he could have made his comments on CNN, ABC, CBS, to newspapers or any reporter.


this was a charity benefit to raise money to help people, not to go on a completely uninformed unintelligible political tirade. Everyone is entitled to his opinion and to express it, but not at the expense of the credibility of a CHARITY BENEFIT that was not designed to be a showcase for political views however correct, or however misguided depending on one's opinion.
 
FLASHWOK said:
with all due respect, he could have made his comments on CNN, ABC, CBS, to newspapers or any reporter.


this was a charity benefit to raise money to help people, not to go on a completely uninformed unintelligible political tirade. Everyone is entitled to his opinion and to express it, but not at the expense of the credibility of a CHARITY BENEFIT that was not designed to be a showcase for political views however correct, or however misguided depending on one's opinion.
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I know what you are saying but if it needed to be said, why not say it there, nobody would really take offense to these comments, exept George Bush. It's an emotional, heartfelt, heat of the moment thing, i don't think he chose this as the perfect place to do it, i think he is feeling deeply about this and this is the first time he came on t.v since it happened.
It was probably more a case of, i'm on t.v for the first time since it happened, i'm gonna say some things which need to be said, why not now?
 
MUFC187 said:
I know what you are saying but if it needed to be said, why not say it there, nobody would really take offense to these comments, exept George Bush. It's an emotional, heartfelt, heat of the moment thing, i don't think he chose this as the perfect place to do it, i think he is feeling deeply about this and this is the first time he came on t.v since it happened.
It was probably more a case of, i'm on t.v for the first time since it happened, i'm gonna say some things which need to be said, why not now?
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well, he is a known star (i guess, I really had only heard his name a couple of times...) so he could have easily gotten on a plane to go down and help in the area they way Sean Penn did, or donate a million$ the way Nicolas Cage did etc....

he could have very easily issued a statement or something to the news, and TBH although I really don't like George Bush at all, I was very offended by it.

people can say what they like about George Bush, and I don't really care what it is as long as the critique is true.

You can say he is a moron, you can say his environmental policies suck, you can say he is a bad president, you can say you don't agree with his view on taxes etc. etc. and those things very well are true to a large degree and I will give no arguement there, because they are provable facts and worthy of criticism.

But to say on national television "George Bush hates black people" is neither a fact, a policy critique, or even a remotely fair comment. it was totally off base and had nothing to do with criticism and was an openly stupid offensive remark IMO.

Even if someone disagrees with them, the fact is Bush depends heavily on the opinions of both Condi Rice and Colin Powell, both of whom are black. Even a numpty like Bush would not appoint two people of a race he "hates" as two of his most important advisors.


this West fella was way out of line with that comment and especially so in the atmosphere where he did it.

he is certainly entitled to his opinion, but an opinion should also be based on fact, not irrational misplaced anger at politics that are completely different to the sad natural disaster unfolding.

there are hundreds of thousands of white people in peril who have lost everything who were receiving no help either and were receiving far less media attention...most of the attention was focused on inner city Louisiana, whereas plenty of rural white neighborhoods were devastated as well in New Orleans as well as the people of Mississippi who have been virtually forgotten in this.

the failures of Bush and the federal, state and local governments have affected everyone, and the people are suffering not because George Bush hates black people but because everyone was completely blindsided by the ferocity of this storm.

mr. west should get his facts straight and should adress politics at a different time, hopefully with something more intelligent and provable than "George Bush hates black people".
 
Kanye West is an ignorant dumbass.
I don't care about his emotional state, you can't go on television and make irresponsible statements like that.
"My people"? WTF? Where does he think the most money will come from to help "his people"? His hip hop buddies?
Rasict twat.
 
MUFC187 said:
Very, very poor viewpoint to take mate, he has said something that millions of people all over the world are thinking, if you are not thinking them then there is something wrong with you.
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He wasn't saying what I was thinking. Indeed I couldn't understand most of what he was saying. He seemed to be saying that it was a political plot against black people. Which is absurd.

This was a natural disaster combined with poor disaster planning but it wasn't aimed at people with a particular skin colour. Economic disadvantge is a different argument.

And as Flash said, this was a charity event. Given that he is apparently well known I don't imagine that he would have had plenty of other platforms for his views.
 
FLASHWOK said:
well, he is a known star (i guess, I really had only heard his name a couple of times...) so he could have easily gotten on a plane to go down and help in the area they way Sean Penn did, or donate a million$ the way Nicolas Cage did etc...."
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I think he alludes to this in the clip


FLASHWOK said:
You can say he is a moron, you can say his environmental policies suck, you can say he is a bad president, you can say you don't agree with his view on taxes etc. etc. and those things very well are true to a large degree and I will give no arguement there, because they are provable facts and worthy of criticism.

But to say on national television "George Bush hates black people" is neither a fact, a policy critique, or even a remotely fair comment. it was totally off base and had nothing to do with criticism and was an openly stupid offensive remark IMO.
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Are you a black male living in America?
Unless you are i find it a little strange that you suggest that you have enough knowledge or information to say is it an completely unfair comment. Black people are 10% of America's population yet when you see the prisons in America they are not only 10% black are they, they are considerably more than that. When you see these really rough, poor, broke, voilent, drug ridden communities in America do you see any white people in these communities, i don't.
I would suggest to you that black people already had plenty of reason to think that the government and Bush didn't care about them before this happened, they have been let down enough before. This, in a way was confirmation of that and the sad thing is, i don't think many of the black people are particularly suprised at what has happened.
Black people in America have been neglected and had their problems ignored by the goverment forever so it's not a conclusion he is jumping to.
What reason does he have to think anything else?



FLASHWOK said:
Even if someone disagrees with them, the fact is Bush depends heavily on the opinions of both Condi Rice and Colin Powell, both of whom are black. Even a numpty like Bush would not appoint two people of a race he "hates" as two of his most important advisors.
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Come on now, that's like the old ''I'm not being racist, there is a black guy at work and i like him". Ron Atkinson hired and worked with dozens of black people and we have come to know exactly what his feelings on the subject are.

FLASHWOK said:
there are hundreds of thousands of white people in peril who have lost everything who were receiving no help either and were receiving far less media attention...most of the attention was focused on inner city Louisiana, whereas plenty of rural white neighborhoods were devastated as well in New Orleans as well as the people of Mississippi who have been virtually forgotten in this."
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I simply don't belive it to be the case that they would only show the black people and not the white, the fact of the matter is, as all the footage shows, black people are much more heavily involved than whites.

FLASHWOK said:
the failures of Bush and the federal, state and local governments have affected everyone, and the people are suffering not because George Bush hates black people but because everyone was completely blindsided by the ferocity of this storm.

mr. west should get his facts straight and should adress politics at a different time, hopefully with something more intelligent and provable than "George Bush hates black people".
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I think the term was '"doesn't care about black people" and to be honest, i can't see much to disagree with the statement.
 
MUFC187 said:
I think he alludes to this in the clip

so he's going to check with his accountant? So what? I didn't need to check with my accountant before I donated to the Red Cross.




Are you a black male living in America?
Unless you are i find it a little strange that you suggest that you have enough knowledge or information to say is it an completely unfair comment.

no I am not a black male living in america, I am a jewish male living in america, and that has nothing to do with the fact that the comment he made is nothing but an unproveable unfair angry comment. If Mr. West can prove that "george bush does not care about black people" than I will concur.


Black people are 10% of America's population yet when you see the prisons in America they are not only 10% black are they, they are considerably more than that. When you see these really rough, poor, broke, voilent, drug ridden communities in America do you see any white people in these communities, i don't.

black people are not 10% of our population, black people are 12% of our population. Black people are also considerably a larger portion of the prison population because facts bear out that black people commit statistaclly more crime than whites latinos and asians combined, both against white and other minority groups, but also against other blacks.

I understranbd you may be upset about something, but you are arguing with no facts at your disposal or al least only those parroted simply by commentators without showing facts. There also is an extremely large and growing black middle class in this country and when you see those "really rough, poor,broke,violent, drug ridden communities in america" YOU may not see any white people but I see plenty of white people. Just because your news only shows the black inner cities, belies the fact, that more WHITES are on welfare than BLACKS. The white rural poor (which many in the rest of the world dub rednecks) are just as badly off, they are just in rural areas and not in inner city slums. they are just as poor, and have no medicaire and of the most part of children who go hungry at night, they are predominantly poor rural whites in the South, midwest, and west.




I would suggest to you that black people already had plenty of reason to think that the government and Bush didn't care about them before this happened, they have been let down enough before.

so? the government doesn't care about anybody. They don't care about me...and I don't care, I can take care of myself. how has george bush specifically let down black people before directly because he doesn't care about them? Blacks made it clear overwhelmingly that they wouldn't vote for him, but what has he done to them specifically, that let them down enough before? There was a democrat in the white house for 8 years before, and up until 1994 the House of Representatives had always been controlled by democrats, not republicans.



This, in a way was confirmation of that and the sad thing is, i don't think many of the black people are particularly suprised at what has happened.
Black people in America have been neglected and had their problems ignored by the goverment forever so it's not a conclusion he is jumping to.
What reason does he have to think anything else?

If they are not surprised, then why are they so angry? There were warnings two weeks ago by the mayor and the governor and FEMA saying that if you chose to stay in New Orleans against evacuation orders "you were on your own"

Black people are not the only one's who are ignored and neglected, 42 million americans do not have health insurance and there more whites than blacks in that number.






Come on now, that's like the old ''I'm not being racist, there is a black guy at work and i like him". Ron Atkinson hired and worked with dozens of black people and we have come to know exactly what his feelings on the subject are.

than why hire them for the two most important positions in his Administration? Are you suggesting that he really doesn't like and respect Powell and Rice at all and that they are mere window dressing? I think that is a bit racist of you to say if you look at it honestly...if he really didn't care why even bother with the window dressing? Why not just hire blacks in a couple of low level no one cares cabinet posts, not the most vital positions in foreign policy? Ron Atkinson is a football coach, not the leader of a country.


I simply don't belive it to be the case that they would only show the black people and not the white, the fact of the matter is, as all the footage shows, black people are much more heavily involved than whites.

you can chooose to believe what you wish top believe, but facts are facts...you are 5,000 miles away and are seeing primarily news footage from inner city New Orleans. I suggest you go to Getty Images and do searches for Biloxi Mississippi. I understand you may be upset, but you are completely off base in your assertions about the disaster.

New Orleans is a lrage primarily black inner city of about 60-70% with heavy rural and suburban white populations. Of the three states hit, Louisiana, Alabama and Mississipi, much of the rural areas completely destroyed are primarily white. I understand and respect your opinion on the matter, but you are completely off base with regards to the suffering going on. I can assure you thefe are hundreds of thousands of white people who have lost everythhing. Thousands of elderly white people are inserious condition, and thousands of white children are homeless too. Maybe the BBC is not showing other areas but I can assure you, I have access to every american infon source on TV and internet and this cuts so far along racial lines that your comments are simply not appropriate to the facts of the situation.



I think the term was '"doesn't care about black people" and to be honest, i can't see much to disagree with the statement.
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George Bush may not care about a lot of people...it's not a black issue. If he didn't care about black people then why order in all the help he has? He doesn't have to stand for reelection, doesn't have to worry about the black vote, and doesn't care, allegedly, so why bother at all?
 
antihenry said:
Kanye West is an ignorant dumbass.
I don't care about his emotional state, you can't go on television and make irresponsible statements like that.
"My people"? WTF? Where does he think the most money will come from to help "his people"? His hip hop buddies?
Rasict twat.
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Now that sounds like an ignorant rant. Dumbass
 
Drifter said:
Mike myers was talking from is cue cards .Kayne West said it like it is from the heart.Anyone who's a Twat is Mike Myers.
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Most of the help for the victims is coming from the white people, the very same white people who Kanye West offended in his incoherent statement.
I don't doubt he was saying what he really felt. It's what he's feeling is what's bothering me.
I don't like George Bush and would never vote for him. But to say something like that in front of millions of tv viewers in a time like that, is ignorant and irresponsible. He was there to encourage people to make donations and help out in any way possible, instead he used this as an opportunity to rant about Bush and made a fool out of himself in the process.
Hey Kanye, i have an idea. Why don't you and your hip hop buddies leave your mansions and join the national guard or better yet go help those working in the disaster area (some of them are Bush voters,you know) to save "your people" who are still stranded at the abandoned areas in what used to be a New Orleans?
 
I had deliberately tried to avoid posting anything here over the past days, but i think it is unavoidable.

FLASHWOKS, I'll ask you just one question, and please say what you truely believe from the bottom of your heart, your first answer will be good enough for me.

Do you honestly believe that if this natural dissaster had struck a place like New Hampshire, or Connecticut, or Maine, or River Oak - Texas, that the response would have been exactly the same? Thats my question to you!


I personally would have prefered it if Mr West did not say what he said, but he said what was on his mind and on the mind of millions of people all over the world, maybe more on the minds of Africans and people of African decent, but by no means restricted to them, people of all races seeing those pictures know full well that if that had been a predominantly caucasian city, the response would have been different.

Mr West may have put it in an emotional and distateful way, but in context what he said is true. Sadly, what he said (in context) will remain true even after New Orleans is rebuilt. I need not go into too many reason why this is, nor do i need to bother you with references because it is obviously not your problem, everyone has his/her own problems and being African-American, this is very much Mr West's problem. Plus, I hope you can appreciate that as humans, there are certain tragedies, certain suffering/prejudices, certain situations that you could never be able to comprehend, let alone empathise with, unless you are of the same race or nation or situation as that of the person/people going through it or that have been through it.


My question is to you FLASHWOK, and to any other person who thinks that Mr West had no business saying what he felt was obvious.
 
FLASHWOK said:
If Mr. West can prove that "george bush does not care about black people" than I will concur.
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What would you consider proof?

FLASHWOK said:
black people are not 10% of our population, black people are 12% of our population. Black people are also considerably a larger portion of the prison population because facts bear out that black people commit statistaclly more crime than whites latinos and asians combined, both against white and other minority groups, but also against other blacks.
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Very naive standpoint, you have to look deeper than the statistics. People are not born as criminals, why is the population of black people in prisons far, far greater than their population in the country?
To me it suggest predjudice in the judicial system as well as neglection of the black community.

FLASHWOK said:
Just because your news only shows the black inner cities, belies the fact, that more WHITES are on welfare than BLACKS. The white rural poor (which many in the rest of the world dub rednecks) are just as badly off, they are just in rural areas and not in inner city slums. they are just as poor, and have no medicaire and of the most part of children who go hungry at night, they are predominantly poor rural whites in the South, midwest, and west.
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There will be poor people in every city in every country in the world but you cannot seriously suggest to me that the standard of life in the poor white towns is the same as that of the black poor areas, it's a laughable suggestion.

FLASHWOK said:
so? the government doesn't care about anybody. They don't care about me...and I don't care, I can take care of myself. how has george bush specifically let down black people before directly because he doesn't care about them?
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Becuase you are not in the same position as black people, that is the difference, you take care of yourself but so what? have you had to overcome the same things that the poor black people in America have had to?
Black people are in the same situation they have been in for years, it's getting no better, this is why they feel let down.


FLASHWOK said:
If they are not surprised, then why are they so angry?
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Just because they are used to neglection is doesn't mean it hurts any less

FLASHWOK said:
There were warnings two weeks ago by the mayor and the governor and FEMA saying that if you chose to stay in New Orleans against evacuation orders "you were on your own"
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Can't think why they though nobody care about them eh?
So basically, if you can't afford a holiday then you are fecked, great help from the richest country in the world that is isn't it?



FLASHWOK said:
Black people are not the only one's who are ignored and neglected, 42 million americans do not have health insurance and there more whites than blacks in that number.
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This statistic is hardly suprising given the race population percentage we have already covered.

FLASHWOK said:
than why hire them for the two most important positions in his Administration? Are you suggesting that he really doesn't like and respect Powell and Rice at all and that they are mere window dressing? I think that is a bit racist of you to say if you look at it honestly...if he really didn't care why even bother with the window dressing? Why not just hire blacks in a couple of low level no one cares cabinet posts, not the most vital positions in foreign policy? Ron Atkinson is a football coach, not the leader of a country.
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Again, you are taking a very naive and basic viewpoint on this, the Ron Atkinson comparision is a very solid one, just because a man in a position of power hires some black people it doesn't in any way mean he does not have any racial hatred or stereotype issues.

FLASHWOK said:
George Bush may not care about a lot of people...it's not a black issue. If he didn't care about black people then why order in all the help he has? He doesn't have to stand for reelection, doesn't have to worry about the black vote, and doesn't care, allegedly, so why bother at all?
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In case you had not noticed, this is the issue, he has not helped nearly as much as he could have, how about helping these people out of the town in the first place rather than just advising them to leave?
 
MUFC187 said:
There will be poor people in every city in every country in the world but you cannot seriously suggest to me that the standard of life in the poor white towns is the same as that of the black poor areas, it's a laughable suggestion.
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You cannot seriously suggest that at least part of the blame for the standard of life in the "poor black areas" should be plased on the people who live in those areas?
MUFC187 said:
Becuase you are not in the same position as black people, that is the difference, you take care of yourself but so what? have you had to overcome the same things that the poor black people in America have had to?
Black people are in the same situation they have been in for years, it's getting no better, this is why they feel let down.
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People are in the same position they have been for years because they didn't do nearly enough to improve their standard of life.
There are millions and millions of people around the world of different racial and cultural backgrounds that work hard and strive to make better life for themselves and their children, and their situation is much worse than those black people in US because they don't live in the richest country in the world that can afford spending vast amounts of money on social programs for the poor.
You can't sit on our behind waiting for the government to do everything for you, and that's kind of mentality that prevents those people from improving their situation.
Racism(white,black etc) is alive and well in America but so it is in any corner of the world.
You can't play the racial card everytime you're in trouble.
 
He sure got you lot going... anyonce care to summarise so far ?

As for Kanye, I like some of his music, he can say whatever he wants, you know he's going to...
 
antihenry said:
You cannot seriously suggest that at least part of the blame for the standard of life in the "poor black areas" should be plased on the people who live in those areas?

People are in the same position they have been for years because they didn't do nearly enough to improve their standard of life.
There are millions and millions of people around the world of different racial and cultural backgrounds that work hard and strive to make better life for themselves and their children, and their situation is much worse than those black people in US because they don't live in the richest country in the world that can afford spending vast amounts of money on social programs for the poor.
You can't sit on our behind waiting for the government to do everything for you, and that's kind of mentality that prevents those people from improving their situation.
Racism(white,black etc) is alive and well in America but so it is in any corner of the world.
You can't play the racial card everytime you're in trouble.
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I don't think it is playing the racial card, which by the way is a saying that you should avoid using.
I think the situation is quite clear, you will find that in every country that has black people, black people are, on average significantly poorer and live in far worse living conditions that their white counterparts. This is a problem which is seen at it's worst in America and i think with them being the richest country in the world and probably the one of the white countries with the highest percentage of black people, this is an unacceptable situation which they still don't seem to be adressing.

To say that people are all in the same position is to ignore that blatantly obvious, it is just simply not the case.
 
MUFC187 said:
What would you consider proof?

concrete proof that George Bush does not care about black people....you are innocent untill proven guilty here...so prove it.


Very naive standpoint, you have to look deeper than the statistics. People are not born as criminals, why is the population of black people in prisons far, far greater than their population in the country?
To me it suggest predjudice in the judicial system as well as neglection of the black community.

well mate, you should get your head out of your ass then. Your the one who is naive. The statistic you should familiarize yourself with is the one that states that there is a 20% chance that a young black men will be murdered at the hands of another young black man during his life.

I suggest you do a little more research and find out who it is that is terrorizing black people. you may want to take it up with the bloods and the crips several sets of which (there are over 500 sets and 100,000 "neglected" bloods and crips in L.A. alone) are at the moment engaged in a new war to control the areas in South Watts. Nobody denies there is prejudice in the judicial system, however a carjacker is a carjacker no matter what color he is, no?



There will be poor people in every city in every country in the world but you cannot seriously suggest to me that the standard of life in the poor white towns is the same as that of the black poor areas, it's a laughable suggestion.



you should stop suggesting things that you knoew nothing about as being "laughable"

it is just as bad...maybe you haven't seen rural poverty but it is awfull...people don't get to go to macdonalds like they can in the inner city. People go hungry or eat squirrels and live in complete squalor. The "standard of life" you refer to is made untenable in the inner city because of the proliferation of gangs and criminals who terrorize their own community more so than they do white people.



Becuase you are not in the same position as black people, that is the difference, you take care of yourself but so what? have you had to overcome the same things that the poor black people in America have had to?
Black people are in the same situation they have been in for years, it's getting no better, this is why they feel let down.

since when is it a governments responsibility to do more than provide (if that) welfare checks, social security, and free education? it;'s utterly pathetic, you know next to nothing about this country yet comment on it with such stubborness and lack of proof that it is startling. you know nothing about the problems of CLASS as opposed to race.

and just FYI, being Jewish in america wasn't exactly a boon of goodwill either my friend...we represent less than 2% of the population and seem to have done quite well for ourselves. Jews were the white man's whipping boy for thousands of years before while blacks were still running free around Africa before slavery. We've been enslaved in Egypt, exterminated in Europe, slaughtered in Russia...so dion't give any more of this minority crap. Black people do need help, as do many poor white americans, but your constant uninformed race baiting is tiresome.



Just because they are used to neglection is doesn't mean it hurts any less

welcome to the world...billions are neglected. I don't expect the government to help me at all. I in fact am more hindered by my government than helped, and frankly I'd rather the government neglected me and left me alone.



Can't think why they though nobody care about them eh?
So basically, if you can't afford a holiday then you are fecked, great help from the richest country in the world that is isn't it?

you must be dense. IF YOU CHOOSE TO STAY in the city you are on your own. your sarcastic tone is absolutely pathetic. The richest country in the world had 2000 buses available for evacuation, that one stupid mayor did not order into immediate action for MANDATORY law enforced evacuation. If you choose to stay after all those conditions what the feck do you expect? I have been in three hurricanes in my life, all right next to the ocean, and EVERY feckING TIME when the order was given to evacuate, we evacuated. It's why my family is alive.





This statistic is hardly suprising given the race population percentage we have already covered.

the only thing surprising is their are so many white people on there as well :rolleyes:


Again, you are taking a very naive and basic viewpoint on this, the Ron Atkinson comparision is a very solid one, just because a man in a position of power hires some black people it doesn't in any way mean he does not have any racial hatred or stereotype issues.

and what proof do you have that george Bush is a racist? the only proof you have about Atkinson is his comments, yes? Untill you have comments from george Bush relating to racism you are just wildly speculating and nothing more.



In case you had not noticed, this is the issue, he has not helped nearly as much as he could have, how about helping these people out of the town in the first place rather than just advising them to leave?
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Because it is not the federal governments JOB to evacuate a city, it is the city and state authorities, whose responsibility is clearly defined in the Louisiana disaster response plan. There were 2,000 buses, capable of transporting 40 adults each (or 55 children) to be used for evacuation. More than enough to evacuate up to 100,000 per wave. Because the mayor issued the mandatory evacuation a day late, and didn't bother with the buses (they are still locked in government lots, now under 10 feet of water)
 
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