With that team, 6th would be pretty good management from EtH!
The John Murtough Era
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With that team, 6th would be pretty good management from EtH!
Yep, absolute clown shoes. Plus, our options up front are currently…Martial. Oh for the days of multiple good striker options on the field and bench.
This is his first proper window and you'd think he would've done some preparation and laid the groundwork for some deals. But no, feck all evidence of that. Massive red flags already that he's every bit as out of his depth as Woody was.
Anybody who thought we were going to sign more than 4/5 players this window was setting themselves up for disappointment. It was always going to take 2-3 windows to get the majority of the deadwood sold and replaced with new players. A summer window of 4/5 new players in is a good window. All that requires is one of FdJ or Antony to be a good window, add in an extra player like sesko and its an excellent window based on the realistic goal of making 4/5 signings that EtH wants. Hopefully over the winter and next summer window we can add a further 4/5 players which would pretty much see us with a first 11 of players that fit EtH's way of playing and a good set of backup options. Either way if we end this window with FdJ or antony then I think we have enough to finish top 4.
Exactly, we have made no signings up front when we have lost Cavani, Lingard, Greenwood. Its an absolute joke.
Yes but a competent director of football would fully understand his ideals and the type of football he wants to play in advance of hiring him. And he should also be able to identify players suited to that type of football (with support from scouts) rather than simply rely on the manager to suggest players
Even if what you said was true, negotiating for the players eth has identified has been a shambles as well
Eriksen is such a massive massive massive upgrade on McT in a vital position. This really can’t be understated. The quality and variation of our attacks should improve beyond all recognition. The only problem is the team doesn’t have enough aggression unless Martinez is able to really get stuck in higher up the pitch than your average CB
I agree to an extent with your first paragraph to an extent. But how has negotiations been a shambles?
Agree with all of this. The Reddy stuff sounds like spin.
What happened in Ten Hag's interview? Did United not pick him based on the ideas he presented in that interview and the things he said? Wasn't his footballing philosophy part of the reason why he got the job?
What does it say about our hierarchy if it can hire someone, after a full interview process, someone who has managed literally thousands of hours of games their analytics people can watch, and not be able to suggest what profile of player might work for them?
Utterly bizarre. I increasingly believe Ten Hag got the job because he was trending more than Pochettino on twitter. Thank God, cos he's the best man for the job. However, I have no confidence that the team behind him has a Scooby.
Not sure if you're taking the piss?
I’m serious, you’re saying what’s he doing on the coaching? I’m telling you why. I said get over it because it’s a simple reason that doesn’t require the board piping up
Given his job description is ensuring as smooth as possible a transition for youth players into the senior squad, I’d be very worried if he wasn’t.I believe Fletcher is out on the training field again….the feck is happening at this club
So he's not got his coaching badges? and he's got no experience in a Director role either?
Can we ask how the feck is he one of the most important people currently in our setup then?
He's a technical director right? should be nowhere near the training field, as in taking part in training.
We are going into a season that need major rebuild but without a functional scouting department. And have to entrust the entire scouting process to the new manager. Arnold and Murtough flew to Spain for FDJ and nothing get sorted. There are also no replacement signed for Greenwood and/or Ronaldo despite ETH said that he wish to sign another attacker.
We are always very slow to react and failed to plan ahead in many ways that resulted in catastrophic failure for the last decade. It seems nothing much have changed.
If we failed to sign another midfield (hopefully FDJ) and attacker (hopefully Antony) the board once again will put the manager in a very difficult position right from the start.
We are always very slow to react and failed to plan ahead in many ways that resulted in catastrophic failure for the last decade. It seems nothing much have changed.
If we failed to sign another midfield (hopefully FDJ) and attacker (hopefully Antony) the board once again will put the manager in a very difficult position right from the start.
Who cares what the title is, his remit includes work on the training ground, as explained in the post you just quoted.
He hasn't even got coaching badges what are you on about? Ragnick was puzzled when asked why is Fletcher taking part in training as well.
Being at the training ground is one thing, taking part in training is something different all together.
His job is to work with the youth setup and identify young players either capable of making the first team squad or sending them out on loan to develop. But from what's been reported he's taking part in training, shouting out instructions on the touchline when Ragnick was here and he was also involved in the interview phase for the new manager. Must have a big set of bollocks does old Fletch.
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He’s our fall back plan in case Frenkie doesn’t sign.
He’s completing his badges because he enjoys coaching, it’s not a job requirement
as for ‘Director’ we’re getting back to the old argument again, full circle. His job title does not match what his duties are. The club have done him no favours in calling him ‘Technical Director’ because a portion of our fan base will find reason to complain
I was actually reading his job description though and in no way does it say he should be on the training ground or even worse on the touchline shouting out instructions with Ralf.
It's just another bizarre appointment of somebody with zero experience just like the muppets who appointed him.
He's even been involved in the manager interview phase apparently. In what world does Darren Fletcher get to interview EtH or Poch for a managers position?? then after the interview throws on his Puma Kings and goes to take part in training! madness.
In a world were he’s been asked to help out. What’s hard to understand?
You obviously just want to moan today so have at it
It's professional football at a multi billion pound club and we have a guy with zero experience 'helping out'....that's exactly my issue.
Anyways we aren't going to agree so yeah lets leave it.
Looks like people have problem with Fletcher while managers don't have any problem involving him in training set up. People are actively looking for reasons to moan now.
How do you know any of this? Or you just fancied a rant?
Absolute nonsense to leave everything in the hands of manager. Although, this one is good so we will see
Look mate, be real, what could Erik ten Hag possibly know that Castia off the internet doesn’t?
Maybe we all should write email or open letter to ten Hag saying Fletcher shouldn't be involved in training.
The biggest issue and failing was no clear Rangnick to ETH handover/detailing - I think everyone realised that Rangnick had completely lost the dressing room and the levels fell through the floor. Therefore ETH decided to make his own assumptions. I can see why when you look at the talent on offer at Utd anyone from the outside would scratch their head and ask why they perform so poorly. You’ve got to back yourself to make this lot play better for starters And I firmly believe that they will play better under Erik.
As for new signings - I think ETH is being allowed to drive the narrative.
As for outgoings - I think post tour we will see the result of what Erik and his team have assessed.
I certainly expect a few departures soon. And hopefully some sensible loan deals.
I also expect at least 2 more signings. Don’t think FDJ going to happen. Also fully expect to see CR7 leave. Do t think you can blame Murtough for that.
Windkw still open and tour now finished. Think we need to really assess come 1st sep.
As for new signings - I think ETH is being allowed to drive the narrative.
As for outgoings - I think post tour we will see the result of what Erik and his team have assessed.
I certainly expect a few departures soon. And hopefully some sensible loan deals.
I also expect at least 2 more signings. Don’t think FDJ going to happen. Also fully expect to see CR7 leave. Do t think you can blame Murtough for that.
Windkw still open and tour now finished. Think we need to really assess come 1st sep.
No, no, no, you don't understand. It's all Woodward's fault because Woodward just left in March and this is all a result of Woodward's control still lingering around. Ffs the poor man literally assumed power seconds ago.
ETH? Murtough genius. Rangnick?
These deals are incredibly complex and beyond your tiny scope of understanding. Let the experts do their work.
We signed Ten Hag in April. He had 2 months to define targets with ETH (and outgoings) and prepare himself for this summer. His preparation for this summer and execution can only be matched with Ed's in his first season when we signed Moyes.
Our plan A, B and C were Eriksen, De Jong, Lisandro/Timber and Antony. And he should have been aware of all problems around those transfers.
Our plan A, B and C were Eriksen, De Jong, Lisandro/Timber and Antony. And he should have been aware of all problems around those transfers.
No way. That was the summer when Ed "Watch This Space" Woodward took a big line and announced he is leaving Australia for urgent transfer business, only to spend the next few days sobering in his bed. Dithering on Thiago, chasing goose in Fabregas case and then spending 4 million extra on Fellaini after his release clause expired. Rounding all that with three amigos trying to seal the deal for Ander Herrera.
Seriously, someone should just send the script to Terry Gilliam.
Yeah, Ed did a mess that year but there is one big difference comparing with this summer; we were champions year before back then and our plan for that summer wasn't big.
This summer we had huge plans and we gave it to rookie to do it. What can go wrong, eh?
He was asked to help out when Rangnick was interim because we didn't have a complete coaching staff. And Rangnick wasn't questioning why Fletcher was involved in coaching. He just didn't know what his exact role at the club was but of course everybody ran with this and used it to have a dig.
Everything I've read on Fletcher is positive. Nobody has had a bad word to say about him. He's very knowledgeable, that was clear to the likes of Fergie and other managers he played under and you could see it when he did punditry work. He's in constant communication with our youth players about future plans and development which is his role.
Am not thrilled either. First of all, all our options are ETH choices, so you have to (again) question DoF role in the club. No way Antony can be your only forward option going into the window and this is where DoF along with scouts should step in. That is my biggest problem in fact.
Am still excited with ETH and what he can do purely with his coaching, so it's definitely not all negative (Eriksen might turn out to be pretty shrewd signing and Martinez could help in defence considering our other options). I mean, what's the point in signing Sancho for big money and then give him to Solskjaer.
Also, there is some time left and will reserve judgement until the end of the window. But, yeah, it is far from ideal atm.
I trust ETH but would love to know the reason behind going for a LB and a CB over a striker or a winger.
Don't have very high hopes for the upcoming season.
If we can pull off FDJ that would be massive and could push us into top four, without him I'm not sure.
Don't have very high hopes for the upcoming season.
If we can pull off FDJ that would be massive and could push us into top four, without him I'm not sure.
The problem is that a DoF should be held to account as much as a manager, and the people putting the DoF in place should also not escape attention. If they fail you can bet your bottom dollar ETH will get the flack.
I will be livid if it ends up that we finally get a decent manager who fails due to the ham-fisted, blundering ineptitude of this joker, and the ignorant selfishness of the people who thought it was a good idea to employ from within (both Arnold and Murtough) rather than looking for talent who want to and can transform the club.
The changes made since he was employed are allegedly encouraging but the main indicator-improving the team has been found wanting.
I will be livid if it ends up that we finally get a decent manager who fails due to the ham-fisted, blundering ineptitude of this joker, and the ignorant selfishness of the people who thought it was a good idea to employ from within (both Arnold and Murtough) rather than looking for talent who want to and can transform the club.
The changes made since he was employed are allegedly encouraging but the main indicator-improving the team has been found wanting.
I agree you have to question murtoughs impact.
If the manager is identifying the targets, he is basically just acting as a negotiator and I don't even feel like negotiations are being handled competently
So far he is doing shitty job regarding planning and transfers but i do hope that he will do something with scouting section. When you look at the past (including SAF era); when did we buy a young gem (except Ronaldo)?
Remember when Arnold told the fans this guy was working 20 hours a day
Now this ’new back room team’ (all been at a failing United for about 10 years) are hiring SAF and Gil as advisor…also known as they’re fecking clueless and need help.
Season starts in a week. We have a young LB, a free transfer in Eriksen and Martinez what the freak have they been doing. If the FdJ deal doesn’t happen heads should roll.
Now this ’new back room team’ (all been at a failing United for about 10 years) are hiring SAF and Gil as advisor…also known as they’re fecking clueless and need help.
Season starts in a week. We have a young LB, a free transfer in Eriksen and Martinez what the freak have they been doing. If the FdJ deal doesn’t happen heads should roll.
Absolutely bossing the window.
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