I'm concerned at Big Andy's interest in Plech's crack.
The Game
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He got me to photograph my gaping crack from various suggestive angles, and email him the images...
Is he offering suggestions as to how to fill the crack?
No, he just passed it on to a mate
people will always have different opinions on who is better. i love the game. i am from LA so i think my views on him are biased in a favorable way. i think his lyrics are great and i can bump his album in my car and enjoy it. unlike 90% of rappers these days, game really IS hard. he is what hip hop needs, especially west coast hiphop, which has been quiet for a while now. he is humble in that he has respect for everyone doing their thing, old timers, underground, mainstream, whoever.. he had love for all of them. it's only when faggits like 50cent and few others start hatin on him when game has to stand his ground.
just curious, for those who dont like the game, do you like 50cent and Gay-Unit? i personally hate 50cent, i dont know why so many people swallow his BS. what a sell-out.. candy shop? game would tear him to pieces lyrically AND physically. 50cent runs away and avoids game cuz he's scared. well, those are my opinions. i love the game, ya'll can argue saying he's nowhere near ice cube or whatever, but i think he's one of the best out right now. i can buy his album and actually listen to the whole thing, which is something i can't do for most hip hop artists.
just curious, for those who dont like the game, do you like 50cent and Gay-Unit? i personally hate 50cent, i dont know why so many people swallow his BS. what a sell-out.. candy shop? game would tear him to pieces lyrically AND physically. 50cent runs away and avoids game cuz he's scared. well, those are my opinions. i love the game, ya'll can argue saying he's nowhere near ice cube or whatever, but i think he's one of the best out right now. i can buy his album and actually listen to the whole thing, which is something i can't do for most hip hop artists.
I've never understood what the heck rappers were saying(or rapping). They're usually annoying cnuts who want to make themselves look 'cool' (or should I say gangsta). Except of course eminem and 50 cents and a few others.
I cant believe I posted in this thread.
I've sent Hectics posts to my mate, who talks like a rapper...and look what he's sent back...this is brilliant...
The idea that game chose to have no dre production so that he could grow and blossom as an artist as he has claimed is ridiculous. He has no dre production because dre dropped him from Aftermath because dre is a b**tch and is scared of 50. what is so funny is that despite the fact that dre has b**tched him out (although he recently phoned Game to congratulate him on his classic album - b**tch) is that the album is f**k'n called Doctor's Adviocate!!!
This is total and utter garbage. Its just so wrong I can't think of how to respond to this. Cube made his name off of violent and shocking original story-telling, not telling us that his hero was eazy and he used to sell dope but now he's best friend with dre and rides in Snoop's lambo.... Even at his most gangsta for right and for wrong Cube was always political not a money grabbing ho
He is ONE of the best and is still underrated because he is a west coast gangsta rapper and not a darling of New York art lofts like feckin' Guru (and I love guru gangstarr is classic sh*t)
Dre discovered Cube and guided him to become the mc that he became, Eazy put the whole hustling gangsta sh*t on there and Jerry Heller knew how to f**k'n market them. Cube may have been nothing without dre, eazy and Jerry but he got an opportunity and is easily the most talented mc out of nwa (over Ren and D.O.C imo even if D.O.C wasn't exactly in NWA. He "admitted" this because eazy is dead and we all know what happens when entertainers die they become the legends they never were.
You are right his old mixtapes are good but he got murdered by Joe Budden and Yukmouth in his early beefs. I haven't heard his new album but I'm sure it is good. the track with Nas and Marsha is amazing. He IS outshone by Ya Boy and Juice on BWS Vol 1. I don't think I have heard a flow as sick as Ya Boy's on 100 Bars of Crack in a long time. That's not a criticism of Game I like the mixtape and he undoubtedly contributes a lot to it.
He is one of the best unquestionably - no one will give him the credit he deserves.
With the exception of Masta Ace and big l cos he's dead all of these artists have done classic things but they do not have the consistency of cube imo - but you don't have to agree with me I'm not saying Cube is the best just one of the best all these artists particularly Rakim, CL Smooth and Big L are legends. You can add dozens of names to that list big daddy kane...
Please a couple of mixtapes and features! He's just young and has some talent
Thank you. Never said he was the best but he is one of the best. As an all round mc lyrics, flow and presence few can f**k with him.
The idea that game chose to have no dre production so that he could grow and blossom as an artist as he has claimed is ridiculous. He has no dre production because dre dropped him from Aftermath because dre is a b**tch and is scared of 50. what is so funny is that despite the fact that dre has b**tched him out (although he recently phoned Game to congratulate him on his classic album - b**tch) is that the album is f**k'n called Doctor's Adviocate!!!
This is total and utter garbage. Its just so wrong I can't think of how to respond to this. Cube made his name off of violent and shocking original story-telling, not telling us that his hero was eazy and he used to sell dope but now he's best friend with dre and rides in Snoop's lambo.... Even at his most gangsta for right and for wrong Cube was always political not a money grabbing ho
He is ONE of the best and is still underrated because he is a west coast gangsta rapper and not a darling of New York art lofts like feckin' Guru (and I love guru gangstarr is classic sh*t)
Dre discovered Cube and guided him to become the mc that he became, Eazy put the whole hustling gangsta sh*t on there and Jerry Heller knew how to f**k'n market them. Cube may have been nothing without dre, eazy and Jerry but he got an opportunity and is easily the most talented mc out of nwa (over Ren and D.O.C imo even if D.O.C wasn't exactly in NWA. He "admitted" this because eazy is dead and we all know what happens when entertainers die they become the legends they never were.
You are right his old mixtapes are good but he got murdered by Joe Budden and Yukmouth in his early beefs. I haven't heard his new album but I'm sure it is good. the track with Nas and Marsha is amazing. He IS outshone by Ya Boy and Juice on BWS Vol 1. I don't think I have heard a flow as sick as Ya Boy's on 100 Bars of Crack in a long time. That's not a criticism of Game I like the mixtape and he undoubtedly contributes a lot to it.
He is one of the best unquestionably - no one will give him the credit he deserves.
With the exception of Masta Ace and big l cos he's dead all of these artists have done classic things but they do not have the consistency of cube imo - but you don't have to agree with me I'm not saying Cube is the best just one of the best all these artists particularly Rakim, CL Smooth and Big L are legends. You can add dozens of names to that list big daddy kane...
Please a couple of mixtapes and features! He's just young and has some talent
Thank you. Never said he was the best but he is one of the best. As an all round mc lyrics, flow and presence few can f**k with him.
Plech, please tell me that was Slabber who sent that...
Please.
That's if you've not fallen out over internet matters again.
Please.
That's if you've not fallen out over internet matters again.
Plechazunga said:
Actually you will find Game did in fact not feature any Dre production as it was his choice, in a recent interview Game said Dre congratulated him on a classic album and he will be working with him again.
What the hell does your friend no about Papoose? A couple of mixtapes? fecking hell, Papoose has done 16 mixtapes....he has done more music then the average artist, and theres a reason why he is classed as the best lyricist. And hes not young either, hes nearly 30.
How the hell can he say Masta Ace has not done 'classic things', his albums Slaughta House and Sittin' On Chrome were called the best in hiphop, he is by far the most underrated rapper.
And Cube made his name from calling out people just as Game is doing, thats what Game was known for most, his disses to N.W.A, Common, Cypress Hill just to name a few.
My point about Eazy E being significant was just a reply to someone taking the piss out of Game for having Eazy E has a hero.
Oh, and Game killed Buddens off early, Buddens never even replied to Games last diss track against him and left it at that, the Yukmouth is questionable, I think Game had the upper hand but I can understand if people say Yukmouth was as good as him in their battles.
All in all, I can name far better rappers then Cube, im not saying he wasn't great but to say he was the best is ridiculous, their were better lyricists, with better flows then him all day long. Cube was an important part of Gangsta Rap and Hip-Hop, no denying it but he wasn't the best and he never will be.
Big Andy said:
No Bandy, Slabs doesn't like hip-hop
Hectic, I've passed your points on...I can't see them going down well...all I can say is, too much blood has been spilled already niggaz, let's all keep this under control...
Plechazunga said:
I thought he did...them turks love pretending they is black, innit...
I thought he'd pimped out his 1.1i Fiat Punto so it was phat...rollin' on dubs an ting.
Holler.
I'd like to just make a plea for calm here. Peace out, playas
Way too many brothers already been sent to the blacklands over internet wars this year...I buried way too many gimps and spastics with my own hands, niggaz
Way too many brothers already been sent to the blacklands over internet wars this year...I buried way too many gimps and spastics with my own hands, niggaz
Im tired, who's your friends favourite artist? and who are yours Plech?
To be fair Plech, Hectic can't be killed, as he provides me with links to Lost series 3...
You got a beef with hectic, you got a beef with me...
I prefer lamb to be honest.
You got a beef with hectic, you got a beef with me...
I prefer lamb to be honest.
Do vegetarian rappers have tofu with each other?
Are you still a veggie plech, you vapid nonce...
Are you still a veggie plech, you vapid nonce...
I have got beef with you Andy...you haven't posted a Farmer's Eleven yet...niggaz been sent down for less
I'll ask him. I like most stuff, although almost all West Coast gangsta stuff since Chronic 2001 has bored me senseless...if I had to pick a favourite I guess it would be Wu Tang
Hectic said:
I'll ask him. I like most stuff, although almost all West Coast gangsta stuff since Chronic 2001 has bored me senseless...if I had to pick a favourite I guess it would be Wu Tang
Big Andy said:
Yes...though i can't really remember why anymore
I hardly miss meat at all though, except crispy aromatic duck in Chinese restaurants...that sends me wild
Big Andy said:
Good call! I cant believe the break were on now though, although it will be pretty good when it comes back, in the space of two days each week there will be all of my favourite shows
24, Lost, Prison Break, Heroes.
My mate has come back with some more hot shit, another classic reply for y'all to vibe wit':
Game spent months saying DA would feature dre production then he said he was stayting on Aftermath when 50 cent said he had been dropped, then he wouldn't comment on whether he was dropped or had dre production, then he dissed Bishop ("you're Hittman in quicksand") and apparently recorded a diss track to dre which will not see the light of day. only in the last few weeks has Jimmy Henchman and game come out with this I'm like snoop; dre is letting me blossom and grow cr*p. if you believe this sh*t you're an idiot. Phone call was another game comment totally unconfirmed. Imo Dre will work with game because Dre is b**tch made and game is a star who is bull dozing through the rap game without g-unit, aftermath or his brother's street cats and fair play to him for that. Dre will work with him again because of that.
Check out this review of DA, haven't heard the album (which I am really looking forward to) - but this captures what is so weak about game (he is still one of the best new-ish artists).
Why you hate the Game?
That question is the title of the last track on the new album by the Game, the petulant hip-hop star from Compton, Calif. He’s not really looking for answers, but answers aren’t hard to find. Why would anyone hate this guy? Well, maybe because he’s an overbearing braggart, a tireless name-dropper, a mealy-mouthed provocateur, a sluggish rapper, a witless wag and a shameless sycophant. For a start.
And yet, barring some last-minute surprise, he has made the best hip-hop album of the year. It’s called “Doctor’s Advocate” (Geffen), and it comes out on Tuesday. (Although pirated copies surfaced last week.) And it puts the Game’s booming voice and bad attitude front and center. He’s needy in the worst way: desperate to be loved, respected, feared. And instead of hiding that neediness, he flaunts it; the result is a riveting portrait of the artist as a wannabe.
Let’s start with that title, which is either a heartfelt tribute, a desperate ploy, a veiled insult or — most likely — some combination of the three. In 2005, when the Game released his major-label debut, “The Documentary,” he was a protégé of both 50 Cent and Dr. Dre, the producer who helped invent the sound of Los Angeles hip-hop. Then 50 Cent and the Game began their noisy feud. It often seemed they were vying for Dr. Dre’s attention: The Game claimed that Dr. Dre would contribute to his second album; 50 Cent swore the producer would not.
50 Cent was right: Dr. Dre stayed away. But the Game decided to forge ahead anyway with “Doctor’s Advocate”; it’s hard to think of another rapper who would name an album after someone who declined to work on it. And in the extraordinary title track, the Game apologizes to his childhood hero, sort of. The first verse begins with a rapper who sounds as if he’s about to cry:
Dre, I ain’t mean to turn my back on you
But I’m a man, and sometimes a man do what he gotta do
Remember? I’m from Compton, too
I saw you and Eazy in ’em, so I started wearing khaki suits
I was 12, smoking chronic in ’92
Those extremes — the plaintive “Remember?”; the defiant “I’m a man” — echo through the verses. And though neither is totally convincing, it’s hard to tell where the Game’s bad faith stops. Is he merely pretending to be contrite? Or is he merely pretending to be defiant? Or, somehow, both? The skits that frame the song make it even harder to unravel. (The Game is drunk and depressed; Busta Rhymes tries to rouse him.)
The Game is clearly obsessed with the rappers who came before him, and it’s an obsession that demands a tally. In the course of 16 songs, he makes reference to no less than 44 different hip-hop stars, including two named Ice (Cube and -T), three named Lil (Jon, Kim and Wayne) and two named Young (Jeezy and M.C.). And no one comes up more often than Dr. Dre, whose name finds its way into nearly every song. By album’s end he has been invoked about 30 times; the absent mentor is everywhere.
Despite Dr. Dre’s absence, this album sounds much more like an Los Angeles album than its predecessor. “Too Much” has a typically smooth sung hook by Nate Dogg and a spot-on beat by Scott Storch, who knows how to make a track sound Dre-ish. (You’ll need a fluid bass line, some spare keyboard notes, some cinematic strings, an impossibly hard backbeat.) Hi-Tek produced the slow-rolling “Ol’ English,” a tribute to the Game’s favorite malt liquor and his favorite typeface, too. Even will.i.am, from the Black Eyed Peas, gets in on the act: he produced “Compton,” which lovingly recreates the menacing sound of old-fashioned gangsta rap.
The Game’s flow couldn’t possibly be described as nimble. (Neither could his wordplay: “Get stretched out like a limo”?) But he has a terrific voice, bassy and raspy, and there’s something enthralling about the way he pushes through to the end of the line, often falling slightly behind the beat, and sometimes straining to cram in extra words. He knows the value of negative space, so he doesn’t fill the songs with chatter and noise; he clearly loves the sound of sharp consonants and hoarse vowels over a half-empty beat. Compared with slick Southern rappers or wordy New York rappers, the Game is a minimalist, a true believer in the power of simplicity.
That simplicity has often been a hindrance on mixtapes, where you can find many of his vituperative but dull rhymes about 50 Cent. But here, the stripped-down approach serves him well. He knows how to reduce a violent story to its bare essentials: “Used to think that I was hard, so I stole my brother’s Glock/And that’s the day my life changed, ’cause that night, he got shot/Killed by another Crip over his Rolex watch.” It’s an appalling little story, but you can detect a hint of bravado in his voice, the same bravado, perhaps, that makes a boy steal a gun. If this album is a little bit less fun than “The Documentary,” it’s also a lot more memorable.
In hip-hop flawed protagonists rule; no one wants to hear a (purely) good guy rap. But the Game has an unusual flaw: his problem is that he really wants to be a hip-hop star, wants it so badly he can’t disguise it. He probably knows it’s a bad idea to call himself the “West Coast Rakim,” or to boast, “I’m B.I.G., I’m Cube, I’m Nas, I’m ’Pac,” or to obsequiously praise Snoop Dogg in nearly every song. He probably knows that thinly veiled criticisms of other rappers won’t earn him the respect he wants. (At one point he raps, “I don’t need no ‘Encore,’ no claps, no cheers,” alluding to the Jay-Z song.) He probably knows it’s embarrassing to release a whole CD about a guy who doesn’t seem to be returning his calls. But he is doing it anyway.
You don’t have to admire the Game’s approach to love this album. Even the Game’s many detractors may find themselves falling for these trunk-rattling tracks, whether they admit it or not. But the more you listen to these rhymes, the less unfathomable they seem. If the Game sounds too insecure, too greedy for admiration, too worried about how he’s perceived, well, maybe he’s not the only one. In other words, you might never grow to love that scowling poseur on the cover. But you just might recognize him.
Obviously not as much as you but let's hear papoose on a major label come out with something as controversial and lyrical as death certificate or amerika's most wanted. It's not going to happen. Papoose sounds to me like a lyrical jay-z in terms of voice without the clever word play. No doubt he is prolific on mix-tapes but so once was lloyd banks!
I said apart from big l and masta ace all those rappers have done classic things but inconsistently. I love masta ace I totally agree with you he is totally underrated he has CONSISTENTLY produced classic material and is becoming a legend - I was singling him out as being very consistent.
Cube made his name from much else aside from diss tracks. The diss tracks in his locker are absolutely classic hip hop disses. They are not "name dropping" records. I wasn't criticising game for calling people out - I am not saying game's diss tracks are where he name drops. I was talking about verse after verse of game s**king 50, dre, em and snoop's dicks on the Documentary and he hasn't stopped since. The g-unit beef has been the best thing he has done; 300 bars, 120 bars, 240 bars and 360 are absolutely brilliant but they are not in the league of no vaseline king of the hill etc.
Fair enough. I love eazy.
more to come...this is turning into an amazing thread, spackaz
hectic said:
Game spent months saying DA would feature dre production then he said he was stayting on Aftermath when 50 cent said he had been dropped, then he wouldn't comment on whether he was dropped or had dre production, then he dissed Bishop ("you're Hittman in quicksand") and apparently recorded a diss track to dre which will not see the light of day. only in the last few weeks has Jimmy Henchman and game come out with this I'm like snoop; dre is letting me blossom and grow cr*p. if you believe this sh*t you're an idiot. Phone call was another game comment totally unconfirmed. Imo Dre will work with game because Dre is b**tch made and game is a star who is bull dozing through the rap game without g-unit, aftermath or his brother's street cats and fair play to him for that. Dre will work with him again because of that.
Check out this review of DA, haven't heard the album (which I am really looking forward to) - but this captures what is so weak about game (he is still one of the best new-ish artists).
Why you hate the Game?
That question is the title of the last track on the new album by the Game, the petulant hip-hop star from Compton, Calif. He’s not really looking for answers, but answers aren’t hard to find. Why would anyone hate this guy? Well, maybe because he’s an overbearing braggart, a tireless name-dropper, a mealy-mouthed provocateur, a sluggish rapper, a witless wag and a shameless sycophant. For a start.
And yet, barring some last-minute surprise, he has made the best hip-hop album of the year. It’s called “Doctor’s Advocate” (Geffen), and it comes out on Tuesday. (Although pirated copies surfaced last week.) And it puts the Game’s booming voice and bad attitude front and center. He’s needy in the worst way: desperate to be loved, respected, feared. And instead of hiding that neediness, he flaunts it; the result is a riveting portrait of the artist as a wannabe.
Let’s start with that title, which is either a heartfelt tribute, a desperate ploy, a veiled insult or — most likely — some combination of the three. In 2005, when the Game released his major-label debut, “The Documentary,” he was a protégé of both 50 Cent and Dr. Dre, the producer who helped invent the sound of Los Angeles hip-hop. Then 50 Cent and the Game began their noisy feud. It often seemed they were vying for Dr. Dre’s attention: The Game claimed that Dr. Dre would contribute to his second album; 50 Cent swore the producer would not.
50 Cent was right: Dr. Dre stayed away. But the Game decided to forge ahead anyway with “Doctor’s Advocate”; it’s hard to think of another rapper who would name an album after someone who declined to work on it. And in the extraordinary title track, the Game apologizes to his childhood hero, sort of. The first verse begins with a rapper who sounds as if he’s about to cry:
Dre, I ain’t mean to turn my back on you
But I’m a man, and sometimes a man do what he gotta do
Remember? I’m from Compton, too
I saw you and Eazy in ’em, so I started wearing khaki suits
I was 12, smoking chronic in ’92
Those extremes — the plaintive “Remember?”; the defiant “I’m a man” — echo through the verses. And though neither is totally convincing, it’s hard to tell where the Game’s bad faith stops. Is he merely pretending to be contrite? Or is he merely pretending to be defiant? Or, somehow, both? The skits that frame the song make it even harder to unravel. (The Game is drunk and depressed; Busta Rhymes tries to rouse him.)
The Game is clearly obsessed with the rappers who came before him, and it’s an obsession that demands a tally. In the course of 16 songs, he makes reference to no less than 44 different hip-hop stars, including two named Ice (Cube and -T), three named Lil (Jon, Kim and Wayne) and two named Young (Jeezy and M.C.). And no one comes up more often than Dr. Dre, whose name finds its way into nearly every song. By album’s end he has been invoked about 30 times; the absent mentor is everywhere.
Despite Dr. Dre’s absence, this album sounds much more like an Los Angeles album than its predecessor. “Too Much” has a typically smooth sung hook by Nate Dogg and a spot-on beat by Scott Storch, who knows how to make a track sound Dre-ish. (You’ll need a fluid bass line, some spare keyboard notes, some cinematic strings, an impossibly hard backbeat.) Hi-Tek produced the slow-rolling “Ol’ English,” a tribute to the Game’s favorite malt liquor and his favorite typeface, too. Even will.i.am, from the Black Eyed Peas, gets in on the act: he produced “Compton,” which lovingly recreates the menacing sound of old-fashioned gangsta rap.
The Game’s flow couldn’t possibly be described as nimble. (Neither could his wordplay: “Get stretched out like a limo”?) But he has a terrific voice, bassy and raspy, and there’s something enthralling about the way he pushes through to the end of the line, often falling slightly behind the beat, and sometimes straining to cram in extra words. He knows the value of negative space, so he doesn’t fill the songs with chatter and noise; he clearly loves the sound of sharp consonants and hoarse vowels over a half-empty beat. Compared with slick Southern rappers or wordy New York rappers, the Game is a minimalist, a true believer in the power of simplicity.
That simplicity has often been a hindrance on mixtapes, where you can find many of his vituperative but dull rhymes about 50 Cent. But here, the stripped-down approach serves him well. He knows how to reduce a violent story to its bare essentials: “Used to think that I was hard, so I stole my brother’s Glock/And that’s the day my life changed, ’cause that night, he got shot/Killed by another Crip over his Rolex watch.” It’s an appalling little story, but you can detect a hint of bravado in his voice, the same bravado, perhaps, that makes a boy steal a gun. If this album is a little bit less fun than “The Documentary,” it’s also a lot more memorable.
In hip-hop flawed protagonists rule; no one wants to hear a (purely) good guy rap. But the Game has an unusual flaw: his problem is that he really wants to be a hip-hop star, wants it so badly he can’t disguise it. He probably knows it’s a bad idea to call himself the “West Coast Rakim,” or to boast, “I’m B.I.G., I’m Cube, I’m Nas, I’m ’Pac,” or to obsequiously praise Snoop Dogg in nearly every song. He probably knows that thinly veiled criticisms of other rappers won’t earn him the respect he wants. (At one point he raps, “I don’t need no ‘Encore,’ no claps, no cheers,” alluding to the Jay-Z song.) He probably knows it’s embarrassing to release a whole CD about a guy who doesn’t seem to be returning his calls. But he is doing it anyway.
You don’t have to admire the Game’s approach to love this album. Even the Game’s many detractors may find themselves falling for these trunk-rattling tracks, whether they admit it or not. But the more you listen to these rhymes, the less unfathomable they seem. If the Game sounds too insecure, too greedy for admiration, too worried about how he’s perceived, well, maybe he’s not the only one. In other words, you might never grow to love that scowling poseur on the cover. But you just might recognize him.
hectic said:
Obviously not as much as you but let's hear papoose on a major label come out with something as controversial and lyrical as death certificate or amerika's most wanted. It's not going to happen. Papoose sounds to me like a lyrical jay-z in terms of voice without the clever word play. No doubt he is prolific on mix-tapes but so once was lloyd banks!
hectic said:
I said apart from big l and masta ace all those rappers have done classic things but inconsistently. I love masta ace I totally agree with you he is totally underrated he has CONSISTENTLY produced classic material and is becoming a legend - I was singling him out as being very consistent.
hectic said:
Cube made his name from much else aside from diss tracks. The diss tracks in his locker are absolutely classic hip hop disses. They are not "name dropping" records. I wasn't criticising game for calling people out - I am not saying game's diss tracks are where he name drops. I was talking about verse after verse of game s**king 50, dre, em and snoop's dicks on the Documentary and he hasn't stopped since. The g-unit beef has been the best thing he has done; 300 bars, 120 bars, 240 bars and 360 are absolutely brilliant but they are not in the league of no vaseline king of the hill etc.
hectic said:
Fair enough. I love eazy.
more to come...this is turning into an amazing thread, spackaz
cnut'd...
I'll take that I've never really subscribed to the budden and yukmouth killed game theory, I just said it cos this bloke p**ed me off. Game is dope and can hold his own in any battle imo. I never wanted to hate on game, I like him and think he is talented, he is just not on cube's level.
Never said he was the best. There have been better lyricists , definitely rappers with better flows (WC kills Cube flow-wise on every single track they are on together). Cube is such a compelling artist though because he unusally combines lyricism with gangsterism with political content with flow and raw energy. He is not the best rapper that ever lived, I agree with you he is one of the most important figures in gangsta rap and hip hop glad we can agree on something...
[sounds like a ray of hope for inter-forum reconciliation at the end here...but I would certainly not rule out, at this early stage, at least one posta ending up lying on the hot concrete, with all types of blookd coming out of him, like, "Aw, man! How do I say goodbye? "]
hectic said:
I'll take that I've never really subscribed to the budden and yukmouth killed game theory, I just said it cos this bloke p**ed me off. Game is dope and can hold his own in any battle imo. I never wanted to hate on game, I like him and think he is talented, he is just not on cube's level.
hectic said:
Never said he was the best. There have been better lyricists , definitely rappers with better flows (WC kills Cube flow-wise on every single track they are on together). Cube is such a compelling artist though because he unusally combines lyricism with gangsterism with political content with flow and raw energy. He is not the best rapper that ever lived, I agree with you he is one of the most important figures in gangsta rap and hip hop glad we can agree on something...
[sounds like a ray of hope for inter-forum reconciliation at the end here...but I would certainly not rule out, at this early stage, at least one posta ending up lying on the hot concrete, with all types of blookd coming out of him, like, "Aw, man! How do I say goodbye? "]
Plechazunga said:
Theres a lot of points I agree with him on, my mistake about the Masta Ace thing, I misread it, agreed hes amazing
Papoose - I think Papoose has more hunger then Jay-Z and has a lot more of a political standpoint, his lyrics are unmatched and hopefully he wont go commercial and change but that remains to be seen. So far his mixtapes alone are as good as anything I have heard.
Game - I think we agree that we both like the game, Im from the viewpoint that 'The Doctor's Advocate' was a conscious decision to not have Dre in it. And yes it is correct he went on record earlier saying he was going to be featuring Dre's production but he changed his mind, that doesn't mean it was a last minute decision because Dre dropped him. I really believe it was his choice to imitate what Eazy-E did back on '187'. The Buddens and Yukmouth disses were good, I think Game easily got rid of Buddens and especially one track stood out 'Buddens', where he ended him there. Yukmouth was a lot harder and came out at Game stronger but I still think Game came out on top, its worth listening to both sides because there are some great lyrics aimed at each other on those tracks.
Ice Cube - I can see what your saying, and to assume Game is on Ice Cube's level might be wrong when you take into the context of what Cube did for Hip-Hop, but all I was arguing originally was Game had nice lyrics and I didn't agree Cube was the best which we both agree on anyway.
Name-Dropping - I think we were talking about different points, but I see what your saying. And true Vaseline and King Of The Hill is better then any of Games 'Bars' tracks but remember a couple of those were freestyles, however I do feel that Games diss tracks to Buddens and Yukmouth are as good as the Cube diss tracks.
Anyways i got to go Uni, ill be back in a few hours! I feel we were making some progress there Plech as well.
Break yoselves niggas!
Check yourself before you wreck yourself
Desert Eagle said:
I know that, but I don't believe for a minute that he's "hard." He's a rapper, no longer a gang banger and I doubt if he ever did any of the stuff (aside from selling cocaine) that they talk about. Ditto for Cube, Dre, Eazy (I know he sold drugs), Game if they are making records they are not out there taking people out with AK-47's, ask John Lee Malvo what happens to you when you do that shit.
Fifty Cent got shot 9 times because he shot his mouth off at someone who was "hard," the shooter; however, has never released a rap record, has he?
Everyone's peddled some drugs in their lives. Peace.
My lyrical tendency's equivalent to a critical felony
Precise behind bars like a criminal's penalty
Pinnacle definitely, hold so much jewels in my miracle memory
It's like I'm a physical treasury
Deep into weaponry, psychotic niggas who envy me
Wanna be nuts, so I bust nuts like my genitals sexually
Punished in my mother's stomach by swimmin through Hennessy
I was born with a difficult destiny, not your typical mentally
Givin my vision through treacheries
Syllable therapy, invincible visual energy
No artist identity resemble me, I flow like a mineral chemically
Cause I flow with a chemical chemistry
I can flow like the river through Tennessee
The mystical seventh sea, or currency at the Senegal embassy
At birth although it's umbilical regulary
They cut a mic chord and disconnected me
Leaders political threaten me for what I write in my lyrical melody
While others broke laws, I broke lyrical legacies
Flip forever, live for infinite, respect the P
It's Papoose, I conquered this calibre, next degree
Precise behind bars like a criminal's penalty
Pinnacle definitely, hold so much jewels in my miracle memory
It's like I'm a physical treasury
Deep into weaponry, psychotic niggas who envy me
Wanna be nuts, so I bust nuts like my genitals sexually
Punished in my mother's stomach by swimmin through Hennessy
I was born with a difficult destiny, not your typical mentally
Givin my vision through treacheries
Syllable therapy, invincible visual energy
No artist identity resemble me, I flow like a mineral chemically
Cause I flow with a chemical chemistry
I can flow like the river through Tennessee
The mystical seventh sea, or currency at the Senegal embassy
At birth although it's umbilical regulary
They cut a mic chord and disconnected me
Leaders political threaten me for what I write in my lyrical melody
While others broke laws, I broke lyrical legacies
Flip forever, live for infinite, respect the P
It's Papoose, I conquered this calibre, next degree
Plechazunga said:
We agree on one thing at least, Plechazunga.
Dr. Dwayne said:
Yeah but most of these guys were hustlers or dealers. In the lower levels of the drug game so as soon as they made somerealmoneyit wouldbe stupid for them to continue their little hustle. Why risk it??? Anybody with sense that listen to rap knows that these guys are just selling an image. But the image is baed on reality and there are actually some people who do the stuff in raps and that is what makes it compelling.
Dubai_Devil said:
that's pretty ropey
Dr. Dwayne said:
We agree on one thing at least, Plechazunga.
36 chambers is in my opinion the greatest 2 disc rap album ever made
Plechazunga said:
It's alright, I don't think i've actually heard that song yet but i've downloaded most of his mixtapes and it's easily some of the best stuff out there right now.
Yo shut the feck up bitch
Desert Eagle said:
Yes, I agree with you there, Desert Eagle. I recognize that there are people out there who are doing those things, but we have to be clear that, aside from slangin' dope, most of these guys have probably never shot a gun, let alone killed someone. Rap is poetry, set to music, William Butler Yeats with a turntable...ain't nathin' hard about that.
Dubai_Devil said:
Papoose is a class above anyone else, he also doesnt write most of his lyrics, he justs thinks them up and spits them, jay-z does the same thing for the majority of his songs. Thats why Papoose does so many freestyles.
I can't stand Jay-Z's lyrics...some of his rhymes are very clever, in the sense that he can say two words that don't rhyme at all and sort of make them sound like they rhyme...but he virtually never, ever says anything of interest
"I grew up on the streets...and now I'm a superstar. I was selling rocks...now I've got my own label..." WHO GIVES A FECK?
What Jay-Z has is his sort of slack, easy style, which is pretty cool...but thats it. I'd rather listen to a much less accomplished freestyler who actually had something to say.
"I grew up on the streets...and now I'm a superstar. I was selling rocks...now I've got my own label..." WHO GIVES A FECK?
What Jay-Z has is his sort of slack, easy style, which is pretty cool...but thats it. I'd rather listen to a much less accomplished freestyler who actually had something to say.
Plechazunga said:
Jay-Z 'Reasonable Doubt' has to be one of the best albums ever made, I dont even like his new stuff but that album was unbelievable, even 'public service announcement' showed he still has it in him to bring back the days of reasonable doubt.
Does he say anything interesting on it?
From my mate:
Plech's mate said: