The First Redcafe Sheep Draft

No, if you get one pick that specific final is fixed.

So choose the final carefully so that you have further options if one of the picks gets blocked.
Is the final fixed or the player? If the player I got played several finals, can I move to a different final and therefore pick from a different team?
 
I have been pretty generous and helpful for this draft considering this is the first one but this one needs to be a bit harsh, which is why I announced it now instead of later. So you have 4 picks left to prevent this damage.

What I'll do is not have a criterion that makes picking a keeper impossible, but beyond that you need to do you job.

Am not worried about the keeper as will get one but the fact that you can'tkick your sheep out from the initial group pf tje players. It was statedin this thread that the first sheep wont matter much as you can pick more then 11 players. Thats why I wasnt fussy about the position of my sheep and took a relative risk with ballack at the end of third round.
 
Picks sent, it doesn't matter if the player is on the subs bench at first and then comes on later does it?
 
Holy crap, like I said a nightmare. Imagine a manager picking a goalkeeper and he is blocked, he has 2 more attempts but can't pick a different goalkeeper :lol:.
:lol: Yeah that's how it goes in multiple pick rounds.

I agree this one's a tough, but you have had more or less an easy ride so far so one tricky round shouldn't be a problem.

I'll make the next one a bit easier, but I wanted at least one round like this one.
 
:lol: Yeah that's how it goes in multiple pick rounds.

I agree this one's a tough, but you have had more or less an easy ride so far so one tricky round shouldn't be a problem.

I'll make the next one a bit easier, but I wanted at least one round like this one.
I love it, well I hate it, but it's still beautiful, even though it really could feck me over :lol:.
 
Am not worried about the keeper as will get one but the fact that you can'tkick your sheep out from the initial group pf tje players. It was statedin this thread that the first sheep wont matter much as you can pick more then 11 players. Thats why I wasnt fussy about the position of my sheep and took a relative risk with ballack at the end of third round.
You are missing out on the fact that if you miss out on the keeper after round 9, you will get a sheep keeper.

Which means you have two sheep picks, and would have to play one. Even though I don't think I stated anything like that officially, it still applies to the point you are making.
 
You are missing out on the fact that if you miss out on the keeper after round 9, you will get a sheep keeper.

Which means you have two sheep picks, and would have to play one. Even though I don't think I stated anything like that officially, it still applies to the point you are making.
Yes but that would ne different as it would be by choice. Not due to misinformation. If that's the case then why not allow people to kick the sheep out? As whoever gets a sheep in round 9 as a keeper will presumably use the twelvth pick for a keeper to mitigate the damage.
 
I made a proper warning that people should not carelessly take risks thinking sheep picks would just go to the bench and nothing would matter but no one gave a shit about it. :lol:

This was one consequence of that warning. Other would be after the tournament starts.
 
Yes but that would ne different as it would be by choice. Not due to misinformation. If that's the case then why not allow people to kick the sheep out? As whoever gets a sheep in round 9 as a keeper will presumably use the twelvth pick for a keeper to mitigate the damage.
Mainly because sheep keeper and sheep outfield player have a lot of difference. A sheep keeper would easily be ignored, all keepers are in the draft so if I allow you to simply replace a sheep pick with a sheep keeper, it is actually repairing some of the damage instead of punishing not respecting a very strict rule that was reminded countless times.

I think 7 managers have a keeper so far while others have tried for it. So they should get a reward for doing so. Balu and Chester went for Kahn and Schmeichel early on when they and well fully know that no matter how good a keeper is he is usally ignored in the tournament. So they did that sacrificing a player that would have mattered a lot more to the outcome later for a keeper and they should be rewarded for it.

Anyhow, you have 4 picks left with 3 attempts for each so you have 12 chances to pick a keeper.
 
I haven't had the time to properly research and I'll be gone for the next 5-6 hours. Apologies if I hold up you guys.
 
It makes no sense to fix a final. What is the thinking behind that?

I don't know how to explain that. You are supposed to choose a final first then the players. It's probably tougher that way than basing it on players which is probably the thinking behind it. Or call it more interesting.

As I said since most of you are finding it tough (I don't think it's that tough once you go beyond the regular cups, the cups finals are endless, well sort of, so you need to do a bit of research.) I'll make the next one easier.

One tough criteria in the whole draft shouldn't be a problem. Take this as a preview of what will happen when anto becomes a mod. I'm sure it would be much, much worse. :lol:
 
More sheeps for everyone!

Or.... this. :drool:

Edit : Actually there won't be a lot of sheep, I think.

Those who get through with one pick have a final fixed, so unless two have chosen the same final (in which case they are really done for :lol:) there shouldn't be much overlap.
 
Mainly because sheep keeper and sheep outfield player have a lot of difference. A sheep keeper would easily be ignored, all keepers are in the draft so if I allow you to simply replace a sheep pick with a sheep keeper, it is actually repairing some of the damage instead of punishing not respecting a very strict rule that was reminded countless times.

I think 7 managers have a keeper so far while others have tried for it. So they should get a reward for doing so. Balu and Chester went for Kahn and Schmeichel early on when they and well fully know that no matter how good a keeper is he is usally ignored in the tournament. So they did that sacrificing a player that would have mattered a lot more to the outcome later for a keeper and they should be rewarded for it.

Anyhow, you have 4 picks left with 3 attempts for each so you have 12 chances to pick a keeper.

Okay. In that case make it that you cant kick the sheep keeper but the other sheep players out? Like I said I wont pick a sheep keeper and am not worried about that. The thing I am arguing against is that the balance of my team has been messed up as I knew the first sheep doesnt matter. If I had known about this ruling, would have played more carefully.
 
Okay. In that case make it that you cant kick the sheep keeper but the other sheep players out? Like I said I wont pick a sheep keeper and am not worried about that. The thing I am arguing against is that the balance of my team has been messed up as I knew the first sheep doesnt matter. If I had known about this ruling, would have played more carefully.

I didn't get you.

Let's take an example. Say you have 12 players after round 9, with no keeper and one sheep pick, right?

Now you are saying I should allot you a sheep keeper and allow you to remove that one sheep pick, which will leave you with 12 players, 1 sheep keeper and 11 regular picks. So in fact your sub wouldn't be a sheep pick but a proper sub and your keeper would be a sheep pick. You see how that massively improved your team instead of being a punishment (and something that should reward others who respected the rules)?

Now, according to the rule posted, you will be allotted one sheep pick keeper, and you need to swap a non sheep pick from your 12 player squad. So you will be left with 12 players, 1 sheep keeper, 1 sheep pick and 10 regular players. So your starting 11 would be 1 sheep keeper and 10 regular players.

How does this mess the balance of your team? You don't have to field a sheep outfielder, you are fielding a sheep keeper because you failed to follow the rule of having a keeper by round 9. And the one sheep you got earlier still stays on your bench.
 
I didn't get you.

Let's take an example. Say you have 12 players after round 9, with no keeper and one sheep pick, right?

Now you are saying I should allot you a sheep keeper and allow you to remove that one sheep pick, which will leave you with 12 players, 1 sheep keeper and 11 regular picks. So in fact your sub wouldn't be a sheep pick but a proper sub and your keeper would be a sheep pick. You see how that massively improved your team instead of being a punishment (and something that should reward others who respected the rules)?

Now, according to the rule posted, you will be allotted one sheep pick keeper, and you need to swap a non sheep pick from your 12 player squad. So you will be left with 12 players, 1 sheep keeper, 1 sheep pick and 10 regular players. So your starting 11 would be 1 sheep keeper and 10 regular players.

How does this mess the balance of your team? You don't have to field a sheep outfielder, you are fielding a sheep keeper because you failed to follow the rule of having a keeper by round 9. And the one sheep you got earlier still stays on your bench.

Wait one second. I might have misunderstood you, if at the end of round 9 I have 12 players(inc. a keeper and a sheep). Do I still remove one of my players to cut my team down to 11 players?
 
Wait one second. I might have misunderstood you, if at the end of round 9 I have 12 players(inc. a keeper and a sheep). Do I still remove one of my players to cut my team down to 11 players?

If you have 12 players including a keeper after round 9, that whole rule is not for you. It is only for those who don't have a keeper at the end of round 9.

If you have a keeper, that's your squad and we move on to the last round where we pick from banned list (to be explained later)
 
If you have 12 players including a keeper after round 9, that whole rule is not for you. It is only for those who don't have a keeper at the end of round 9.

If you have a keeper, that's your squad and we move on to the last round where we pick from banned list (to be explained later)

Thats fine then. I thought you have to remove players to get it down to 11, not to accommodate a keeper.
 
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What I don't agree is all dual picks at end. Makes difficult to have pairing matches this late. By round 4 makes sense, but this late gives no flex.

I wanted to give them earlier but the issue was that a few were still grasping the concept and I didn't want to go back and forth from double to single, so left all of them till the end.

If all of you are finding it difficult to cope with them this late I'll scrap the next double pick and have two single picks instead. That's not a problem for me.

But it's not really tough, the first double pick round had both picks independent of each other anyway. This is the first proper double pick round where two picks are linked.
 
:lol:. Again a brilliant fit for your team, but who are you going to pick from the opposing team?

Two finals though, however much you want to erase the other one ;)

Problem is someone else goes there and we both end up empty-handed!
 
Seriously, it's a double or nothing?

Don't get it. I'm actually taking a bigger risk discarding a picked choice for a unpicked pair. Why should it not be allowed?

Problem is then for every block that has happened you know which final to avoid, thus shouldn't be able to start afresh.
 
Two finals though, however much you want to erase the other one ;)

Problem is someone else goes there and we both end up empty-handed!
Erase what? You're clearly mistaken here.
 
I'll make the next one easier.

Pick 2 players. Full stop :D

One tough criteria in the whole draft shouldn't be a problem. Take this as a preview of what will happen when anto becomes a mod. I'm sure it would be much, much worse. :lol:

TBH, you've used quite a few of my favourite ones, some of which I surely will repeat, others to be added and then some completely random shit. E.g. Round three, "pick someone who faced one of your players in a final. If none of your players played a final tough, you get a sheep for picking shit".
 
Pick 2 players. Full stop :D



TBH, you've used quite a few of my favourite ones, some of which I surely will repeat, others to be added and then some completely random shit. E.g. Round three, "pick someone who faced one of your players in a final. If none of your players played a final tough, you get a sheep for picking shit".
C'mon, not THAT easy. :lol:

And :lol: for that criterion. I'm looking forward to it already.