The First Redcafe Sheep Draft

antohan said:
:confused: I saw something that said "The problem with Francescoli..." halfway through a refresh.
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Ah, OK. I guess there's merit in clarifying it, particularly after seeing MJJs options earlier :lol: Poor bloke was all over the shop, I looked at his options and immediately thought "wait, those chaps never played for Monaco" :lol: And he had submitted Panucci, who had played at the exact same time as Abidal, not just a minor overlap, the exact same team :lol:
 
antohan said:
Without a shadow of a doubt.
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I really wanted Schweinsteiger btw, and Kroos was always the backup for him. I submitted my pick way before the game yesterday, but got really nervous with all the hype around him after the game :D. I really had no backups for Ziege & Kroos and with quite a few managers still looking for fullbacks and CMs, I could have been fecked, truely fecked. Pretty cool, that I have my all German team now. Not exactly how I planned it, but pretty close.
 
He has never recovered from that last game of Werewolf with me banging on about him being a wolf.
 
Balu said:
I really wanted Schweinsteiger btw, and Kroos was always the backup for him. I submitted my pick way before the game yesterday, but got really nervous with all the hype around him after the game :D. I really had no backups for Ziege & Kroos and with quite a few managers still looking for fullbacks and CMs, I could have been fecked, truely fecked. Pretty cool, that I have my all German team now. Not exactly how I planned it, but pretty close.
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You want a snapshot of my last remaining CM options when I went for Schweini? They read: Schweinsteiger, Kroos, no idea. :lol:
 
Cutch said:
Julio Cesar, Toldo, Grosso, Gilberto, Hamann, Camoranesi, Ljungberg, Mijatovic, Ambrosini, Guti, Norman Whiteside, Kily Gonzalez, McManaman, Ze Roberto, Juninho, Riquelme, Sneijder, Zola, Kluivert, Makaay, Morientes, Owen, Trezeguet, Inzaghi were a few names i had that weren't picked
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Others on my list included Moreno Torricelli, Thomas Berthold, Antonio Benarrivo, Michel Salgado, Markus Babbel, Vincent Candela, VNourredine Naybet, Vincent Kompany, Des Walker, Ivan Cordoba, Oleg Kuznetsov, David Platt, Jonas Thern, Andreas Moller, Leonel Alvarez, Paolo Futre, David Silva, Chris Waddle, Youri Djorkaeff, Thomas Hassler, Enzo Francescoli, Juan Carlos Valeron, Burruchaga, Alvaro Recoba, Carlos Valderrama, Davor Suker, Emile Butragueno, Gianluca Vialli, Fernando Torres and Enrico Chiesa.
 
antohan said:
You want a snapshot of my last remaining CM options when I went for Schweini? They read: Schweinsteiger, Kroos, no idea. :lol:
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:D

I had the backup plan with Helmer at centerback and Buchwald in DM next to Effenberg, but with Sammer as libero, it seemed overkill and I wanted a bit more attacking flair. Also, I really wanted the Kroos - Müller connection, both have a brilliant understanding with each other.
 
AldoPaine18 said:
Do all of you see Kroos as more of a CM than AM, then? I've usually been more impressed with his performances as an AM.
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Would you call him an AM in the game last night? He played deeper than Thiago.

The idea right now is:

if I play 433ish:

Müller Klinsmann Basler
Effenberg Kroos
Sammer
Ziege Kohler Buchwald Reuter
Kahn

I'd say that's a pretty good fit for him.
 
Balu said:
Would you call him an AM in the game last night? He played deeper than Thiago.

The idea right now is:

if I play 433ish:

Müller Klinsmann Basler
Effenberg Kroos
Sammer
Ziege Kohler Buchwald Reuter
Kahn

I'd say that's a pretty good fit for him.
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I don't think Pep has had a proper AM in his tactics, he likes his CMs to support each other in most areas and move as required.

He's got most tools to be a top CM in fact last night his performance reminded me of Scholes. I'd still like to see him relieved of the defensive duties.

Fair enough, that formation looks quite good for his role. I had assumed you were playing a 5 man backline in which Kroos would have been pretty deep.
 
My team. I'm really not fussed about the banned players, many of them wouldn't get a look-in and most would just give me an unnecessary selection headache. Please block me so I have two ways to block every round!

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AldoPaine18 said:
I don't think Pep has had a proper AM in his tactics, he likes his CMs to support each other in most areas and move as required.

He's got most tools to be a top CM in fact last night his performance reminded me of Scholes. I'd still like to see him relieved of the defensive duties.

Fair enough, that formation looks quite good for his role. I had assumed you were playing a 5 man backline in which Kroos would have been pretty deep.
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I might play the 5 man backline, not sure yet. Depends on my opponent, but I don't think there's a huge difference in possession. I don't think Kroos should be relieved of defensive duties, why should he? No one should, imo, and he improved a lot defensively in the last 2 years. He's the complete CM package.
 
Balu said:
I might play the 5 man backline, not sure yet. Depends on my opponent, but I don't think there's a huge difference in possession. I don't think Kroos should be relieved of defensive duties, why? No one should and he improved a lot defensively in the last 2 years. He's the complete CM package, imo.
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By defensive duties I meant winning the ball in front of his defensive, he'd always contribute in pressing and all as an AM or CM, but playing him as one of the "pivots" might restrict his forward play. He's got a great strike in him as well, which should be used fully.

Plus Effenberg has a brilliant passing range anyway so if you have him and Frings as the two CMs you already have the ability to dictate play from there.
 
Gio said:
Others on my list included Moreno Torricelli, Thomas Berthold, Antonio Benarrivo, Michel Salgado, Markus Babbel, Vincent Candela, VNourredine Naybet, Vincent Kompany, Des Walker, Ivan Cordoba, Oleg Kuznetsov, David Platt, Jonas Thern, Andreas Moller, Leonel Alvarez, Paolo Futre, David Silva, Chris Waddle, Youri Djorkaeff, Thomas Hassler, Enzo Francescoli, Juan Carlos Valeron, Burruchaga, Alvaro Recoba, Carlos Valderrama, Davor Suker, Emile Butragueno, Gianluca Vialli, Fernando Torres and Enrico Chiesa.
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As per usual, truckloads of 90s/00s European names. Olsen was my ace up the sleeve throughout.

Last round I was very close to let my reminiscing and disappointment for Enzo get the better of me and pick the only eligible great partner he ever had in the NT:

Rubén Sosa. The problem was I absolutely needed Cavani to survive or I was fecked then.


Two well taken goals, and an absolute :eek: peach from Maradona halfway through that :drool:
 
I am so thrilled of getting both Crespo and Paul Ince. Two magnificent players.
I was really close to pick the following who been picked: Dino Baggio, Cambiasso, Mascherano, Ibrahimovic.

I chose Crespo over Ibra because I think he's a better fit with Laudrup and more fitting to my side's style of play. And Ince because, well I just think he was better than Baggio and the rest of the bunch, and more fitting with Modric's style of play.
 
AldoPaine18 said:
Do all of you see Kroos as more of a CM than AM, then? I've usually been more impressed with his performances as an AM.
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I've been more impressed with him as AM but seeing as I was looking at Cocu sitting and wanted someone more progressive he would fit the bill ahead of other options available at the time, largely defensive ones remained at the same quality standard.
 
Balu said:
Would you call him an AM in the game last night? He played deeper than Thiago.

The idea right now is:

if I play 433ish:

Müller Klinsmann Basler
Effenberg Kroos
Sammer
Ziege Kohler Buchwald Reuter
Kahn

I'd say that's a pretty good fit for him.
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Yeah, that's absolutely fine. What I meant above is I wouldn't have him as the more defensive half of a pair and even with a defensive partner Bastian is more solid all-round.
 
My team before losing three times in banned list draft:

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Ince deep and right to help cover for Righetti-Sanchez weak side, Baines-Nedved and Laudrup-Crespo :drool: .. And the Terry-Carvalho combo is brilliant.

Thoughts?
 
AldoPaine18 said:
By defensive duties I meant winning the ball in front of his defensive, he'd always contribute in pressing and all as an AM or CM, but playing him as one of the "pivots" might restrict his forward play. He's got a great strike in him as well, which should be used fully.

Plus Effenberg has a brilliant passing range anyway so if you have him and Frings as the two CMs you already have the ability to dictate play from there.
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I hate 532 for a reason, it's such a boring formation :D. It all depends on my opponent, if I face a team with only one striker, it makes no sense to keep Sammer as the sweeper, he would move into midfield all the time anyway. Then, imo, Kroos is the better option in CM next to Effenberg. If I face a 442 with 2 strikers, the 532 with Frings and Effenberg makes a lot of sense, but then I actually prefer a quicker AM type instead of Kroos, pace, dribbling, running forward for quick counterattacks, that's what I need then.
 
VivaJanuzaj said:
I am so thrilled of getting both Crespo and Paul Ince. Two magnificent players.
I was really close to pick the following who been picked: Dino Baggio, Cambiasso, Mascherano, Ibrahimovic.

I chose Crespo over Ibra because I think he's a better fit with Laudrup and more fitting to my side's style of play. And Ince because, well I just think he was better than Baggio and the rest of the bunch, and more fitting with Modric's style of play.
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Same reason I (and likely many others) kept him in the backburner. He was my second choice if Cavani was blocked, otherwise Anelka.
 
Hernandez - BFA said:
Chilavert, Riquelme and Kluivert I was astonished no one picked them up.

Also, VALDERRAMA!
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We considered Valderrama alright but the way the rounds went and changes to our planned formation meant we didn't really have room.
 
Hernandez - BFA said:
Chilavert, Riquelme and Kluivert I was astonished no one picked them up.

Also, VALDERRAMA!
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I would have fancied Chilavert except the opportunity never came back. The fact most went for keepers in the cup finals thingie really fecked him over as there was very little to go for on the Sao Pualo side and if Chilavert was blocked you were completely fecked.

Riquelme always winds up a liability. I had him as an unwanted Plan B if I couldn't get Bergkamp. Would effectively replace Guardiola's passing but further up the pitch and doing nothing defensively.

Kluivert was one of my top 3-4 strikers going into the last round. Could only pair him with Ginola at Newcastle, which looked like the road to Andy Carroll (Cole actually). If both Ginola and Cavani got blocked my backup was Kluivert-Neymar.
 
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VivaJanuzaj said:
My team before losing three times in banned list draft:

Ince deep and right to help cover for Righetti-Sanchez weak side, Baines-Nedved and Laudrup-Crespo :drool: .. And the Terry-Carvalho combo is brilliant.

Thoughts?
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You've done pretty well, looked all over the shop at one point. I guess you will get Maicon now? ;)
 
VivaJanuzaj said:
You preferred Cavani over Crespo? Why?
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Ibrahimovic I meant. In any case, yes, for my side I prefer Cavani over Crespo. Marginally. Francescoli-Crespo would have been awesome, they absolutely supercharged each other, but the specifics of the question ruled it out :(
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
I would have beaten both of you as Schweinsteiger was a main option in R5 or 6. Then Brwned talked me out of it :D
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Instead of Alonso? Ballack - Schweinsteiger would have been a stronger pairing and also a proven partnership (they played really well together for Germany ahead of the 2010 worldcup). I think I was quite harsh on Schweinsteiger once in one of the fantasy draft games, I underrated him for a long time myself, but he was outstanding last season.
 
antohan said:
You've done pretty well, looked all over the shop at one point. I guess you will get Maicon now? ;)
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I might! I'm having some options in my head, not sure at all I'll replace Righetti.. I think he's not a weakness if Ince can help him defensively.

antohan said:
Ibrahimovic I meant. In any case, yes, for my side I prefer Cavani over Crespo. Marginally. Francescoli-Crespo would have been awesome, they absolutely supercharged each other, but the specifics of the question ruled it out :(
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I see.. I think Crespo is a much better fit to my team than Ibra don't you?
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
I would have beaten both of you as Schweinsteiger was a main option in R5 or 6. Then Brwned talked me out of it :D
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Probably because it was clear I was going for him on the back of him being a Robben teammate, which instead meant Bergomi via Brehme was not an option? Good thinking. I was really worried you would go for Schweini via Ballack the NT teammate while getting Bergomi via Baggio, that's why I used Balu as a sounding board :angel:
 
antohan said:
Probably because it was clear I was going for him on the back of him being a Robben teammate, which instead meant Bergomi via Brehme was not an option? Good thinking. I was really worried you would go for Schweini via Ballack the NT teammate while getting Bergomi via Baggio, that's why I used Balu as a sounding board :angel:
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He already had Alonso at that time, not sure how Alonso, Schweini and Ballack would have worked together unless you play 2002 Ballack.
 
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