The first Cricket sheep thread

  1. Boycott
  2. Gooch
  3. Chappell
  4. Richardson
  5. ?
  6. Benaud
  7. Mashud (wk)
  8. Srinath
  9. Sharma
  10. Alderman
  11. ?
12th man: Pocock
 
The team welcomes these two giants of the game, one flawless opening batsman that mesmerized crowds day in day out, and one genuine match winner, and one of the most explosive all rounders.





01. Barry Richards
02.
03. George Headley*
04. Stan McCabe
05.
06. Mike Procter [3]
07. Don Tallon†
08. Sir Alec Bedser [1]
09. Abdul Qadir [4]
10. Andy Roberts [2]
11. Devon Malcolm [5]

12. Basit Ali
 
harshad said:
1. Bob Simpson
2. Wilfred Rhodes
3. Denis Compton
4. Graeme Pollock
5. Mohd. Azharuddin
6.
7. Brendon McCullum
8. Chaminda Vaas
9. Malcolm Marshall
10.John Snow
11.

Sub - Nicky Boje
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You've got a deep batting order :eek:

Quality team.

Azharuddin was on my list and Damien Martyn is gone :(
 
Completed Teams after Criteria 10
Completed Teams after Criteria 10

Mani 1. Holding 2. Ian Smith 3. Adam Bacher 4. J. Garner 5. Michael Clarke 6. Kanhai 7. K. Wessels 8. Gupte 9. Kallicharan 10. Hanif Mohammad
Akshay 1. Ambrose 2. Harshan Tillakratne 3. Inzamam 4. Chanderpaul 5. Herbert Sutcliffe 6. Graeme Smith 7. Younis Khan 8. Phil Tufnell 9.Darren Gough 10. Darren Powell
Ijazz17 1. McGrath 2. Rod Marsh 3. Trescothick 4. F. Trueman 5. Wally Hammond 6. Sir Frank Worrell 7. SPD Smith 8. Jeff Thomson 9.Misbah ul Haq 10. Shakib Al Hasan
Samid 1. Waqar Younis 2. Moin Khan 3. Michael Hussey 4. P. Collins 5. Kane Williamson 6.M. Vaughan 7. Ravi Shastri 8. Gillespie 9. Chris Gayle 10.Mohammad Amir
PaulScholes18 1. Botham 2. Prior 3. Mohammed Yousuf 4. Sehwag 5. Kevin Pietersen 6. Shervin Campbell 7. Ravi Ashwin 8. Philander 9. Gambhir 10. Ryan Harris
RedTiger 1. Hirwani 2. Mushfiqur Rahim 3. Klusener 4. Kallis 5. Miandad 6. Mark Taylor 7. M. Slater 8. Bishan Singh Bedi 9. Ganguly 10. Merv Hughes
Skills 1. Steyn 2. Carlton Baugh 3. Justin Langer 4. Border 5. Greg Chappell 6. Swann 7. Chris Cairns 8. Mohd. Asif 9.Bill Lawry 10. Damien Martyn
Crappy 1. Mendis 2. Alan Knott 3. Nick Knight 4. S. Sreesanth 5. Alviro Petersen 6. M. Waugh 7. Chatfield 8. Ian Bishop 9. Arthur Morris 10.Zaheer Abbas
NM 1. Donald 2. Les Ames 3. Roger Twose 4. Lance Gibbs 5. Martin Crowe 6. Clive Lloyd 7. C. Hooper 8. Sir Wes Hall 9. Sir Conrad Hunte 10. John Edrich
VanGaalEra 1. Shillingford 2. Junior Murray 3. Ajay Jadeja 4. Vettori 5. Amla 6. J. Root 7. S. Akhtar 8. Bob Willis 9. Herschelle Gibbs 10. Rahane
Boycott 1. Chetan Sharma 2. Khaled Mashud 3. Blair Pocock 4.Boycott 5. Gooch 6. R. Benaud 7. J. Srinath 8. Alderman 9. Richie Richardson 10. Ian Chappell
Kazi 1. Bond 2. Dhoni 3. Craig Spearman 4. Greenidge 5. Haynes 6. Tony Greig 7. Mahela Jayawardene 8. Mohammad Rafique 9. Herath 10. McDermott
Aldo 1. Andy Roberts 2. Don Tallon 3. Basit Ali 4. D. Malcolm 5. George Headley 6. Stan McCabe 7. Abdul Qadir 8. Bedser 9. Barry Richards 10. Mike Procter
Harshad 1. Marshall 2. McCullum 3. Vaas 4. D. Compton 5. Graeme Pollock 6. Bobby Simpson 7. Azharuddin 8. Nicky Boje 9.John Snow 10. Wilfred Rhodes
Prath 1. Harbhajan 2. Andy Flower 3. Stephen Fleming 4.Stuart Broad 5. Kohli 6. Jayasuriya 7. John Wright 8. Prassanna 9. Sarfaraz Nawaz 10. Heath Streak
Skizzo 1. Mushtaq Ahmed 2. Jeff Dujon 3. Laxman 4. D. Boon 5. Colin Cowdrey 6. Neil Harvey 7. David Warner 8. George Lohmann 9. Lindsay Hassett 10. Clarrie Grimmett


Blocked player list: Hadlee, Imran Khan, Warne, Pollock, Ntini, Murali, Akram, Saqlain, AB DeVilliers, Sangakarra, Alec Stewart, Clyde Walcott, Adam Gilchrist, Boucher, Healy, Ponting, Hayden, Lara, Dravid, Kirsten, Kumble, Flintoff, Thorpe, Sobers, Lillee, Kapil Dev, S. Waugh, Viv Richards, Gavaskar, Tendulkar, Jack Hobbs, Ken Barrington, Keith Miller, James Anderson, Alastair Cook, Sir Len Hutton, David Gower, Mitch Johnson, Walsh, Brett Lee, Jim Laker, Colin Croft, Underwood, Alan Davidson, Sydney Barnes, Lindwall, Stuart MacGill, Chandrashekhar, Zaheer Khan, Everton Weekes, Saeed Anwar, Bill O'Reilly

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Well, given choosing new criteria, especially where lots of choices will be available at this stage of game, with all the blocks, is tough. Essentially even without sheeps we have 200+ players from history selected which is good number for cricket. So here is my suggestion for next criteria for you.

11) Choose a player with 20 50+ scores (so 13 fifties and 7 centuries guy qualifies) OR choose a bowler with 50+ wickets and avg less than 30. The 'OR' is another chance to balance your team.
Round 12 you all have idea what it is likely going to be ;)

OR....

We can have some fun. Double round of block picks. So essentially 32 picks from 52-53 blocks. Risky but can be fun. Mind the sheeps WILL NOT be from blocked list here.

Let me know preference. This is not a vote, just want to know the risk appetite for 2nd option.
 
@Ijazz17 Thanks. If you could please update sheeps as well. Boje, Tufnell, Rafique were the sheeps. Just check who was allotted which. This round Akshay has got Darren Powell.
 
The Man Himself said:
@Ijazz17 Thanks. If you could please update sheeps as well. Boje, Tufnell, Rafique were the sheeps. Just check who was allotted which. This round Akshay has got Darren Powell.
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Done. I just need to know if I missed someone else from the blocked list. Will check once.
 
RedTiger said:
1. M. Taylor
2. M. Slater
3. J. Kallis
4. J. Miandad
5. S. Ganguly
6. ------------
7. L. Klusener
8. M. Rahim
9. M. Hughes
10. B. Bedi
11. N. Hirwani
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That is a cracking squad.... Who will your captain be ?
 
The Man Himself said:
Well, given choosing new criteria, especially where lots of choices will be available at this stage of game, with all the blocks, is tough. Essentially even without sheeps we have 200+ players from history selected which is good number for cricket. So here is my suggestion for next criteria for you.

11) Choose a player with 20 50+ scores (so 13 fifties and 7 centuries guy qualifies) OR choose a bowler with 50+ wickets and avg less than 30. The 'OR' is another chance to balance your team.
Round 12 you all have idea what it is likely going to be ;)

OR....

We can have some fun. Double round of block picks. So essentially 32 picks from 52-53 blocks. Risky but can be fun. Mind the sheeps WILL NOT be from blocked list here.

Let me know preference. This is not a vote, just want to know the risk appetite for 2nd option.
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Double rounds. Time to play Russian roulette.
 
Aldo said:
The team welcomes these two giants of the game, one flawless opening batsman that mesmerized crowds day in day out, and one genuine match winner, and one of the most explosive all rounders.





01. Barry Richards
02.
03. George Headley*
04. Stan McCabe
05.
06. Mike Procter [3]
07. Don Tallon†
08. Sir Alec Bedser [1]
09. Abdul Qadir [4]
10. Andy Roberts [2]
11. Devon Malcolm [5]

12. Basit Ali
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I haven't seen a single player of yours play.
 
OK, on second thought, the double round for blocks is not that great idea though it can be fun. Let's go with other option:

Criteria 11:
Choose a player from history with 20 or more 50+ scores (so a guy with 13 fifties and 7 centuries qualifies) in test cricket. Don excluded.
OR
Choose a player with 50+ test wickets AND bowling average less than 30.

So, you choose only 1 player in this criteria. It should satisfy at least one of the above two conditions.

Go!!
 
The Man Himself said:
OK, on second thought, the double round for blocks is not that great idea though it can be fun. Let's go with other option:

Criteria 11:
Choose a player from history with 20 or more 50+ scores (so a guy with 13 fifties and 7 centuries qualifies) in test cricket. Don excluded.
OR
Choose a player with 50+ test wickets AND bowling average less than 30.

So, you choose only 1 player in this criteria. It should satisfy at least one of the above two conditions.

Go!!
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Yup. Option 2 will create huge disparity in team strengths.
 
Say I choose a player who satisfies the batting criteria but he gets blocked then for round 2 will I be stuck with choosing a player satisfying the batting criteria or can I switch to a player satisfying the bowling criteria.
 
harshad said:
Say I choose a player who satisfies the batting criteria but he gets blocked then for round 2 will I be stuck with choosing a player satisfying the batting criteria or can I switch to a player satisfying the bowling criteria.
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Ummm, you can switch.
 
1. David Warner
2. David Boon
3. Neil Harvey
4. Colin Cowdrey
5. VSS Laxman
6. Lindsay Hassett
7. Jeff Dujon
8.
9. George Lohmann
10. Mushtaq Ahmed
11. Clarrie Grimmett

Trying to mix up some big bats with some stylish ones.
 
1. Sanath Jayasuriya
2. John Wright
3. Virat Kohli
4. Andy flower
5. Stephen Fleming
6.
7. Heath streak
8. Stuart Broad
9. Harbhajan Singh
10. Sarfraz Nawaz
11. E Prasanna
 
NM said:
@Aldo technically Richards and Procter had short test careers. Just saying
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Yeah, the SA situation at the time was harsh on such all time great talents and that includes Graeme Pollock as well. All of them got way less opportunity than they should have to showcase their talents. However that has never been able to undermine the ability these players possessed, and that was well showcased later during the WSC where Richards in particular was on fire against the Aussie and WI teams of the 70s, and the few tests he got to play, he destroyed the Aussies in them as well. Moreover, their first class records speak for themselves. That's the only reason I had to cite these picks as controversial, and that is only in this draft because I've never seen a person whose been involved in this sport ever have an iota of a doubt that the likes of Richards, Pollock, Procter and a couple of others from that team belong in the same discussion as other all time greats of the game. e.g. Richards played county cricket with the likes of Viv, Andy and Greenidge, all giants of the game themselves, and he excelled. Anyway, it is a tricky one to judge for the purposes of this draft based on it's technicalities, coz in terms of talent there shouldn't be any doubt whatsoever on what he brings to the table. A bit like picking Duncan Edwards in football drafts, you have to talk a lot in terms of ability and not body of work which both lack due to very different reasons.

Here's a nice piece by someone who followed him at the peak of his powers:
http://www.cricketweb.net/just-how-good-was-barry-richards/

Richards is the greatest of my time, if not by a distance then certainly without a doubt, but few seem to agree. “Am I out of step, or is everyone else?” is the sort of question we are supposed to ask ourselves as part of a catharsis when we have made mistakes, and I have been there with Barry Richards, but nothing ever changes my mind about him, and while I am not about to suggest he was a greater batsman than Sir Donald Bradman, nor necessarily even his equal, I cannot get the thought out of my head that, had he not been a victim of the circumstances that did blight his career, Richards might have earned the right to be mentioned in the same breath as “The Don”.

Clearly that is an opinion I need to justify but I am not alone in holding it. As his career came to a close Tony Greig considered Richards to be the finest batsman in the world and expressed the view that in different circumstances I am convinced he could have rewritten the record books – and rewritten them with a style and grace matched by precious few players in the history of the game. And if that gives a clue to the way Richards batted John Arlott’s words he butchers bowling, hitting with a savage power the more impressive for being veiled by the certainty of his timing, are as good a summary as I have read.
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Skizzo said:
1. David Warner
2. David Boon
3. Neil Harvey
4. Colin Cowdrey
5. VSS Laxman
6. Lindsay Hassett
7. Jeff Dujon
8.
9. George Lohmann
10. Mushtaq Ahmed
11. Clarrie Grimmett

Trying to mix up some big bats with some stylish ones.
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That batting order will be great to watch. Harvey and VVS going into a partnership would be one for the highlights reel.

Interesting choice of keeper with that bowling line up. Lohmann and Grimmett were both big turners of the ball, Grimmett in particular bowled with a certain someone behind the stumps who was renowned for reading spin bowling, whereas Dujon played in the era where the Windies played with that four pronged pace battery and without a spinner who could turn it like the ones you've picked. Love the man though and for a paceman he's brilliant to have behind the stumps.

Edit: Just saw you have Mushy as well.
 
Clarrie Grimmett




Imagine if Grimmett and O'Reilly had played 145 Tests, the same number as Warne. At the rate they took their wickets, Grimmett would have snared a shade under 870 and O'Reilly 770. In reality Grimmett played just 37 Tests and O'Reilly 27, but what an impact they had on cricket. It is virtually impossible to compare spinners from different eras, although most would agree the best three legspinners in Test cricket were Grimmett, O'Reilly, and Warne.

The Tiger and the Fox were unique in their contrasting styles, but they had one thing in common: they were spin-bowling predators. Their prey was any batsman who ventured to the crease when they were on the hunt.
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Aldo said:
That batting order will be great to watch. Harvey and VVS going into a partnership would be one for the highlights reel.

Interesting choice of keeper with that bowling line up. Lohmann and Grimmett were both big turners of the ball, Grimmett in particular bowled with a certain someone behind the stumps who was renowned for reading spin bowling, whereas Dujon played in the era where the Windies played with that four pronged pace battery and without a spinner who could turn it like the ones you've picked. Love the man though and for a paceman he's brilliant to have behind the stumps.

Edit: Just saw you have Mushy as well.
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Yeah I got Dujon before properly planning how I was going to approach the bowling. Still have a bit of flexibility (knock on wood) if needing to mix it up somehow, but currently eyeing a split with spinners and pace. Going forward (if getting through) it will be something I consider more closely. Thanks for the feedback though :)
 
@Aldo I know all about them and how good they are. Just saying that if we are judging by test careers, it will be interesting
 
NM said:
@Aldo I know all about them and how good they are. Just saying that if we are judging by test careers, it will be interesting
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Yep, that was part of the reason of throwing them into the mix. I need an all time great opener which shows why I was chasing the likes of Hobbs and Hutton the previous rounds, so there was no way I was letting Barry slip through only because of technicalities.
 
1. M. Trescothick
2. TBD
3. Wally Hammond
4. Sir Frank Worrel
5. Steve Smith
6. Shakib Al Hasan
7. Misbah Ul Haq
8. Rodney Marsh†
9. Jeff Thomson
10. Fred Trueman
11. Glen McGrath
 
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