The early years of subcontinent teams often go under the radar due to lack of success against the existing outfits.
There are a few gems both from India and Pakistan that would fit perfectly well in this draft waiting to be picked.
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There are a few gems both from India and Pakistan that would fit perfectly well in this draft waiting to be picked.
pick sent.
9 picks in, 7 remain.
Yeah, foreign players being preferred.
True. I thought of a few players but gave up on them as it was upsetting the balance of the team. But from a comparable era the teams of Aus, England, WI and SA had some absolute gems so the focus has been on getting them. Still few remain to be taken.
How would I of been judged if I'd picked a player who never played a test in the last round? There's a very good player who o should of gone with but chickened out because of his lack of tests
How would I of been judged if I'd picked a player who never played a test in the last round? There's a very good player who o should of gone with but chickened out because of his lack of tests
Depends on voters but I'm personally certainly going to take into account performance is actual test matches as its a test only draft.
That's fine with me.
One has a batting average of 72 and the other has a bowling average of 15.
On a serious note, while this is a test-only draft, since this is the first all time cricket draft played on here, it would be wise to at least consider the FC records, especially in cases where the test records aren't quite easy to read, or judge. I'm not just talking about the Saffers like Richards and Pollock but also the likes of S. F. Barnes and George Lohmann - two other usually undeniable legends of the game - come under this. Or Wilfred Rhodes for that matter, whose FC record and stature far supersedes his test legacy and is the main reason why he's such a great of the game. For a long period of the sport FC cricket was considered pretty import in terms of analyzing performances, and plenty of Wisden CotY awards have been awarded based on FC exploits. Shouldn't be needed in 99% of the cases but in tricky scenarios they're a handy guideline to have.
That's fine with me.
One has a batting average of 72 and the other has a bowling average of 15.
On a serious note, while this is a test-only draft, since this is the first all time cricket draft played on here, it would be wise to at least consider the FC records, especially in cases where the test records aren't quite easy to read, or judge. I'm not just talking about the Saffers like Richards and Pollock but also the likes of S. F. Barnes and George Lohmann - two other usually undeniable legends of the game - come under this. Or Wilfred Rhodes for that matter, whose FC record and stature far supersedes his test legacy and is the main reason why he's such a great of the game. For a long period of the sport FC cricket was considered pretty import in terms of analyzing performances, and plenty of Wisden CotY awards have been awarded based on FC exploits. Shouldn't be needed in 99% of the cases but in tricky scenarios they're a handy guideline to have.
Considering the fact that the last two pucks has to be test players, I might as well tell you who I was thinking about. Clive Rice. He's widely considered one of the greatest all-rounders yet because of the boycott of apartheid S.Africa, he never played a test match.
He's got incredible stats in the county game at a time when the English county Championship was of a high calibre.
That's fine with me.
One has a batting average of 72 and the other has a bowling average of 15.
On a serious note, while this is a test-only draft, since this is the first all time cricket draft played on here, it would be wise to at least consider the FC records, especially in cases where the test records aren't quite easy to read, or judge. I'm not just talking about the Saffers like Richards and Pollock but also the likes of S. F. Barnes and George Lohmann - two other usually undeniable legends of the game - come under this. Or Wilfred Rhodes for that matter, whose FC record and stature far supersedes his test legacy and is the main reason why he's such a great of the game. For a long period of the sport FC cricket was considered pretty import in terms of analyzing performances, and plenty of Wisden CotY awards have been awarded based on FC exploits. Shouldn't be needed in 99% of the cases but in tricky scenarios they're a handy guideline to have.
I see where you're coming from mate, there are quite a few undeniable greats who barely played 10 tests. Imo, considering first class records as an additional measure is fine but only in cases where they are being used to supplement tests stats where they player has played say 15 tests which is enough to take them seriously as 'test' players. Players who haven't played a single test or just played couple of them are tricky in a test draft. Depends on individuals though, others might not see it the way I do.
Had a feeling you were talking about Rice
That's fine with me.
One has a batting average of 72 and the other has a bowling average of 15.
On a serious note, while this is a test-only draft, since this is the first all time cricket draft played on here, it would be wise to at least consider the FC records, especially in cases where the test records aren't quite easy to read, or judge. I'm not just talking about the Saffers like Richards and Pollock but also the likes of S. F. Barnes and George Lohmann - two other usually undeniable legends of the game - come under this. Or Wilfred Rhodes for that matter, whose FC record and stature far supersedes his test legacy and is the main reason why he's such a great of the game. For a long period of the sport FC cricket was considered pretty import in terms of analyzing performances, and plenty of Wisden CotY awards have been awarded based on FC exploits. Shouldn't be needed in 99% of the cases but in tricky scenarios they're a handy guideline to have.
I'll hold you to that
If you are looking for universality in evaluating this draft then it is impossible to achieve, as simple as that. Just above Skizzo quoted a source saying had O'Reilly and Grimmett played as many tests as Warne they would have taken 700-800 wickets, but that is not how it works. Yet, any cricket historian worth his salt would tell you there's literally nothing between Warne and O'Reilly when it comes to their cricketing legacy, but Warne did take all those wickets playing during all those years and keeping up that standard, so there IS something between them. Graeme Pollock, again regarded as one of the finest batsmen to grace the game, played 23 games and averaged 60. Sachin Tendulkar played 200 games and averaged over 50. Can we find players who for a similar span - say 23 games - averaged that much and dominated opponents similarly? Possibly, quite a few. Most of them had to continue playing and as a result their stats came down, naturally. No one can absolutely comment on what would have happened had the likes of Richards, Pollock, etc not been restricted from Test Cricket, hence the Big Dunc analogy.I see where you're coming from mate, there are quite a few undeniable greats who barely played 10 tests. Imo, considering first class records as an additional measure is fine but only in cases where they are being used to supplement tests stats where they player has played say 15 tests which is enough to take them seriously as 'test' players. Players who haven't played a single test or just played couple of them are tricky in a test draft. Depends on individuals though, others might not see it the way I do.
Had a feeling you were talking about Rice
For me really comes down to the individual player and the circumstances due to which he wasn't allowed to play as long as others. In football drafts we usually take the 3 year peaks to evaluate, but that's not the case here and the different formats make it more complicated, so I personally apart from obviously the test stats, would be taking a lot of other stuff, like their influence on the game during and after their career, what their peers had to say about them, etc. Like I quoted above, Tony Greig, one of the more educated personalities in this sport describing Richards as the finest batsman in the world, at a time where there were a few others, including Viv Richards. Or Richie Benaud who described S F Barnes as the greatest bowler to ever play the game, and he knew everyone from Lohmann to Glenn McGrath, based on nothing but literature. These are not fan based opinions, but coming from some of the most sincere students of the sport, like Benaud. So you have to give some weightage to that.
Oh yes, I completely agree with that. It's pointless to use stats in itself when comparing across generations anyways so the words of the peers count for a lot. Especially people like benaud who has seen it all. That's something I will take into account for sure.
Edit: The influence they had on the sport counts too.
Michael Holding
Running almost as fast as he could, he jumped and let the ball go, often at 90mph or more. The arm releasing the ball came down like a guillotine. Some fast bowlers were ugly to watch. Holding was beautiful
Greig saw the ball coming. He knew what he had to do to stop it from hitting the stumps. But the ball was too fast.
"He didn't know it, but there was nobody more lethal than Michael Holding. Michael Holding was the Usain Bolt of his day. He was THE BOLT. He was mighty"
Running almost as fast as he could, he jumped and let the ball go, often at 90mph or more. The arm releasing the ball came down like a guillotine. Some fast bowlers were ugly to watch. Holding was beautiful
Greig saw the ball coming. He knew what he had to do to stop it from hitting the stumps. But the ball was too fast.
"He didn't know it, but there was nobody more lethal than Michael Holding. Michael Holding was the Usain Bolt of his day. He was THE BOLT. He was mighty"
Did you mean to post that in our convo?
Bob Woolmer
You don't earn the nickname 'Whispering Death' for no reason.
You don't earn the nickname 'Whispering Death' for no reason.
There's other comment from Dickie Bird that he barely heard any sound when Holding approached bowling crease.
So how many left?
We had sent in our block.
We had sent in our block.
OkayNo
Where is everyone? It's awfully quiet for this time of day..
How many left? @KM @The Man Himself
5 I think.
Poor form.
The wait is killing. Thank feck for beer
sending my pick now
I think my AM has given up on me . I keep picking sheep. On a hat trick!
. I keep picking sheep. On a hat trick!Aye.
Only if you were as lucky as ManiI think my AM has given up on me
He was a wise man who invented beer
I've never heard of Darren Powell. What a shit sheep
I know a Ricardo Powell. Nut he was a one day specialist
Stop talking about beer
. I've got 3 in the fridge but down with a fever.Two pitchers of White ZenStop talking about beer
Two pitchers of White Zen
I Fecking envy you
God, I hate beer. How do you guys even manage to drink it! Prefer Scotch...