XB360 version not only doesn't have all of the 1080p FMV bells and whistles, the uncompressed audio, it also seems that the gameplay runs at 1024x576.
Gaming The Final Fantasy Thread
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XB360 version not only doesn't have all of the 1080p FMV bells and whistles, the uncompressed audio, it also seems that the gameplay runs at 1024x576.
I can't believe it's so near. I've not even had a chance to build up any giddy excited anticipation!
Interesting. Actually, is the 360 version all on a single disc? Anyone know?
It's on 3 discs.
Even with 3 discs, the XB360 reserves a significant portion of it for god knows what. Only 6.8G is usable for game data, not the full 9GB, so 3 discs will give you 20.4GB. The PS3 version seems to have 32.6GB for the FMVs alone.
1UP are doing a 5 day feature on FFXIII, and started today with a nice preview of the game.
Final Fantasy 13 Cover Story
Final Fantasy 13 Cover Story
I only played one and it was number 7 for the ps1
I still can't understand why Square Enix decided to publish PS3 shots with XB360 button photoshoped over the top. What were they thinking!
360 version's superior perhaps?
Here we go 
Yes, it's so superior that they won't release any media for it, and thus take PS3 screens and photoshop XB360 button symbols over the top.
But, wait, some XB360 screens have been leaked, and it runs at 1024x576 - yet the HUD/UI is at 1280x720. Blaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!
Maybe the 360 version runs at 60 frames per second to compensate.
Here we go
I've already given two theories as to why the XB360 version is probably even more borked than was originally thought. It's HDR, AA, and Alpha - it can't fit into the rendering memory of the XB360 GPU without tiling, and they probably didn't have the time to fix it - if it is possible to fix.
Watched a trailer for this and although it looked good it seems to have a story pinched from Dawson's Creek.
HDR is high dynamic range lighting, it takes more space to store the value for each pixel. AA is anti aliasing - smoothing of polygon edges, you need space to do multiple sampling of polygon edge pixels. Alpha is where you do transparencies, many PS3 games use quarter sized buffers for this because of the amount of bandwidth required to do the overdraw for transparency (XB360 has no bandwidth problems here) - FFXIII uses full sized alpha buffers in many cases, but uses another technique for others such as the hair. Basically, all of this takes up memory, and it doesn't fit into the 10MB of render target on the XB360 GPU. Halo 3 was 640p if I recall because it used good HDR but no AA.
none of this makes any sence to me. Weaste will the Ps3 version be vastly better than the 360 in every way? Or will it just be more subtle differences that the likes of me will not notice?
It's not 100% confirmed yet, but I doubt that you'll notice unless you put them side by side, and even then, it's possible that you might like the "softer" look of the XB360 version. There were magazines that said that the PS3 version of GTAIV looked better - technically it was worse.
There are obviously going to be significant differences in terms of content. The XB360 version seems to be as such:
* Disc 1: 5.9GB
* Disc 2: 5.8GB
* Disc 3: 6.6GB
18GB vs 38GB, something has to give somewhere.
Ve3tro.com: Final Fantasy 13 (XIII), Whopping 18.3GB Install for Xbox 360
* Disc 1: 5.9GB
* Disc 2: 5.8GB
* Disc 3: 6.6GB
18GB vs 38GB, something has to give somewhere.
Ve3tro.com: Final Fantasy 13 (XIII), Whopping 18.3GB Install for Xbox 360
These are basically the differences.
PS3: 720p gameplay, 1080p cutscenes, lossless audio, no install, no loading times, 1 disc @ 38 GB
360: 576p gameplay, 720p cutscenes, lossy audio, installable, 3 discs @ 18 GB
If you have a 360 only, I think it will be great. If you have both a PS3 and XB360, get the PS3 version.
1UP have a competition to win this poster signed by the development team. Follow the previous link I posted.
FFXIII uses much less space on 360 | DigitalFoundry
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Category | 360 | PS3
Discs | 3 (DVD)* | 1 (BD)
Resolution | 576p** | 720p
Audio | Compressed Only | Both Compressed and Lossless
FMV*** | 720p (BINK) | 1080p (AVC)
*Xbox 360 optional install, like other 360 games (about 18GB for this game).
**Scaled to 720p
***FMV's are 1080p for PS3, and pre-rendered cut-scenes are both 720pAll the analytical debate regarding the technical specifications might well mean nothing if the game fails to deliver.
If this latest installment quietly slots in behind 7,9,8,4,10,6,3 i will for one be gutted.
Being a "crazed" "fanatical" final fantasy fan, i find myself a little concerned by the Japanese player reviews...
No towns, no villages, no npcs, no mini games, hardly any side quests.....fast and simple character development. The first 30 hours being completely linear was not really a concern for me, but to hear Yukimasa Itou say the main reason was to help (non final fantasy players) understand the battle system and develop strategies, as well as being heavily influenced by "western first person shooters" imo is a little concerning.
Im so looking forward to playing it, but i have to be honest a lot of the negative feedback is a little soul destroying.
I guess i just want every final to recapture that experience i had while playing 7,9,8..
If this latest installment quietly slots in behind 7,9,8,4,10,6,3 i will for one be gutted.
Being a "crazed" "fanatical" final fantasy fan, i find myself a little concerned by the Japanese player reviews...
No towns, no villages, no npcs, no mini games, hardly any side quests.....fast and simple character development. The first 30 hours being completely linear was not really a concern for me, but to hear Yukimasa Itou say the main reason was to help (non final fantasy players) understand the battle system and develop strategies, as well as being heavily influenced by "western first person shooters" imo is a little concerning.
Im so looking forward to playing it, but i have to be honest a lot of the negative feedback is a little soul destroying.
I guess i just want every final to recapture that experience i had while playing 7,9,8..
Does Versus XIII and FFIV being still PS3 exclusives change which version multiple console owners will go for?
Apparently the XB360 version of XIII is already available for those with a modified XB360 and a torrent client.
I think that White Knight Chronicles is a far better game than this one.
Free roaming , villages , brilliant multiplayer mode - all this you can find in WKCh. Graphically FF edges it but gameplay wise and fun wise WKCh is so much better.
Free roaming , villages , brilliant multiplayer mode - all this you can find in WKCh. Graphically FF edges it but gameplay wise and fun wise WKCh is so much better.
Have you played both Frans?
I want to get White Knight Chronicles, but was waiting till i'd played FF first.
I want to get White Knight Chronicles, but was waiting till i'd played FF first.
In a weeks time I am going to be faced with a massive dilemma. Do I buy FFXIII on release date for the 360 and potentially have a stripped down experience of a game I have waited for for years, or do I stick it out and wait a few more months (even then there's no guarentee I'll be able to afford one) until I can get a PS3?
Weaste, you're in the know, tell me what to do!
Weaste, you're in the know, tell me what to do!
I have played WKCh , and i loved it . I'm thinking about getting it ( i played it on my mate's PS3). Combat system is good , this in FF may be a bit better from what i've seen from gameplay videos , and i have seen a lot of them (i havent played FF myself, its still to be released).
What i like in WKCh is the freedom you have , something what in my opinion any (j)RPG game should have.You can build your own town , you create your own Avatar, Online is fantastic as well , you have a lot of quests which you can play through with your mates ( co-op) , really fantastic experience. As for story , its decent , quests are getting harder and sometimes you may feel like youve done this before , but it still keeps you playing. Very addictive game.
Ive made my mind. WKCh for me. This FF will be much different from previous ones.
Buy it, play it, you can always trade it in for the PS3 version once you actually have a PS3. If you even like the game I suppose. If you don't actually see the PS3 version running besides it, then I doubt you'd even have a clue.
Nice one Weastie. I might start counting down to JRPG orgasm.
I take it you never played Lost Odyssey as it was on the 360? Thats been the only JRPG I've played on this generation of consoles. Had a lot of ingredients that make a great FF title. Beautiful environments/FMVs, great soundtrack, fun turn based battle and it was produced by members of the Square team.
I take it you never played Lost Odyssey as it was on the 360? Thats been the only JRPG I've played on this generation of consoles. Had a lot of ingredients that make a great FF title. Beautiful environments/FMVs, great soundtrack, fun turn based battle and it was produced by members of the Square team.
Lost Odyssey was tremendous, really enjoyed it and the little stories about his past.
Eternal Sonata was good as well, very odd and quirky but a really enjoyable battle system, and of course some Chopin as well.
Star Ocean: The last hope is a good 'un, lots of cutscenes though, some last nearly half an hour!
Infinite Undiscovery was poor, didn't explain much about what was going on early doors and just seemed very hastly chucked together.
Other than those there really has been a dirth, although i hear good things about Tales of Vesparia even if i didn't like the demo, i may look at that.
It was a great game but it was also one of the most depressing. I mean that in the best sense of the word as it really pulled at your emotional heartstrings with 1000 years of dreams stories.
The ones that I can remember off the top of my head are "They live in shells" about the prisoners, "the Upstreamers" and the one where Seth gets left stranded by those Pirates and find Aniera.
It really did focus a lot on the backstory which i loved. You know i may have to buy it again to go through as i've forgotten half the stories now!
I think the only one i remember is about a child on an island and the sky changing colour. God it's been years since i played it!
EDIT: Ah, found it. Bright Rain is it's name, i don't know why that particular one sticks in my mind.
I think the only one i remember is about a child on an island and the sky changing colour. God it's been years since i played it!
EDIT: Ah, found it. Bright Rain is it's name, i don't know why that particular one sticks in my mind.
I've not played Lost Odyssey, no. It's a shame that there are not that many JRPGs this generation, with most of the effort going towards handhelds for some reason.
With FFXIII, if you have a 360 and like this type of thing, then buy it, it's exactly the same game without the bells and whistles. At the end of the day, we play games because they are fun games don't we, not the amount of pixels that they push? Most people are still playing on old standard definition TVs in any case. The only reason the XB360 version is like it is is because of disc space and having tried to port it within the space of a year. For a game of this size, that's some doing.
With FFXIII, if you have a 360 and like this type of thing, then buy it, it's exactly the same game without the bells and whistles. At the end of the day, we play games because they are fun games don't we, not the amount of pixels that they push? Most people are still playing on old standard definition TVs in any case. The only reason the XB360 version is like it is is because of disc space and having tried to port it within the space of a year. For a game of this size, that's some doing.
Do you think this could be because there seems to be more girls and kids using handhelds? JRPG's generally aren't as violent as their Western counterparts eg. Fallout, Mass Effect etc and so they may be more inclined to play fantasy games
Couple of sweeping statements in there but it sounded right to me
Yeah, although games like the Shin Magami Tensei series, and spinoffs, are going handheld and they aren't exactly the most kid friendly games.
Which makes me wonder if and when they'll get round to making Persona 5
Which makes me wonder if and when they'll get round to making Persona 5
It could be a mix of many factors, but I think a lot of Japanese developers look to their home market first. Even previously with FF, almost half of the sales of the titles were in Japan, so there is a possible reason that these type of games do look towards the Japanese audience first. If that is true, then we can look at the sales of the handhelds, with 30 million DSs and 15 million PSPs - so 45 million hardware units. Wii, PS3, and XB360 combined are around 16 million units sold in Japan.
I think one of the reasons why Square Enix has made this upcoming Final Fantasy a little more action oriented is to appeal to the Western audience more, and it seems that versus, once thought of as being the action JRPG will have the more traditional elements in it. It's very interesting, but something we should take on its own merits and play ourselves to see how it turns out.
I think one of the reasons why Square Enix has made this upcoming Final Fantasy a little more action oriented is to appeal to the Western audience more, and it seems that versus, once thought of as being the action JRPG will have the more traditional elements in it. It's very interesting, but something we should take on its own merits and play ourselves to see how it turns out.
5 Days!