Yeah but they'll mostly be about Rosberg parking it at Mirabeau last year.
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Aye, very good.
He has the look of a man who is No 2, knows he is No 2 but also knows this is his best chance of race wins.
Fact is none of the other big teams would want him.
No way did he do that on purpose.
are you sure about that? it had the ex drivers and commentators split, I think it was deliberate.
If he wanted to do it on purpose he would make sure that he would be in the way of the road, you could see as he was locking up he was going straight for the wall but he turned, there's no way he would have been confident enough that this would work.
And it just doesn't strike me as the thing Nico would do, he always seems like one of the best men in F1.
he knew at the time Lewis was on his flying lap for pole and he knew stopping where he did would cause a yellow flag.
Maybe I am being to harsh, but it looked very suspect.
The only thing that makes me question whether he did it intentionally is I don't think he's got the stones to try something like that.
Only Rosberg knows if he did that intentionally or not, I doubt he will ever tell.
He already said he didn't do it deliberately. OTOH, If the converse was true, I highly doubt he'd ever admit to cheating.
I was going to watch this tomorrow evening but having read these last few pages i've decided not to bother.
Hamilton is an arsehole btw.
Hamilton is an arsehole btw.
He's not happy coming second. Last year was evidence of that. He's a man who has given everything but has come up short. Lewis is quicker and will win this championship having completely dominated his team mate
Renault have announced they signed a Letter of Intent to take a controlling stake in Lotus.
I'll be cheering for them to smash Red Bull
When Lewis Hamilton comes second he is normally very sulky (too sulky) but you can still see that it hurt him, Rosberg just doesn't seem to care, it seems like he's know's he beaten. I'm not saying Rosberg should be a bad loser, I'm saying he can't just keep saying "oh we're going to try next time". He needs to be far more assertive and aggressive not only in his driving.
I think the point I'm trying to make is that he has given everything and there just isn't anymore to give. Lewis has upped his game in qualifying and his race craft is far superior to Nico's. Whatever is thrown at him, Lewis has the answer. I think that the bold part in your post is only too true.
Ferrari only offering Red Bull a supply of 2015 engines, shit's getting real for them.
http://adamcooperf1.com/2015/09/28/...saga-critical-as-ferrari-offers-2015-engines/
http://adamcooperf1.com/2015/09/28/...saga-critical-as-ferrari-offers-2015-engines/
They said they'd pull out if they didn't get a competitive engine. They've been mouthing off a lot so it would be embarrassing if they accepted a second rate engine. Poor form from Merc and Ferrari, they don't have to but it is better for the sport. Losing both those teams and drivers would be a blow.
Surely they would have to bring in 3 cars per team? Ricciardo in a merc and Verstappen in a Ferrari
Surely they would have to bring in 3 cars per team? Ricciardo in a merc and Verstappen in a Ferrari
They said they'd pull out if they didn't get a competitive engine. They've been mouthing off a lot so it would be embarrassing if they accepted a second rate engine. Poor form from Merc and Ferrari, they don't have to but it is better for the sport. Losing both those teams and drivers would be a blow.
Surely they would have to bring in 3 cars per team? Ricciardo in a merc and Verstappen in a Ferrari
Well its not just a competitive engine they are demanding, its an absolute parity works Ferrari engine they want! Honestly I can't really blame Ferrari here to be honest they're at least willing to talk to Red Bull about an engine supply. There is no gain here for Ferrari at all. Red Bull have more annual budget to pore into just their chassis than Ferrari have into a chassis and engine and having Red bull out perform the works team is damaging to Ferrari's brand. With Mercedes pulling out early and Bernie applying the pressure Ferrari are painted into a corner here since there is no other option for an engine supply. Really though Ferrari would be mad to give them the exact same engine in the works team.
If they only have 2015 engines for 2016 season, then I suspect we wont see Red Bull next season.
Red Bull getting their rewards for going after Renault in public.
Just seen this on an F1 website.
Although Mercedes are confused by their lack of TV time in Japan, Brackley bosses have quashed suggestions that it is linked to their failure to supply engines to Red Bull.
Lewis Hamilton bounced back from Mercedes' wretched Singapore Grand Prix to claim an emphatic win at Suzuka on Sunday afternoon, taking the chequered flag ahead of his team-mate Nico Rosberg.
The World Champion took the lead through the first two corners and never looked back. He also never put a wheel wrong, not that viewers could tell as the Brit and his Mercedes team were barely shown.
And Niki Lauda wants to know why.
"I was watching TV all day long, and funny enough I saw Saubers and a lot of Honda cars, but I don't know why," the Mercedes non-executive chairman told reporters.
"Somebody must do the filming here. I have to ask what's wrong with him. I want to see Bernie next week and ask him what is the reason.
"At the moment I can't say much but it was funny that even the pitstop of Lewis – the leader – you only saw him driving out. You didn't even see if he changed his wheels. So it was interesting."
Pressed as to whether this was perhaps Bernie Ecclestone's way of voicing his displeasure at Mercedes for not being willing to supply Red Bull with engines, Lauda said: "I don't think you can go in that direction.
"I spoke to Bernie on a couple of occasions about this engine deal and it was very clear [Dietrich] Mateschitz [Red Bull owner] never really approached us.
"Then Ferrari came and offered an engine and it is now being negotiated whatever engine [Red Bull] will get.
"So Bernie is not upset with us about the engine, that's for sure."
The Austrian was not the only Mercedes member confused by the lack of TV time.
"I wasn't sure where we were during the race. I had to look on the timing screens. You couldn't see the cars on track," said motorsport boss Toto Wolff.
But like Lauda he does not believe it was a response to the engine saga.
"No, I don't think this linked," Wolff said.
"Obviously TV pictures are important and there was some good fighting with midfield. But I cannot imagine this is done with some sort of strategy, because that would be clearly misrepresenting everything happening on track."
Although Mercedes are confused by their lack of TV time in Japan, Brackley bosses have quashed suggestions that it is linked to their failure to supply engines to Red Bull.
Lewis Hamilton bounced back from Mercedes' wretched Singapore Grand Prix to claim an emphatic win at Suzuka on Sunday afternoon, taking the chequered flag ahead of his team-mate Nico Rosberg.
The World Champion took the lead through the first two corners and never looked back. He also never put a wheel wrong, not that viewers could tell as the Brit and his Mercedes team were barely shown.
And Niki Lauda wants to know why.
"I was watching TV all day long, and funny enough I saw Saubers and a lot of Honda cars, but I don't know why," the Mercedes non-executive chairman told reporters.
"Somebody must do the filming here. I have to ask what's wrong with him. I want to see Bernie next week and ask him what is the reason.
"At the moment I can't say much but it was funny that even the pitstop of Lewis – the leader – you only saw him driving out. You didn't even see if he changed his wheels. So it was interesting."
Pressed as to whether this was perhaps Bernie Ecclestone's way of voicing his displeasure at Mercedes for not being willing to supply Red Bull with engines, Lauda said: "I don't think you can go in that direction.
"I spoke to Bernie on a couple of occasions about this engine deal and it was very clear [Dietrich] Mateschitz [Red Bull owner] never really approached us.
"Then Ferrari came and offered an engine and it is now being negotiated whatever engine [Red Bull] will get.
"So Bernie is not upset with us about the engine, that's for sure."
The Austrian was not the only Mercedes member confused by the lack of TV time.
"I wasn't sure where we were during the race. I had to look on the timing screens. You couldn't see the cars on track," said motorsport boss Toto Wolff.
But like Lauda he does not believe it was a response to the engine saga.
"No, I don't think this linked," Wolff said.
"Obviously TV pictures are important and there was some good fighting with midfield. But I cannot imagine this is done with some sort of strategy, because that would be clearly misrepresenting everything happening on track."
Could it possibly be that watching cars with no one around them is a total snoozefest, whether they be in first place or last place.
Also the race was in Japan and therefore no surprise we saw a lot of McLaren.
Its not rocket science.
Also the race was in Japan and therefore no surprise we saw a lot of McLaren.
Its not rocket science.
ANALYSIS: SAUBER AND FORCE INDIA REBEL. WHAT IMPACT WILL EU PROBE HAVE ON F1?
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POSTED BY: JAMES ALLEN | 29 SEP 2015 | 3:08 PM GMT | 100 COMMENTS
The news from Brussels is that two current F1 teams, Sauber and Force India, have made an official complaint to the European Union that the sport is managed and governed in an anti-competitive way.
This has been on the cards since the summer and now the two teams have taken a deep breath and decided to go for it.
So what does it mean, how likely is any kind of EU investigation to happen and what might the repercussions be?
What is the teams’ complaint?
Force India and Sauber have complained to the competition commission, which is headed by a lady called Margrethe Vestager. They allege that the way the sport is run, with uneven payments weighted towards the top teams and a governance system which includes the F1 Strategy Group (on which Force India sits currently) that excludes half of the teams, is unlawful and anti-competitive.
They have asked the EU commission to look into it.
The deals were done when CVC the sport’s majority owner, was shaping up to float the business on the Singapore Stock Exchange. The bilateral agreements were designed to tie the biggest names into the sport until 2020.
This is a very strong move for teams that are currently involved in the sport and highlights the level of desperation that they feel. Lotus, which was originally aligned with the pair, has noticeably dropped off the roster as it is in the process of being bought by Renault.
What happens next?
The EU will spend a long time considering whether to take the case on. Nothing will happen in weeks, let alone many months.
They have been alerted to possible issues with the sport before, not least by the European parliament member representing a constituency in the UK where a number of mechanics lost their jobs with the demise of Caterham and Marussia. Anelise Dodds raised the matter with the commission and said, “I’ve raised this issue a number of times in Brussels, to see if there is a competition case to answer here.
“The Commissioner in charge has made it clear to me that she can’t do anything until the teams themselves submit a formal complaint, and so if that’s what the teams feel is right then that is what they should do.”
Now there is a formal complaint. But colleagues in Brussels say that it is far from certain the EU will decide to go ahead and take F1 on. In fact they put it at 70-30 against at this point.
Why would they not take on F1?
Because challenging a global sport is a very big case to take on. And there is a very broad definition to be fulfilled. It’s not about a few teams feeling ‘left out’.
What is at stake here goes way beyond proving that some teams are treated unfairly in terms of prize money or influence over the rule making process. The EU has a sceptical view of rich men who own sports franchises complaining that they aren’t getting a fair deal.
They need to see real evidence of what is known as “Theory of harm”; in other words, that thousands of people in the industry, sponsors, suppliers and the wider eco-system of motorsport are affected by anti-competitive practices. Moreover they would need to be persuaded that the public interest has in some way been harmed, that the fans are losing out due to the anti-competitive practices.
And that is a very difficult thing for the lawyers of Force India and Sauber to prove. Their start point will have to be explaining to the Commission why they signed bi-lateral contract agreements with F1 back in 2012 if they were unhappy with the practices and the governance of the sport.
A complaint has recently been lodged against FIFA, so the timing of this complaint is not a co-incidence.
* Bernie Ecclestone has reacted to the news this afternoon. Telling Autosport that he is not concerned by this action.
“The bottom line is, what they [the teams] are saying is we’re giving too much money to some people and not enough to the others,” he said.
“But all this was done whereby everybody knew what they would be getting and what would happen, and they all signed contracts which were very clear.
“They’ve had a change of heart I suppose, and I don’t blame them, not at all.
“Somebody will have a look at it and either decide the agreements they’ve signed are valid and they stick by them, or they’re not valid and they have to be changed.
“From our point of view it won’t make any difference at all.”
Just noticed this from James Allen. Highly unlikely it'll come to anything, but an interesting move.
Nice to see them lining up the 2016 calendar so a race clashes with Le Mans meaning a Hulkenburg type win can't happen.
Clowns.
Clowns.
Azerbaijan GP follows week after Canadian GP, thats a logistical nightmare.
I think that new calendar is nuts, if they wanted to save the teams some money and cuts costs, why have teams going from Monaco to Canada and then to Azerbaijan, just madness.
Manor to replace Lotus in Mercedes' customer stable from 2016 in deal that will see minnows run 'current-year power units'; Manor also strike technical deal with Williams as they plot move up grid
Button staying another year. Not sure it's the best for him, but I'm happy he'll be around. One of my favorite drivers and personalities.
Butt-sex for one more year.
Butt-sex for one more year.
Even with this years power unit from Mercedes and with a few devices from Williams advanced engineering they could challenge for a fair few 9/10th place finishes next season providing their chassis isn't too bad. Will be nice to see them do that after almost saying bye-bye last year, will be good for all those that are still in a job at the factory trying to put a car together.
big crash for Carlos Sainz in FP3 ,he was airlifted to hospital but conscious, he hit the wall side on and it propelled him straight into the barrier directly ahead.
Sainz crashes into barrier ending fp3. He's conscious and receiving treatment at local medical centre.
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Good to hear that he is conscious..
not seen any of FP , just watched a few highlights on BBC, but OMG that track looks difficult to drive on , very slippy.
GP3 Race 1 cancelled in Sochi due to extensive barrier repairs required following Carlos Sainz crash
WOW just seen the crash and it looked bad, head on in to the barrier.
The car went under the crash barrier, took them 5 mins to get to him, could of been a disaster.
Glad he is OK.
The car went under the crash barrier, took them 5 mins to get to him, could of been a disaster.
Glad he is OK.
Eddie and Bernie, its like an aging comedy duo, well past their prime.
Alonso out in Q1 Button makes Q2.
Massa out and rock bottom in Q2 Button out and Kvyat also out in Q2
'Eddie talking out of his arse as usual' 
Toro Rosso statement says body scan shows @carlosainz has no injuries after his crash in final practice but will stay in hospital overnight