What a dull race, one of the worst of the season.
The F1 Thread 2015 Season
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Missed the start, saw from around the 23rd lap. Boring race.
cant disagree with that , very little action, but what overtaking we saw was pretty good.
Ah well something good , cant hear the god awful post race interviews.
OH well they fixed it , we can hear it now.
Never really used to like Seb, but this season he just seems different, not so serious.
BBC expect to finish this broadcast at 9 am, I'd be amazed if they manage to analyse this for 70 minutes.
They will just do what the BBC does best , waffle shite.
Jenson is not happy.
Ron Dennis basically just told Jenson and Alonso shut up stop moaning and just drive.
Any one know a good source to watch this?
Really horrible watching the team you've supported for over a decade fade into all this bullshit.
Love this picture. Hamilton celebrating on top of the podium whilst Rosberg pretends to look at the time on a watch he's not wearing. I wish I could find a bigger image of it.
I like the BBC article "Hamilton defends overtake of Rosberg". Was there even any issue with it? Fairly standard opening lap overtake, we really going to waterdown this sport more than it already is?
Even I said it was a legitimate move, which says it all really.
Then I went back to bed cos I was bored
I watched it in bed and went back to sleep after 30 laps, surprised to read there was even any issue with it.
I find those kind of moves and the excuses for them cheap. It kills wheel to wheel racing when a driver on the inside can just step on the accelerator and push the guy on the outside off track. How much better would that opening lap have been if both Rosberg and Hamilton weren't allowed to send someone onto the grass and instead race through the Esses side by side?
Yeah I am anything but a Hamilton fan (Massa fan) but there was nothing wrong with that.
Anyway I can't see Rosberg winning this championship, he just seems happy to come 2nd...
A racing move that's been in the handbook since racing began. Nothing cheap about it, don't want it to happen to you then don't try and go around the outside of someone, that's why outside overtakes are rare in the first place.
Well, no, back when pushing people off track had a good chance of injuring or killing someone, drivers were a lot more circumspect about this sort of thing. But even if what you said was true, arguing it's tradition isn't much of a point to me.
The reason it's cheap is because it's a failure of the racing driver to complete the pass within the limits of the track, of which the other driver is a part. So they take the easy "push the other guy off track" option. The driver going around the outside is at a disadvantage because he has a longer line to take and cannot hit the apex for optimum acceleration out of the corner. When you allow the driver on the inside to then accelerate and "under-steer" the driver on the outside off track, then overtaking on the outside becomes not only difficult, but actively discouraged. Resulting in less wheel to wheel combat and more boring races.
Hamilton was in front, albeit marginally, and had every right to take the normal racing line.
If Rosberg can't get the move done that's his problem.
If Rosberg can't get the move done that's his problem.
Not if another car is already on that line. You can't drive someone off track just to avoid compromising your speed on corner exit, you're going to have to slow a little and complete the move properly using your skill as a racing driver, not by forcing an "avoid or crash" scenario for the racer on the outside. If Rosberg had stuck to his line and didn't swerve off track to avoid Hamilton, who would you have blamed for the crash?
Rosberg, for going for a move that was never on, clearly.
Ask yourself this; would Rosberg have tried that move at Monaco where there's a wall instead of a runoff?
I cant believe that Clouldface is really trying to make something out of nothing.
There was nothing wrong with anything that either driver did.
There was nothing wrong with anything that either driver did.
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The move was on considering they were side by side going into turn 2. All Rosberg had to do was compromise Hamilton's exit speed by ensuring he took a shallower line and they'd have been neck and neck heading into turn 3. Which would have happened if Hamilton doesn't come across track and push him onto the grass.
I've seen drivers go around the outside into turn one plenty of times, especially at the start. So maybe, if he felt brave enough.
Both drivers have been guilty of crowding drivers off in the past, and it bugged me then. It annoys me that this is accepted practice throughout the field and not condemned enough, as it is a big hindrance to true wheel to wheel racing. It takes no skill to do this maneuver and it's just a cheap and dirty way to stick a pass that hasn't been completed properly.
Glad I did not get up early for that! (well, I did, but it was for work).
Hard but fair, among the best it's always been that way.
There was, Rosberg should have kept his foot on it and taken Hamilton out.
Rosberg had the life beaten out of him after the Spa incident, when he was flogged not only by the media but by his own team.
Not that I ever thought he was better than Hamilton, but the fact is and always has been that Hamilton is the No 1 at Mercedes.
No doubt a few truths will come out when Rosberg no longer drives for them.
The only truth that will come out is that Rosberg is a good driver up against a great teammate. Rosberg has never shed that image of being "too nice" and in turn when he attempts to butch up and battle on track he ends up botching it up. Spa 2014 was his attempt to go toe-to-toe for once and he fecked that up too, I'm not quite sure how you could spin that to be Hamilton's fault.
Mercedes run a pretty public and open equal driver policy, they alternate Quali stategies, they generally don't allow their drivers to undercut/overcut at pitstops and if they get close they are free to race.
Keep hating #blessed and all that shit.
Mercedes run a pretty public and open equal driver policy, they alternate Quali stategies, they generally don't allow their drivers to undercut/overcut at pitstops and if they get close they are free to race.
Keep hating #blessed and all that shit.
Mercedes are a team of arseholes Hamilton being the biggest of them all , and there is no way in the world they are or have been equal.
Mercedes didn't pay all that money for Hamilton for him to be equal with anyone.
Don't try and twist things people say to suit your own opinions.
Mercedes didn't pay all that money for Hamilton for him to be equal with anyone.
Don't try and twist things people say to suit your own opinions.
If Hamilton is seen as number 1 in that team, it's because he is clearly the better driver.
But I do see what Cloudface is saying. Hamilton didn't do anything wrong there, but that sort of move is a little cheap for me too.
But I do see what Cloudface is saying. Hamilton didn't do anything wrong there, but that sort of move is a little cheap for me too.
Why was the move never on?
Hamilton was barely in front and knew exactly where Rosberg was, he had plenty of room on his right but was aware that if he gave Rosberg space he would end up behind him.
So he basically drove him off the track, its that simple.
Are you suggesting Rosberg would not have made the corner otherwise?
Fact is Rosberg has had his balls cut off by Wolf/ Lauda and Hamilton knows this.
He would never had made the overtake had both cars stayed within the confines of the track.
The bottom line is he was not far enough ahead to take that line, he cut Rosberg up.
and this is the problem , hate for Hamilton / Mercedes or both.
I am a big Lewis fan, but I know he can be an arsehole and I have said s many time in the past and in this thread, but I just dont see what the problem was, 2 drivers going for the lead and what I saw was one bottled it.
If he had done any wrong , the stewards would of been on him straightaway, Sky BBC would of made a huge deal out of, well BBC have tried too.
This is what Sky had to say " Hamilton's muscular, no-prisoners-taken move on Nico Rosberg around the second corner, verging on the rude but just about within the limits of reasonable racing etiquette against a team-mate, was the race's defining act." Does it matter if he was just inside the rules or miles inside the rules, he was within the rules
Ffs if I'm defending Hamilton something is definitely wrong with the argument that he did anything wrong.
must admit I was shocked you are defending him.
I am shocked its even been brought up to be honest.
Rosberg never had any balls to cut off, that's just who he is as a driver and there isn't anything wrong with that, it makes for a nice career, ask Massa. Mercedes paid all that money to get Hamilton exactly for reasons like today, that's the small differences that matter at the top level. You keep stating Hamilton had room on his right, but your failing to point out its a cambered 100 mph corner on cold tyres, you should perhaps look up understeer first, it's practically impossible for Hamilton to go further right unless he lifts off and pulls out of the move and that's never going to happen.
End of the day it was a totally legal move that's been done a million times in racing of all categories, you don't like Hamilton, we get it.
"Don't try and twist things people say to suit your own opinions.", probably should try abiding by that rule yourself before accusing others.
End of the day it was a totally legal move that's been done a million times in racing of all categories, you don't like Hamilton, we get it.
"Don't try and twist things people say to suit your own opinions.", probably should try abiding by that rule yourself before accusing others.
I hate Hamilton and I would love to see Rosberg win the championship but he won't because Hamilton has the balls and the nerve to make moves like that. He is clearly the better, more aggressive, more determined driver and will always win those kind of duels against his team-mate
I got up for it, watched it for half an hour then struggled to stay awake - I checked the results before the highlights and wasn't suprised that there were no spoilers for the race result.
Re overtaking; F1 is probably one of the most cleanest when it comes to that compare it to Touring Cars. It is still a highly competitive sport though. They are in a title fight and the Merc that is leading after the first lap usually wins - harsh but fair at the most.
Rosberg may not be distinguised like a number two of the 'good old days' but he's a number two in the same way that Button is to Alonso - one is a better driver and will come out on top.
Re overtaking; F1 is probably one of the most cleanest when it comes to that compare it to Touring Cars. It is still a highly competitive sport though. They are in a title fight and the Merc that is leading after the first lap usually wins - harsh but fair at the most.
Rosberg may not be distinguised like a number two of the 'good old days' but he's a number two in the same way that Button is to Alonso - one is a better driver and will come out on top.
Seriously close to giving up on f1, seem to watch less and less of each race, today I watched first 12 laps then fast forwarded to lap 46, don't think I missed anything