The F1 Thread 2015 Season

mixed feelings about the return of refuelling, the danger is the one main thing, but will it really lead to more excitement ?
There is a massive cost involved in it, I bet there is a couple of teams that will struggle to afford it.
Free Tyre choice is good , even if a team uses a set of super softs to get further up the grid , that wont help them in the race.
 
Motorsport is dangerous and they did it with very little issue in the past, a few incidents but that's to be expected.

The worry is for me the action on track, by going back to re-fueling it makes it much more likely to see people "overtaking" through strategy and timely pitstops than actual on track action. But on the flipside of that it allows the drivers to push harder and maybe actually start racing for time instead of racing to save tyres/fuel. So damned if you do, damned if you don't really. When DRS isn't overpowering I think the action on track right now is quite entertaining but it's largely down to big performance differences or fresh tyres vs old, very little overtaking happens on an equal footing.

It's not going to hurt trying the old way again for a few seasons, but they absolutely need to do something about the grid size and smaller teams budgets, without that it's going down the drain anyway.
 
Positive changes overall but can't help thinking these are just more little changes like we've seen in the past few years. The reality is coming closer that there needs to be a fundamental rethink of how the sport is run right from the car to how money is distributed.

Drivers racing at the limit more often can only be a good thing. Strategy always tends to be similar for the front runners anyway, maybe this will allow smaller differences instead of both drivers of a team pitting one lap within each other for the optimal strategy.
 

New F1 rules at a glance

The Change

Aerodynamic rules evolution, wider tyres, reduction of car weight

Faster cars (five to six-second drop in lap times)

Reintroduction of refuelling (maintaining a maximum race fuel allowance)

The Outcome

Faster cars and potentially better tyre life

Higher revving engines

Louder cars

Under discussion

Global reflection on race weekend format

Measures to make starts only activated by the driver without outside assistance

 
An aerodynamic rules evolution plus Adrian Newey equals a dominant Red Bull again. Of course they're going to need a better engine from Renault but that's another discussion.
 
I'd like refuelling back in. It made for some very strategic races and qualifying actually. Especially when you had to use your quali fuel into the race.
I'll never forget Toyota somehow hilariously getting themselves pole position due to having a ridiculously low fuel load, then having to pit after about 4 laps
 
FINALLY Refueling is back. That used to make races. Hard tires + 2 stops versus softs and 3 stops used to be so much fun!
 
Toto Wolff's already come out and said they won't bother bringing back refuelling if it's too expensive, I'm hoping it goes the same way as standing restarts after safety cars.
 
Giggsy92 said:
Toto Wolff's already come out and said they won't bother bringing back refuelling if it's too expensive, I'm hoping it goes the same way as standing restarts after safety cars.
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you don't like refueling?
 
NM said:
you don't like refueling?
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I'm not a huge fan, it just leads to all the overtaking being done in the pits. Obviously the aero and the tyres are completely different now, so it might not be the same, but the races we have now are (on average) better than what we got up until 2010.
 
Giggsy92 said:
I'm not a huge fan, it just leads to all the overtaking being done in the pits. Obviously the aero and the tyres are completely different now, so it might not be the same, but the races we have now are (on average) better than what we got up until 2010.
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RedSky said:
I agree with this.
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Tbh I strongly disagree. I remember the fun of seeing 2 stops vs 3 stops and the likes of Schumacher stopping more and overtaking everything in sight on the track. The likes of Alonso, Vettell and Hamilton will be allowed to race more riskily (strategically) making it a better product. That's what I hope at least.

F1 has been shit the last few years.
 
NM said:
The likes of Alonso, Vettell and Hamilton will be allowed to race more riskily (strategically) making it a better product.
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No. It actually lead to 'safer' racing. Back in the day, if a car was quicker (Schumacher mainly) they would just wait to overtake in the pit stop rather than on the track. The races came down to a few time trial laps rather than on track action.

Ofcourse it might be different these days with DRS etc.

I'm still skeptical about it. Never been a fan of refueling.
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
No. It actually lead to 'safer' racing. Back in the day, if a car was quicker (Schumacher mainly) they would just wait to overtake in the pit stop rather than on the track. The races came down to a few time trial laps rather than on track action.

Ofcourse it might be different these days with DRS etc.

I'm still skeptical about it. Never been a fan of refueling.
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I don't remember it that way at all tbh. Heavy fuel and hard tires versus light fuel and softs used to be fun - or am just being nostalgic. Either way modern F1 is shit.
 
NM said:
I don't remember it that way at all tbh. Heavy fuel and hard tires versus light fuel and softs used to be fun - or am just being nostalgic. Either way modern F1 is shit.
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I think you are being nostalgic. People forget how crap F1 was in the early 2000s and it wasn't only because Schumacher was winning every year. The quality of racing throughout was really bad.

My fix for F1 is simple, reduce cost so more teams can join. 26 cars would make things a lot more fun.

Also, put these cars on good tracks rather than the ever increasing number of Tilke-domes. There is a reason why a few tracks like Montreal and Spa produce good races more often than not. They are challenging and unique.
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
I think you are being nostalgic. People forget how crap F1 was in the early 2000s and it wasn't only because Schumacher was winning every year. The quality of racing throughout was really bad.

My fix for F1 is simple, reduce cost so more teams can join. 26 cars would make things a lot more fun.

Also, put these cars on good tracks rather than the ever increasing number of Tilke-domes. There is a reason why a few tracks like Montreal and Spa produce good races more often than not. They are challenging and unique.
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Reduce costs more, its F1 the pinnacle of motor racing and you want it to be run on a shoe string budget and more teams wouldn't make it better, it would just be more slow cars and poorer teams would join and complain even more about costs.
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
I think you are being nostalgic. People forget how crap F1 was in the early 2000s and it wasn't only because Schumacher was winning every year. The quality of racing throughout was really bad.

My fix for F1 is simple, reduce cost so more teams can join. 26 cars would make things a lot more fun.

Also, put these cars on good tracks rather than the ever increasing number of Tilke-domes. There is a reason why a few tracks like Montreal and Spa produce good races more often than not. They are challenging and unique.
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christy87 said:
Reduce costs more, its F1 the pinnacle of motor racing and you want it to be run on a shoe string budget and more teams wouldn't make it better, it would just be more slow cars and poorer teams would join and complain even more about costs.
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@Ole's_toe_poke agree 100% that shit track design by Tilke (they are all fecking clones!) is part of the issue. However, I agree with @christy87 that if you reduce costs, F1 isn't the pinnacle anymore - cost cutting has already made the cars much slower than 10 years ago. That's INSANE.

F1 is supposed to be THE cutting edge of motorsport. I want fast cars, not cost cutting. Furthermore, cost cutting will mean the end of Ferrari, BMW etc. and F1 won't survive without Ferrari.
 
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