F1 has always been about the car. A really top driver can give you at best a second over a lap. A really top car can give you seconds.
The F1 Thread 2013 Season
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Hamilton a bit cagey in his interview
I agree and Red Bull have the best car driven by one of the top 3 drivers.
he does not like the tyre's, that is for sure.
Sounded like he'd been told to watch his mouth though.
1 race in 6 weeks. 
Cameraman apparently suffered a broken shoulder, cracked ribs, bruising and cuts and was transfered to hospital in nearby Koblenz.
Red Bull have been fined 30'000 euro's too, that money should go to the cameraman.
Why can't the FIA be consistent, it is unbelievable.
Di Resta and Webber should both have been given drive through penalties during the race for unsafe release.
Now they will both be punished in the next race with 5 or 10 place grid penalties.
Is this really fair?
The rules seem to change from race to race depending on who the stewards are.
Di Resta and Webber should both have been given drive through penalties during the race for unsafe release.
Now they will both be punished in the next race with 5 or 10 place grid penalties.
Is this really fair?
The rules seem to change from race to race depending on who the stewards are.
There won't be a grid penalty, it was dealt with a fine as the teams were at fault.
OK, I am not right in thinking that in the past drivers have been given drive throughs for this offence?
Is fining the teams now the way?
Ouch, though could have been much worse at the same time.
I don't understand why those sort of incident are deferred until after the race. There was plenty of time to look at it and punish webber as a result of it. Though drive through would have been pointless at that stage. Yet in other situation they give a penalty straight away. What makes them decide to look at it after the race or deal with it at the time?
Highlight of the race was the car rolling backwards across the track. So random.
Yes they have been given drive throughs in the past. Not sure when this changed and not sure I agree with this.
I dont agree with this, fast pit stops are part and parcel of F1, a bad one can cost you the race .
The cameraman getting hit was bad, but that was not because the pit was fast, it was just an accident.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/23230229
The cameraman getting hit was bad, but that was not because the pit was fast, it was just an accident.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/23230229
I like some of his reports but that article is a load of bollocks.
There was no lollipop man for Webber pit stop as they use a traffic light system.
There was no lollipop man for Webber pit stop as they use a traffic light system.
The problem in all this is that RBR were fined, not docked constructor points. For someone with all the riches in the sport, a fine is probably the least effective punishment.
I agree with you and also agree a fine is just pointless
One accident, of which I have never seen before and he thinks that the pit stops should be made slower, I just don't agree.
Why not just clear the pit lane of everybody that does not need to be there.
I think the punishment was fair, we have seen wheels fly off before and they have all been dealt with in a similar manner, I would say the Mclaren incident in Brazil was a lot worse and they also got off with a fine. As for the number of mechanics around the car, they have all got a role to do so I can't see them reduced the limit. I think the problem here was the traffic light board, it told Webber to go before the last wheel was on.
No surprises really. It was rather stupid for them to be in the pit lane to start with when cars are coming in and out all the time.
Safety is a priority obviously. Isn't that where Will Buxton hangs out though?
So now the commentary crew will be denied some info if the media are not allowed in because of a freak accident. seems overkill.
So now the commentary crew will be denied some info if the media are not allowed in because of a freak accident. seems overkill.
Not really no, the likes of Buxton and Kravitz hang around in the garages looking out during the races.
Camera's can still see into the pits and commentators can still access the garages and such. So we aren't really losing anything as a viewer. They just need to rethink how they film things a bit
F1 is always a better sport when Honda are involved, just one of those names its always nice to have around.
Yeah I drive a Honda.
Yeah I drive a Honda.
Any truth to the Kimi to Red Bull reports? I really want to see how good Vettel really is.
Lots of truth, natural fit. Only question will be if Red Bull want to promote Riccairdo and save some cash, or if Vettel doesn't fancy the threat but I doubt that would be the case. Hulkenburg the outside bet.
I think Hulkenburg will replace Massa at Ferrari.
It will be Ricciardo, he will fit in perfectly at RBR.
Hulkenberg has already had talks with Lotus for next year. I'd be surprised if Kimi isn't at Red Bull for 2014.
Having Hulkenberg and Grosjean in the same team is a bit risky, think they need someone with a bit experience who can guarantee them points every race.
RBR have got a good setup at the moment, Vettel is the main man who will fight for the WDC whilst the driver no2 is there to pick up the points for the Constructors title, bringing Kimi in will only disrupt the team.
You've made a fatal assumption that Lotus would want to keep Grosjean at the end of this year. Wouldn't be surprised if they move him on.
Not about this season , but well worth a watch.
Hunt v Lauda F1 greatest is on BBC2 at 9pm.
Hunt v Lauda F1 greatest is on BBC2 at 9pm.
Ricciardo is to be the Red Bull driver for the Young persons test.
Team Principal Christian Horner confirmed the three candidates for second Red Bull seat are Ricciardo, Jean-Eric Vergne and Kimi Raikkonen,
http://www1.skysports.com/formula-1...-Bull-chance-at-Silverstone-Young-Driver-Test
Team Principal Christian Horner confirmed the three candidates for second Red Bull seat are Ricciardo, Jean-Eric Vergne and Kimi Raikkonen,
http://www1.skysports.com/formula-1...-Bull-chance-at-Silverstone-Young-Driver-Test
We all know team Red Vettel is about one man. I can't see them risking taking on Raikkonen and having Vettel possibly be second best. Plus, I doubt Raikkonen would be overly happy at being the number 2, and maybe not getting the same support as Vettel. He's the best out of the 3, but it's not likely, would be expensive too. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see Raikkonen at the same team as Vettel, see if he can challenge him.
It will be good to see how his times compare to Webber/vettle when he gets in the same car. Ricciardo is clearly the better driver out of the two in the development team, so hopefully he can impress and push for webber's seat. It will at least give me an aussie to cheer for once webber leaves.
Formula One chief Bernie Ecclestone could face trial for alleged bribery after being indicted by German judge
Formula One chief executive Bernie Ecclestone has been formally served with an indictment from a German judge investigating allegations of bribery surrounding the last sale of the sport to its current owners, private equity firm CVC Capital Partners, in 2005.
Legal battle: Bernie Ecclestone has been indicted by a German judge Photo: PA
By Tom Cary, F1 Correspondent
12:00PM BST 17 Jul 2013
Investigations into the sale have been ongoing since 2011, with German banker Gerhard Gribkowsky - formerly the chief risk officer of Formula One stakeholders BayernLB - last summer jailed for eight and a half years for tax evasion, breach of trust towards his former employer and being in receipt of corrupt payments from Ecclestone.
Gribkowksy claimed the money, which totalled $44 million, was a bribe from Ecclestone and his family trust Bambino Holdings to ensure the sale of the sport to CVC.
Ecclestone, who initially denied any knowledge of the money, later changed his story, telling a Munich court that he had been "shaken down" by Gribkowksy, who had threatened to go to HM Revenue & Customs with "false evidence" that Ecclestone was more involved in the running of Bambino than he should have been.
Ecclestone insists that Gribkowsky only confessed in order to get a shorter sentence.
The 82-year-old told the Financial Times on Wednesday: "I have just spoken to my lawyers and they have received an indictment. It's being translated into English."
Asked how he would respond, Ecclestone said: "We are defending it properly. It will be an interesting case. It's a pity it's happened."
Ecclestone added that it was "inevitable" that the indictment had been served. "If someone wants to sue you, they can do it and you have to defend it," he said.
He told the FT that he had not been offered a way to settle the case financially.
The development comes as Ecclestone prepares to fight charges in the High Court on Wednesday from Constantin Medien, another former part owner of Formula One, which claims that Ecclestone and Gribkowsky conspired to undervalue the sport when it was sold to CVC for $1.7bn.
Ecclestone's future as the sport's chief executive is now likely to come under renewed scrutiny, with Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo saying last December that he expected the 82 year-old to step down if formally charged.
"If Bernie is accused under process [formally charged with an offence] I think he will be the first to step back in the interests of Formula One," Montezemolo said. "This could be bad for F1."
I for one am shocked. Just shocked.
Formula One chief executive Bernie Ecclestone has been formally served with an indictment from a German judge investigating allegations of bribery surrounding the last sale of the sport to its current owners, private equity firm CVC Capital Partners, in 2005.
Legal battle: Bernie Ecclestone has been indicted by a German judge Photo: PA
12:00PM BST 17 Jul 2013
Investigations into the sale have been ongoing since 2011, with German banker Gerhard Gribkowsky - formerly the chief risk officer of Formula One stakeholders BayernLB - last summer jailed for eight and a half years for tax evasion, breach of trust towards his former employer and being in receipt of corrupt payments from Ecclestone.
Gribkowksy claimed the money, which totalled $44 million, was a bribe from Ecclestone and his family trust Bambino Holdings to ensure the sale of the sport to CVC.
Ecclestone, who initially denied any knowledge of the money, later changed his story, telling a Munich court that he had been "shaken down" by Gribkowksy, who had threatened to go to HM Revenue & Customs with "false evidence" that Ecclestone was more involved in the running of Bambino than he should have been.
Ecclestone insists that Gribkowsky only confessed in order to get a shorter sentence.
The 82-year-old told the Financial Times on Wednesday: "I have just spoken to my lawyers and they have received an indictment. It's being translated into English."
Asked how he would respond, Ecclestone said: "We are defending it properly. It will be an interesting case. It's a pity it's happened."
Ecclestone added that it was "inevitable" that the indictment had been served. "If someone wants to sue you, they can do it and you have to defend it," he said.
He told the FT that he had not been offered a way to settle the case financially.
The development comes as Ecclestone prepares to fight charges in the High Court on Wednesday from Constantin Medien, another former part owner of Formula One, which claims that Ecclestone and Gribkowsky conspired to undervalue the sport when it was sold to CVC for $1.7bn.
Ecclestone's future as the sport's chief executive is now likely to come under renewed scrutiny, with Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo saying last December that he expected the 82 year-old to step down if formally charged.
"If Bernie is accused under process [formally charged with an offence] I think he will be the first to step back in the interests of Formula One," Montezemolo said. "This could be bad for F1."
I for one am shocked. Just shocked.
Can't wait until he fecks off from F1.
I have only just got round to watching this and it is excellent, centred on the 1976 season.
Every bit has good as the Senna doc, the fact that Lauda was back racing 5 weeks after being second from death was just beyond belief.
The last race of that season was a farce, should never of been run, they waited over 2 hours and the the rece director said the race must be started, it did with very heavy rain falling.
Lauda came in after a few laps, after deciding the track was dangerous to race on, the rain stopped not long after and the track dried out, basicly handing the WC to Hunt.
If you have not seen it, you should.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0377tb1/Hunt_vs_Lauda_F1s_Greatest_Racing_Rivals/
Austrian GP to be added to 2014 calendar. Haven't seen this course before, is it a good race? Obviously a broad question, but some races are generally more exciting than others.