The F1 Thread 2010 Season

Ross Brawn seems to think it's legal as the safety car came in therefore it didn't finish under the SC.
 
Schumacher overtake of Alonso was ILLEGAL. New 2010 rule (Sporting Regs 40.13) No overtaking when SC pulls into pits ON LAST LAP @5LiveF1

If the race ends under safety car conditions, which it did not.

If it did

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That light would be yellow.
 
I agree, it does seem that the race didn't end with safety car conditions.

Ross Brawn busting out the pictures and the text was quite funny though. He's got a point though.
 
what happened to bumsex button today? i hear he pulled out early??
 
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Now I think the FIA have fecked up. If the race finishes under safety car conditions, then Webber essentially becomes the safety car and there still is full course yellows. But as you can see, the track wasn't yellow it was green therefore the race finishes under racing conditions.
 
Now I think the FIA have fecked up. If the race finishes under safety car conditions, then Webber essentially becomes the safety car and there still is full course yellows. But as you can see, the track wasn't yellow it was green therefore the race finishes under racing conditions.[/QUOTE]

I agree, that light is clearly green. We had a similar situation in Australia 2009 when Button won under the safety car and the yellow flags were clearly out all the way to the finish line.
 
I find this more amusing than anything. Its just nice to have a glimpse of the old Schumacher back. Not sure of the rules, and to be honest, I'm not even sure if the FIA are completely sure of the rules, if they were they could have made a quick decision.
 
I find this more amusing than anything. Its just nice to have a glimpse of the old Schumacher back. Not sure of the rules, and to be honest, I'm not even sure if the FIA are completely sure of the rules, if they were they could have made a quick decision.

Same old schumi it is, love him or hate him you can't deny his genius.
 
I don't think knowledge of the rules is the problem, the rule clearly states that the drivers should proceed over the line without overtaking, the problem comes from the fact that they screwed up and put the green light/flags out.
 
I don't think knowledge of the rules is the problem, the rule clearly states that the drivers should proceed over the line without overtaking, the problem comes from the fact that they screwed up and put the green light/flags out.

But it was announced at the start of the lap the safety car was pulling in, so surely it finished under race conditions.
 
But it was announced at the start of the lap the safety car was pulling in, so surely it finished under race conditions.

Well the rule says where the race is to finish under SC conditions the SC will pull in at the end of the final lap, which is what it did. Only problem is they changed the yellows to greens. It could be that they decided to end the SC period but with only 100 yards of track left it would seem
odd, especially with a rule stating the SC goes in on the last lap but SC conditions continue to apply.

I guess we'll find out soon enough though!
 
the other top teams need to buck up and start challenging redbull or else they are going to run away with it.
 
Schumacher handed 20-second penalty

Michael Schumacher has been handed a 20-second penalty for having overtaken Fernando Alonso on the final corner of the Monaco Grand Prix.

The Mercedes GP driver passed Alonso just as the safety car had left the circuit on the final lap, and stewards deemed the race was still finishing under the safety car.

Under rule 40.13, which states that "if the race ends whilst the safety car is deployed it will enter the pitlane at the end of the last lap and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking," Schumacher has been given a penalty.

The German, who had passed Alonso for sixth, drops down to 12th, meaning Toro Rosso's Sebastien Buemi's scores the final point for 10th.

autosport.com - F1 News: Schumacher handed 20-second penalty
 
Don't really agree with that, green flags mean race in my book. Not overly fussed though because he certainly got his fair share of 'help' in the past.
 
Don't really agree with that, green flags mean race in my book. Not overly fussed though because he certainly got his fair share of 'help' in the past.
Safety car rules imply overtaking only once the cars cross the finishing line. Its a well known rule.

I think Schumacher should have not overtaken. But common sense should have prevailed post race and Schumacher should have just been restored to his original position of 7th.
 
Safety Car rules changed this season to the safety car line, not the finish line. The move was legal, its just because it was the last lap.
 
Well the fact is the rule was broken. It is mitigated by the fact that the FIA cocked up by putting the green flags out but at the end of the day the rule states that if the race is under safety car conditions on the last lap the SC will depart to the pits with the field continuing with no overtaking. It's perhaps harsh because it seems even the numpties in charge got it wrong, but that's the rule.
 
They should win that appeal. I'm sorry but Damon Hill is a fecking tool. There is no evidence to suggest Schumacher has broken the rules. Race control and the FIA have massively cocked up, and if the appeal isn't found in favor of Mercedes then this has serious ramifications for all of motorracing as when does a green flag not mean a green flag ffs.

If the race ends under the Safety car then the flags and the lights should be Yellow like they always have been.