The F1 2004 Season thread.

Micheal wins again :)
whats all the thing about F1 being boring
you have to give credit to micheal and ferari,micheal is a fantastic driver and probably one of the best...ferari and micheal are a class above the rest..if you watch f1 you would know about micheal stunning lap times he makes when it matters
 
feckin hell, F1 is borind as shit right now
i don know how u guys have been watching it , and this is comin from a ferrari fan.
even if the championship race isnt interesting , atleast the races should be more exciting, it same boring shit every race.
even though last year ferrari won everything , it was a very good season with lots of close races, they should stop the current season right now.
 
What do you guys think are Jenson Button's chances of winning a race at the moment?
 
I reckon that the longer the season goes on, the less likely BAR are to get a win - with an exception or two.

Jenson feels they are falling behind in development and its certainly true that Renault, Ferrari and McLaren have improved as the season has gone on, whereas BAR have been static, honing their package rather than making tangible improvements race after race. Thats to be expected - this is their first time at the sharp end of the grid. The bad news is that bar a sudden discovery in testing or the wind tunnel, its not easy to pick up the pace of development at the drop of a hat. The engineers need to be spending time working on overall concepts rather than just looking for a quick fix to something small. That applies to more than just the car itself - operations can be further refined and optimised at the circuit and that includes strategy. It can be done, Ferrari could do it, but I don't know if BAR can. And then as the season winds down, they've got to build next years car too. A lot of it depends on tyres too of course, not just the fact the Bridgestone seem to have a better wearing boot, but the BAR will have different tyre wear characteristics to the Renault and the McLaren. Also, they have been very conservative with their pit strategy, as have the others, when compared to Ferrari.

As for exceptions, Suzuka is the one that stands out the most. Sato goes well there, as does Button and it's Honda's home race, with the championship probably already decided, it'll be good chance to turn up the wick for constructor's points at the end of the season. They may have a shout at Monza if the engine can keep together, but that's a long shot IMO.
 
Schumacher has now become the God of Formula 1 that Jordan was to Basketball.
 
Alonso and Button was great, at least some overtaking excitement rather than pitstops victory, I can see a bright future ahead for both.

I quite like Sato actually, doesnt give a feck and will give you a tough time every time, kamikaze quite literally.

Kimi had a massive shunt tho, the bloody wing disintergrated and he smacked right into the wall, for the second time at Hockenheim in two years. And he also has never finished a GP there.
 
micheal is an absolute legend..his 3rd intermediate time during qualifying was stunning..no other driver got close...i wonder where he got the time he got during qualifying.....another flawless race....too bad for barrichello though...but button and alonso was great....
and the icing on the cake...the superb retirement of the ICEman :)
 
I can't help but think that it's all Montoya's fault for ruining what's a perfect season so far for Schumi. :mad:
 
Easy win for Mick. Had Kimi stayed on maybe he could have given him something to think about, and had Button started in his rightful place he would have been in second place at the start thanks to Montoya's slow start. It looks good for Mick, in reality thought, he was given it on a plate. Raikkonen retiring, Buttons penalty, Rubens mistake and Renault being their usual not quite good enough selves. Mick was serene, but the hard work is always being done to make it look so easy. Best driver ever.
 
Conspiracy Cal? said:
I can't help but think that it's all Montoya's fault for ruining what's a perfect season so far for Schumi. :mad:
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I don't think so. Mick was fecking around unnecessarily under the safety car - you can't do that with Montoya. Trulli had him anyway.
 
MelvinYeo said:
Kimi had a massive shunt tho, the bloody wing disintergrated and he smacked right into the wall, for the second time at Hockenheim in two years. And he also has never finished a GP there.
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The idiot Germans/Tifosi cheering when he went off was a bit thick. They did the same to Hill when he went off there in 95 or 96. Morons. You don't cheer when a driver has a big shunt, no matter what.
 
Keane16 said:
The idiot Germans/Tifosi cheering when he went off was a bit thick. They did the same to Hill when he went off there in 95 or 96. Morons. You don't cheer when a driver has a big shunt, no matter what.
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Yep I agree.

Wonders of the mordern safety, if it was around 94 95 ithere would have been of some injury,
 
Alonso and Montoya are the future.

The sooner Schumacher goes, the better.
 
Keane16 said:
The idiot Germans/Tifosi cheering when he went off was a bit thick. They did the same to Hill when he went off there in 95 or 96. Morons. You don't cheer when a driver has a big shunt, no matter what.
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i agreed that the cheering is a bit off. But do you remember how the brits celebrate when shummy broke his leg at silverstone?? that's even worst.
 
Jens said:
Alonso and Montoya are the future.

The sooner Schumacher goes, the better.
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Montoya for the future?? bah. the sooner he leave and return to indy the better.

Anyway Button, Webber and Sato for the future.

As for Shummi, whether you like it or not, you are actually watching a legend. It will take a decade before anyone can come close.
 
Keane16 said:
Nope, its the same.
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anyway no point in arguing about that.

If the changes propose for reducing the speed for F1 car it introduce next year. I will stop watching for good. :(

anyway how many F1 race you have been to?
 
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I don't mind rules changes very much. They'll still be the quickest cars and the best drivers and if they can make the things run together without suffering, all the better.

I have a problem with some track changes though.
 
Funny you say that Keane16, Alex Yoong was on the otherday and said Hockenheim was a great circuit and became a kart track basically after 2002.

And on your profile international racing driver..

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MelvinYeo said:
Funny you say that Keane16, Alex Yoong was on the otherday and said Hockenheim was a great circuit and became a kart track basically after 2002.

And on your profile international racing driver..

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I have a soft spot for the old Hockenheim, although the new one isn't the worst. Most drivers prefer fast circuits, thats just the way they are. Slow corners can be tricky and technical and a challenge in that way, but going flat out through a fast corner, on the limit - thats where you get smiley helmet face.

Don't be listening to Alex Yoong anyway.
 
Webber to Williams, I'm not too surprised about, but Fisichella to Renault is a bit questionable. Apparantly Jarno Trulli jumped ship because Flavio Briatore was putting the squeeze on him looking for a management contract. Despite Briatore's claims to the contrary, it couldn't have been anything to do with lap times etc...as Jarno has been as quick as Alonso all year, quicker on a lot of occasions.

Renault should give Briatore the bullet in my view. He doesn't add much to the team. He is not a motor racing man, nor a technical man, doesn't decide strategy or anything like that. But he does go to all the right parties.

His main interest seems to be tying up drivers on long term management contracts and then using his position at Renault to move them around to his best advantage. Take this week. Williams wanted Fisichella, but Flavio decided that if Webber was going to Williams, then he wanted Fisichella. Webber is under contract to him also. Its a bit tricky this, but Fisi's contract at Sauber had a buy out clause stating that he could leave for one of McLaren, Williams or Ferrari, the reason he is at Renault now is because that "Webber's manager Flavio Briatore took advantage of this situation by blocking the Australian's move to Williams unless Frank Williams agreed to negotiate a release for Fisichella from Sauber" - from GrandPrix.com.

You don't see Frank Williams, Ron Dennis or Jean Todt getting involved in this kind of silliness. Flavio is a leech on the back of F1 and anything Renault have achieved (not much) they have achieved in spite of their team director.

They should lose him to make the next step.
 
Keane16 said:
Webber to Williams, I'm not too surprised about, but Fisichella to Renault is a bit questionable. Apparantly Jarno Trulli jumped ship because Flavio Briatore was putting the squeeze on him looking for a management contract. Despite Briatore's claims to the contrary, it couldn't have been anything to do with lap times etc...as Jarno has been as quick as Alonso all year, quicker on a lot of occasions.

Renault should give Briatore the bullet in my view. He doesn't add much to the team. He is not a motor racing man, nor a technical man, doesn't decide strategy or anything like that. But he does go to all the right parties.

His main interest seems to be tying up drivers on long term management contracts and then using his position at Renault to move them around to his best advantage. Take this week. Williams wanted Fisichella, but Flavio decided that if Webber was going to Williams, then he wanted Fisichella. Webber is under contract to him also. Its a bit tricky this, but Fisi's contract at Sauber had a buy out clause stating that he could leave for one of McLaren, Williams or Ferrari, the reason he is at Renault now is because that "Webber's manager Flavio Briatore took advantage of this situation by blocking the Australian's move to Williams unless Frank Williams agreed to negotiate a release for Fisichella from Sauber" - from GrandPrix.com.

You don't see Frank Williams, Ron Dennis or Jean Todt getting involved in this kind of silliness. Flavio is a leech on the back of F1 and anything Renault have achieved (not much) they have achieved in spite of their team director.

They should lose him to make the next step.
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Briatore is there just to make Renault flash at all, I agree with you that Biratore is not a F1 man, he is just simply there to make flash car launches every year. When theres a successful period for Benneton/Renault uunder his management it is always backed up by a very good back room staff like Brawn Bryne and more recently Gascyocnce although he has since left.

I don't get this of a team manager managing a driver of another team, which is utter rubbish, can you imagine Wenger Ferguie(ok maybe not with his son;)) or a top football manager joining a some kind of agency and misuse their position no I dont think not
 
MelvinYeo said:
When theres a successful period for Benneton/Renault uunder his management it is always backed up by a very good back room staff like Brawn Bryne and more recently Gascyocnce although he has since left.
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Renault haven't had any success yet. One win a year is not success and they won't make the leap to Ferrari or even Williams and McLaren until they drop this cnut. He's a parasite and he smokes in the pits. He also lucked into Michael Schumacher by way of Tom Walkinshaw.

Owning the contract of a driver who drives for another team, or even a driver who drives for your own team is clearly a conflict of interest for both parties. I can't believe he has a job. Look what happened to Villeneueve - his manager was also his boss, run that through and it amounts to deciding how much to pay yourself. Now they are both unemployed and an Englishman is making them both look very stupid and silly.

Feck off Flavio.
 
Keane16 said:
Renault haven't had any success yet. One win a year is not success and they won't make the leap to Ferrari or even Williams and McLaren until they drop this cnut. He's a parasite and he smokes in the pits. He also lucked into Michael Schumacher by way of Tom Walkinshaw.

Owning the contract of a driver who drives for another team, or even a driver who drives for your own team is clearly a conflict of interest for both parties. I can believe he has a job. Look what happened to Villeneueve - his manager was also his boss, run that through and it amounts to deciding how much to pay yourself. Now they are both unemployed and an Englishman is making them both look very stupid and silly.

Feck off Flavio.
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Agree with every single word on that
 
Now Da Matta 's being replaced by zonta for the rest of the season.

Taht I can't understand because I rate da Matta whose a Champcar champion higher than Zonta who was a failure at BAR.

Zonta must be a bigger seat waster than da MAtta?
 
Da Matta is rubbish. So was Zanardi in F1.

It doesn't suit him, he brings nothing to the show, he has no tricks with which to entertain us.

No loss.

Then again, in a sport where you 'get no second chances', Zonta is getting his 3rd. and he's done nothing with any of them. There must be something more to him than just being as crap as his performances suggest. He was much hotter that DaMatta pre-F1.
 
Keane16 said:
Da Matta is rubbish. So was Zanardi in F1.

It doesn't suit him, he brings nothing to the show, he has no tricks with which to entertain us.

No loss.

Then again, in a sport where you 'get no second chances', Zonta is getting his 3rd. and he's done nothing with any of them. There must be something more to him than just being as crap as his performances suggest. He was much hotter that DaMatta pre-F1.
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If you go by rubbish rating then I should think da Matta is definitely less rubbish then Zonta who is absolutely crap.

At least wait until the end of the season before replacing him imo, Zonta would not get moer out of the car then da MAtta
 
MelvinYeo said:
If you go by rubbish rating then I should think da Matta is definitely less rubbish then Zonta who is absolutely crap.

At least wait until the end of the season before replacing him imo, Zonta would not get moer out of the car then da MAtta
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No, I think they are spot on in releasing him now. Toyota are irrelevant in F1 this season and there is no way Zonta could possibly get any less out of the car than Da Matta, its a no lose scenario for Toyota.

In short, Zonta might be crap, DaMatta is crap.

New drivers next year anyway.
 
Keane16 said:
No, I think they are spot on in releasing him now. Toyota are irrelevant in F1 this season and there is no way Zonta could possibly get any less out of the car than Da Matta, its a no lose scenario for Toyota.

In short, Zonta might be crap, DaMatta is crap.

New drivers next year anyway.
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Zonta is utter crap, way more so than da Matta, I can hardly remember him doing anything of note in his F1 career(I know the same could eb same for da Matta) Wouldn't it be more sensible to get someone like Verstappen in for a couple of races or even one of their young test drivers.

Yeah all change at Toyota next season, Trulli coming in, as welll as some other rumoured to replace Paniss
 
MelvinYeo said:
Wouldn't it be more sensible to get someone like Verstappen in for a couple of races or even one of their young test drivers.
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Verstappen is the epitome of crap - and he's had more missed chances than Andy Cole and his manager is a Grade A moron. Toyota are irrelevant, but they haven't become a joke just yet. They probably have been impressed with Zonta and want to give him a spin - could be sponsor related, or maybe they fell out with DaMatta and Zonta is the best bet because he knows the car.
 
Keane16 said:
Verstappen is the epitome of crap - and he's had more missed chances than Andy Cole and his manager is a Grade A moron. Toyota are irrelevant, but they haven't become a joke just yet. They probably have been impressed with Zonta and want to give him a spin - could be sponsor related, or maybe they fell out with DaMatta and Zonta is the best bet because he knows the car.
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Zonta may know the car but someone new could do some tests with the car, the race is still a week away. Could be sponsors related but I can't see why Toyota need more cash.

Verstappen has done well in whichever crap team hes been at, and I can see him doing fairly well at Toyota, certainly better than Zonta if we're comparing their speed
 
Nah, Verstappen's had his day, and he was mediocre at best even when faced with crappy teammates. Goodbye, Jos, we hardly knew you etc....the history of F1 remains untarnished by your mediocrity. Take your sponsors money, your arrogant manager and your obnoxious supporters somewhere else- (I had a terrible time with some Verstappen fans in Germany one time)
 
BAR is the one hes rumoured to be after

Knowing all comebacks its going to be like Jones or Mansell
 
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