Gaming The Europa Universalis 4 Experiment III

If I remember right they amped up the civil war stuff after the Infantes of Aragon event. If you set up your armies right you can get through it easily, but I have seen the AI completely taken over by rebels in some of my saves. Navigating that might be tricky for someone's first/second save.
My last Spain save was from Origins DLC. On hard. It was easy peasy.
Btw; tip for Spain players (my favourite move with Spain). Wait for Portugal to get two colonization ideas THEN attack them and vassalize or PU them. Let them to colonize 50-60 years and then annex them.
 
My last Spain save was from Origins DLC. On hard. It was easy peasy.
Btw; tip for Spain players (my favourite move with Spain). Wait for Portugal to get two colonization ideas THEN attack them and vassalize or PU them. Let them to colonize 50-60 years and then annex them.

Castile was changed in 1.35 apparently. Here is what they did:

Europa Universalis IV - Development Diary 21st of February 2023 - Spain | Paradox Interactive Forums (paradoxplaza.com)

If you set up your start right it is not big deal, but if not then those big ass rebel armies that pop up can take you out quick.
 
@Phil Jones Face . Do Spain even protect colonies? Send armies to Florida?

Sort of. Spain sometimes declares wars directly on the natives and become involved, however they largely leave the colonies to be autonomous. Sometimes @The Cat - @RedSky will threaten the natives into declaring white peaces when New Spain inevitably fecks up.

Spain currently has 7 colonial nations. Of the 5 in North America, I'd rate their performances:

Florida - E tier
California - C tier
Louisiana - D tier
Pacifico Norte - B tier
New Spain - Shakesy tier
 
I missed this one. @P-Nut's landlocked provinces succumbed to rebel revolts. Unable to retake the land due to the Ottomans refusing military access, they revolted and installed a new regime - Kiev.

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Another day in the new world, another day of New Spain being a complete shit show. I've seen Shakesy run better countries.

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Colonial Canada (@maniak) declared war on colonial Vinland (@Andycoleno9). No parents were brought in. The French Canadian's destroyed the Danes.

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@MadDogg started colonising Malaysia and attacked Aceh. @harms joined the war on his side. In the first phase of the war, MadDogg peaced out Aceh's allies and gave harms two provinces while MadDogg received nothing. In the second phase of the war, harms packed his bags and went home. MadDogg then lost to Aceh.

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A few days after the loss to Aceh, Britain had a civil war and Oliver Cromwell overthrew the monarchy.

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Then 3 years later they decided republicanism was a silly thing and reinstated the king.

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Unhappy with the outcome of the previous Vijayanagar war, harms went in for round two. And lost again in the worlds most famous stare off contest. If at first you don't succeed.. try and try again.

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New Andycoleno9 declared a war of independence against old Andycoleno9. The colonial empire had its independence supported by harms, @Organic Potatoes and Andycoleno9. P-Nut answered the Danes call to arms. It was arguably the first world war of the game.

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With the wargoal being in north America and the majority of Danish troops stationed defending the homeland, it was a foregone conclusion. Russia focused on rushing down Denmark, while Austria subdued the Commonwealth

Stettin surrendered and gave 2 provinces to Dr. Dwayne's PU hobbers, for which the Emperor was grateful for, while the P-Nut was partitioned further.

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Andycoleno9 stubbornly continued the war, but eventually had to admit defeat. He lost the crown jewel in his colonial empire, while his other colonies were severely reduced in size. New Andycoleno9 is released as an independent nation.

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And we must say goodbye to another player. Fed up with @WI_Red's stubborn refusal to help him in any wars, @Withnail annexed the former kingdom of Egypt.

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In other news:

  • Withnail annexed Adal diplomatically and declared war on Ethiopia again. Wisely, harms decided to not answer their call to arms and abandoned the Ethiopians to their fate.
  • Dr. Dwayne, MadDogg and harms are supporting the independence of maniak's Canadian colony
  • Dr. Dwayne made Wurzburg a vassal then annexed diplomatically
  • Organic Potatoes is annexing minors in Siberia, attacking into Manchuria and colonising the East Indies
  • The Cat-RedSky are mopping up Australia and have started to involve themselves directly more in colonial America. Things are looking up. Except for New Spain. New Spain will always be a shit show
  • maniak paid off P-Nut's debts and is rapidly expanding westward in north America
  • Andycoleno9 begun colonising south America
  • Emperor Dr. Dwayne died. New Dr. Dwayne has the unanimous support of the electors.
  • harms went back to attacking Kilwa on the east coast of Africa and took a lot of territory
  • Frisia now has a colony in Colombia. And it attacked New Spain. New Spain obviously surrendered Honduras to them. Then went bankrupt.
 
and by annex you mean he gave my ruler a Burger King paper crown and a lollipop and told him he was still king.
 
1644- 200 year update
1644- 200 year update

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Reminder: Skanderbeg broken, vassal stats not included. Colonial nations (namely, harms, maniak and The Cat-RedSky) will be a little stronger than the lists reflect



Development (value of provinces):


  1. Withnail: 2 846 (unchanged)
  2. Organic Potatoes: 1 576 (unchanged)
  3. Dr. Dwayne: 1 476 (unchanged)
  4. The Cat-RedSky: 1 146 (unchanged)
  5. MadDogg: 1 083 (unchanged)
  6. maniak: 976 (unchanged)
  7. harms: 826 (+1)
  8. P-Nut: 776 (-1)
  9. Andycoleno9: 501 (+1)
  10. hobbers: 193 (new entry)

Land army size:

  1. Withnail: 353,000 (+2)
  2. Dr. Dwayne: 224,000 (+1)
  3. harms: 158,000 (+4)
  4. The Cat-RedSky: 153 ,000 (-3)
  5. Organic Potatoes: 127 ,000 (unchanged)
  6. MadDogg: 126 ,000 (unchanged)
  7. maniak: 119 ,000 (+1)
  8. P-Nut: 93,000 (-4)
  9. Andycoleno9: 44 ,000 (unchanged)
  10. AnotherLondonManc: 29 ,000 (unchanged)

Navy size:

  1. Withnail: 260 (unchanged)
  2. MadDogg: 183 (+1)
  3. harms: 150 (+3)
  4. The Cat-RedSky: 135 (-2)
  5. Andycoleno9: 89 (-1)
  6. maniak: 87 (unchanged)
  7. Organic Potatoes: 41 (unchanged)
  8. P-Nut: 31 (+1)
  9. Dr. Dwayne: 25 (+1)

Total income:

  1. Withnail: 434 (unchanged)
  2. harns: 256 (+7) :eek:
  3. MadDogg: 247 (-1)
  4. Dr. Dwayne: 229 (unchanged)
  5. The Cat-RedSky: 212 (-2)
  6. maniak: 138 (unchanged)
  7. Organic Potatoes: 114 (-2)
  8. P-Nut: 85 (unchanged)
  9. AnotherLondonManc: 71 (+1)
  10. Andycoleno9: 33 (-1)

Mana generated (i.e, how lucky you've been with your monarch spawn stats or events and how much you've spent improving your country):

  1. Withnail: 78083 (unchanged)
  2. MadDogg: 69343 (unchanged)
  3. The Cat-RedSky: 69126 (unchanged)
  4. maniak: 67083 (+1)
  5. AnotherLondonManc: 66047 (-1)
  6. P-Nut: 64643 (unchanged)
  7. Dr. Dwayne: 64539 (+1)
  8. harms: 63723 (+2)
  9. Organic Potatoes: 62003 (unchanged)
  10. Andycoleno9: 60225 (-3)

Ideas chosen (provide important buffs, generated by mana):

35: harms, maniak, The Cat-RedSky, MadDogg, Dr Dwayne, AnotherLondonManc, hobbers
33: P-Nut
32: Withnail
31: Andycoleno9, Organic Potatoes


Army casualties (in combat + attrition)

  1. Withnail: 3 047 437 (unchanged)
  2. The Cat-RedSky: 1 198 175 (unchanged)
  3. Organic Potatoes: 1 118 920 (unchanged)
  4. MadDogg: 1 005 890 (+2)
  5. Dr. Dwayne: 991 331 (-1)
  6. harms: 920 339 (+2)
  7. P-Nut: 895 152 (-2)
  8. Andycoleno9: 550 552 (+1)
  9. maniak: 534 181 (new entry)
  10. AnotherLondonManc: 410 460 (unchanged)


Navy casualties:

  1. harms: 145 (+3)
  2. Withnail: 111 (-1)
  3. AnotherLondonManc: 76 (-1) (he doesn't even have a navy anymore ffs!)
  4. Organic Potatoes: 70 (+1)
  5. The Cat-RedSky: 40 (+1)
  6. maniak: 30 (+4)
  7. Andycoleno9: 27 (unchanged)
  8. MadDogg: 13 (+1)
  9. Dr. Dwayne: 12 (-1)

Dead players:

  1. KirkDuyt (partioned by Andycoleno9 and Organic Potatoes)
  2. SilentWitness (gobbled up by AnotherLondonManc, who is basically now Milan having lost the majority of his Venetian provinces, except he's torquoise)
  3. Shakesy (beaten down by maniak, partioned by Dr. Dwayne, P-Nut and Withnail. Hated by everybody except for Mantua, who outlived him with their one province)
  4. Stobzilla (beaten down by Dr. Dwayne, PU'd and integrated by Dr. Dwayne)
  5. nimic (tickled by Withnail, beaten down by The Cat-RedSky, vassalised and integrated by maniak)
  6. PSV (PU'd by Dr. Dwayne, released by Dr. Dwayne, PU'd by Dr. Dwayne, integrated by Dr. Dwayne)
  7. SIlentWitness (ressurected by the Pope, preached the Gospel, crucified by AnotherLondonManc)
  8. WI_Red (pummelled by Withnail over and over, vassalised and offered candy by Withnail, stubbornly refused to assist Withnail, integrated by Withnail)

Religious map :

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Tech map (the greener you are, the more tech you've embraced and the bigger advantages you have over your neighbours):

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The state of the HRE. It has passed 4 reforms:

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The dynastic map:

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Cheers for the pointers lads, in fairness I was running on an ancient laptop so it was taking forever to go forward 1 day. I skipped the tutorial as well like an idiot so had no idea how to move troops, or basically do anything.

I've decided I'm investing in a new laptop towards the end of the year so I'll give it another shot then.
 
Cheers for the pointers lads, in fairness I was running on an ancient laptop so it was taking forever to go forward 1 day. I skipped the tutorial as well like an idiot so had no idea how to move troops, or basically do anything.

I've decided I'm investing in a new laptop towards the end of the year so I'll give it another shot then.
You put it on max speed? If so then don't even try. More years pass, game will become slower and slower.
 
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Started the game at war. Had loads of uprisings, couldn't win the war then disasters appeared everywhere so I quit it.

Nothing like the tutorial :lol:
Ouch. Portugal then. Put it on easy for the first time and play safe. You focus on alliances and PU with Spain. Later with France (to back stab Spain).
Go to wars in Aftica ASAP and focus on colonization. Portugal is the goat in colonization. Believe me, one save is enough to learn everything. No need for tutorials and shit.
Just one thing; use pause when you are doing something. It is easier that way. For me at least. Max speed, pause, max speed, pause....


If you want to stick with Spain then;
Press ~ and type in window; "cash" :wenger:
 
Ouch. Portugal then. Put it on easy for the first time and play safe. You focus on alliances and PU with Spain. Later with France (to back stab Spain).
Go to wars in Aftica ASAP and focus on colonization. Portugal is the goat in colonization. Believe me, one save is enough to learn everything. No need for tutorials and shit.
Just one thing; use pause when you are doing something. It is easier that way. For me at least. Max speed, pause, max speed, pause....
Thanks.
 
You put it on max speed? If so then don't even try. More years pass, game will come slower and slower.

I didn't know there was a max speed, but the laptop is a piece of junk. It was just one that's been lying about the house for years and reading these last few games made me want to give it a try so I dug it out.
 
In terms of this actual game, I seem to have been going backwards ever since we created the commonwealth. Any chance I can just give Lithuania back :lol:
 
Amazing how AI is stupid in this experiment. Messed up nearly every bigger country. Ai can't handle being empire.
 
Ouch. Portugal then. Put it on easy for the first time and play safe. You focus on alliances and PU with Spain. Later with France (to back stab Spain).
Go to wars in Aftica ASAP and focus on colonization. Portugal is the goat in colonization. Believe me, one save is enough to learn everything. No need for tutorials and shit.
Just one thing; use pause when you are doing something. It is easier that way. For me at least. Max speed, pause, max speed, pause....


If you want to stick with Spain then;
Press ~ and type in window; "cash" :wenger:

I just fired up a Spain save to see if it really has been changed and... oh boy.

For the Infantes of Aragon event you need to have 0 Stab and no rebel armies or rebel controlled provinces. Seems simple, right? Here's the problem, they have added scripted events that make you chose one of 2 options:

1. -50 (or maybe 75) Admin points and rebels
2. -1 Stab

You essentially get into a doom loop of never being able to get enough Admin points to raise stab to 0.

I knew it was coming and just barely eked out a finish to the event, and that was with leaving one of those doom events windows open for a month while I sieged down the last province. It is probably RNG dependent, but it was a real bitch.
 
RELIGIOUS LEAGUE WAR!

Or not.

Look, I'm not going to complain - they're bloody, they're manic, they're an absolute bitch to follow and understand what's going on. You feckers had 100 years to organise amongst yourselves who was going to defend Catholicism and who was going to defend Protestantism and you couldn't even manage that. Credit to Andycoleno9 and more recently maniak for putting their heads above the parapets. For the rest of you? Shame!

(but also thank you. Thank feck I don't have to sit through that mess)

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After being released, New Andycoleno9 formed the United States. Thank god they didn't keep the Danish colours. They declared war on maniak's colony of Floride and annexed them. I also noticed they ended up controlling Flyn and Lolland as part of their independence war. The United States in Europe. I don't even..

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With the threat of a league war finished, Dr. Dwayne set about systematically attacking the minor HRE princes who had rebelled and converted to Protestantism in order for him to gain Imperial authority. He attacked Munich, Memmingen, Berg, Regensburg, Wurtemburg, Stettin, Cologne and Frankfurt. In the successive wars he took 10 provinces and all the princes were forced to convert back to Catholicism. Only 32 more heretic princes to convert back.

You'll also notice below that @Dr. Dwayne is no longer the Emperor, ending a long line of Dr. Dwaynes. His efforts and recent campaigning against the protestant princes seem to have severely damaged his standing within the HRE. The new Dr. Dwayne was only able to muster 2 of the 7 elector votes and Ferrara was elected to replace him. He has since gained another vote, but there's still a lot of bad blood in the HRE.

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maniak declared war on Savoy who only had 12k troops and called in Withnail to help. He annexed them.

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Then @maniak's Canadian colony declared its independence war against France. They were supported by @harms, @MadDogg and Dr. Dwayne. maniak called his ally @P-Nut to help and the Commonwealth duly obliged, just as they had done in Andycoleno9's colonial war. Once again P-Nut would be facing off against the Austrians. The odds looked especially bleak for the French, with its enemies vastly outnumbering them.

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Repeatedly Portuguese invasions over the Pyrenees were routed, while the Austrians focused again on the Commonwealth. Luckily for France, Dr. Dwayne was war weary fighting the HRE princes and accepted a white peace without taking any French or Commonwealth territory, having lost 99k in battle and 27k to attrition. maniak defended France ably against the British and Portuguese. Soon the British tired and MadDogg white peaced out with 73k to battle and 26k to attrition. This left the French vs Portugal and Canada. maniak marched on Portugal and sieged it down, forcing them to surrender and pay an indemnity of 690 gold. harms had lost 158k men in battle and another 48k to attrition. With the only two combatants left being colonial France and France, it looked like that despite all odds, maniak would be able to finally land in Canada and fight back.

Alas, it was not to be. The French fleet had been battered by the Portuguese and British in the war and only had 36 ships remaining. His former colony by contrast had 74 ships. There was no safe way for him to transport his numerically superior armies to Canada. With -20% warscore, it would only be a matter of time before maniak surrendered, right?

Wrong. French Canada got bored and threw in the towel in its own independence war. Despite having a superior warscore and despite having an unbeatable navy. The entire escapade cost France 188k dead on the field and 70k to attrition. I haven't been so disappointed in a colony since I looked at New Spain 2 months ago.

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MadDogg declared war on @Andycoleno9 over the Shetland islands. The British were returning after a 150 year slumber, pitting 168k redcoats vs 50k depressed Danes. With total naval control, the Brits were free to amphibious assault where they pleased and Denmark was carpet sieged. It was a brief war with fairly lenient terms. Because Britain does everything by half.

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Shortly afterwards, Lubeck declared war on the Danes and Andycoleno9 was forced to cede his capital. He can't catch a break.

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@Withnail attacked Mahra, who was allied to the Mughals, bringing the Indo-Persians into their first major conflict with the west. After 5 years, 31,000 dead to battle and 340,000 dead to attrition, the Ottomans peaced the Mughals out. Taking one 3 dev province. Yes you read that right. 371,000 sacrificed for a 3 development province. Just to put into perspective, a 3 dev province in game is the equivalent to Kabul or Edinburgh in real life.

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The third Portuguese-Vijayanagar war was started by harms, who likes to harm himself. The third war ended as the previous two had. harms promises not to declare on the Indian princes again.

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And finally, we lose another player. Emperor Dr. Dwayne tired of his plaything @hobbers and annexed him. Goodbye hobbers. Here's a highlight reel of your finest moments.

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In other news:

  • As part of Dr. Dwayne's punishing of the princes, he declared war on Ausburg who was allied to AnotherLondonManc. The Papal States and Austria sieged down Venice and it looked like he was in trouble, however the Emperor annexed Ausburg and ended the war before inflicting any territorial losses on Venice. Phew.
  • The province of Trentino defected to AnotherLondonManc. I don't know why.
  • harms allied Ethiopia again to spite the Turks. His east African colony nearly borders Withnail after more rapid expansion
  • Friesland is gobbling up Mexico because The Cat-RedSky can't control their vassals
  • harm's Colombian colony declared war on and annexed Colombian Friesland
  • Organic Potatoes is pushing towards Korea and Japan
  • maniak declared war on Kongo, but then got involved in his colonial war and had to cede a province to the African tribe
  • Nupe in Africa declared war on Andycoleno9 his Cameroon colonies are sieged down
 
Dirty American traitors. I gave them land, bread on table, and that is how they repay me. Just because i wanted 90% of their incomings and to sing my name. Bastards.
Meh, that new country is doomed to fail. Mark my words.
 
It's about time I start a war and the French back me up. Losing troops and gaining nothing is no fun.
 
Delighted to still be relevant in the top ten lists (besides casualties which seems ridiculous given my tiny territory)

@Phil Jones Face as a UE4 veteran, what would be the most lofty ambition you would hope for playing my nation as it is now against the AI?
 
MadDogg started colonising Malaysia and attacked Aceh. harms joined the war on his side. In the first phase of the war, MadDogg peaced out Aceh's allies and gave harms two provinces while MadDogg received nothing. In the second phase of the war, harms packed his bags and went home. MadDogg then lost to Aceh.

A few days after the loss to Aceh, Britain had a civil war and Oliver Cromwell overthrew the monarchy.

Then 3 years later they decided republicanism was a silly thing and reinstated the king.
What...the....feck?

Then maniak's Canadian colony declared its independence war against France. They were supported by harms, MadDogg and Dr. Dwayne. maniak called his ally P-Nut to help and the Commonwealth duly obliged, just as they had done in Andycoleno9's colonial war. Once again P-Nut would be facing off against the Austrians. The odds looked especially bleak for the French, with its enemies vastly outnumbering them.
Finally, time to do something right!

Soon the British tired and MadDogg white peaced out with 73k to battle and 26k to attrition.
*bangs head into the wall*

MadDogg declared war on Andycoleno9 over the Shetland islands. The British were returning after a 150 year slumber, pitting 168k redcoats vs 50k depressed Danes. With total naval control, the Brits were free to amphibious assault where they pleased and Denmark was carpet sieged. It was a brief war with fairly lenient terms. Because Britain does everything by half.
Meh. At least it was something. Andycole did look like the juiciest target, but I didn't even do that properly.

Considering I've supposedly averaged the second best rulers so far in the game, I haven't half been a colossal disappointment.
 
I'm feeling bad for my fictitious troops at this point. I mean 370k lost to secure somewhere the size of Edinburgh?
Go with that famous one; "Losing one soldier is a tragedy, losing 370k is only a statistic"
 
@AnotherLondonManc continues his death by a thousand cuts. The Emperor of the HRE, Ferrara, demanded Milan from Venice in it's war vs the Venetian ally Genoa.

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Then Genoa was declared on by Tunis, who called in Withnail and Venice answered the call to arms. Again. You could call it luck that the Venetian's lost nothing in the Ottoman war, but there's nothing for them to lose. They're landlocked and buried in the bosom of the Alps.

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@Organic Potatoes aggressive expansion eastward has brought him into conflict with the Shogunate and Shun, where he made solid gains

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@The Cat - @RedSky declared war on Organic Potatoes' Brazilian colony directly, while the Russian's were fighting Shun in China. The Russian's called on their ally the United States to help them out. The U.S mustered an impressive 180k troops at one point. Unfortunately for the Russians, they kept 80k of them protecting the two American military bases at Guantanamo Bay Flyn and Lolland in Denmark. The United States peaced out ceding a sole province to Spanish Louisiana

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While the majority of fighting took place in America and Brazil, Spain did send a small force into Scandinavia that was destroyed. Russia ceded the majority of colonial Russia and lost 31k in battle and 61k to attrition. The Spaniards lost 78k in battle and 50k to attrition.

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While the Spanish-Russian war was ongoing, @Withnail rolled up his sleeves and decided he would join in on the fun. Organic Potatoes was on the receiving end of one of his patented sneaky attacks. Again like in the previous Russo-Turk war, the lack of defensive forts severely hampered the Russian war effort. The Ottoman zerg swarm bypassed the Russian's concentrated forces

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The Russians ceded more of the steppe plains to the Turks. The Russians lost 92k on the field and 76k through attrition. The zerg swarm lost 195k to battle and 290k through attrition.

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Lubeck declared war on @Andycoleno9 and they called in their ally @P-Nut to help. The war was a quick cut and thrust. Denmark ceded 3 provinces, lost his capital and P-Nut received nothing. Despite having 2x the troops of Lubeck and contributing more to the war effort.

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AnotherLondonManc also ended up at war with Dr. Dwayne in his conquests against the heretic princes. Twice. In the first war, Dr. Dwayne was rather sympathetic and peaced the Venetian's out for an indemnity of 320 ducats. In the second war he was less forgiving and the Venetian's lost Trentino.

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The United States declared war on Spanish Louisiana in a reconquest war after they lost a province in the Russo-Spanish war. It pitted 136k Americans vs 19k Spanish Louisianans.

The colony quickly surrendered after only 8 months. It had bigger fish to fry. Namely, bailing out New Spain's ass in its 3 simultaneous wars vs the Aztecs.

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In other news:

  • Emperor Alfonso II of Ferrara died. He was replaced by Emperor Alfonso III of Ferrara. The HRE heretic princes still hold grudges against Dr. Dwayne, although he was slowly winning back support. Interestingly, the Ferrara line has mixed with the Austrian's and they are a cadet line of the Habsburg dynasty, so the long line of Habsburg Emperors hasn't been broken. The new Emperor doesn't seem interested in fighting the Protestants.
  • Andycoleno9 lost his Cameroon colony to Nupe.
  • Dr. Dwayne isn't responding well to his mid life crisis and is declaring war on more German princes, this time with the "crush the peasantry" CB. He took 12 provinces and forced more conversions to Catholicism. He also declared war on Switzerland, who the Emperor Ferrara was obligated to defend. The Emperor was forced to cede territory to the Papal States, while Venice looked on with bowl in hand. The war was a public relations disaster for Dr. Dwayne, with all 7 electors now voting for the next Ferraran candidate. And the timing couldn't have been worse, as the following year the Emperor died and a new Ferraran Emperor was ushered in.
  • New Spain continues being a shit show. In their latest war they were sieged down by Matlazinca and forced to pay them an indemnity of 730 ducats. This resulted in going bankrupt three times in one year. Louisiana by contrast was getting its shit together and blobbing nicely, with The Cat-RedSky support until the U.S declared war.
  • After his colonial war disrupted his African campaign last time around, maniak has resumed his war with Kongo. And lost again. He ceded his remaining provinces in Africa to Kongo.
  • MadDogg ended up at war with Butuan, who bordered his colony in the East Indies, after the British ally Friesland declared war on them. Despite a positive warscore of 30%, MadDogg white peaced out rather than make any gains, leaving the spoils for Friesland. Then Friesland surrendered with a positive 30% warscore. I don't even..
  • MadDogg declared war on Cebu and called harms in. MadDogg's provinces were sieged down and harms NOPE'd the feck out of the war again with a white peace. MadDogg accepted a white peace a couple years later.
  • harms continued taking land from Kilwa, but doesn't share a direct land border with the Ottomans yet
  • Withnail annexed Kiev
  • And before the next 50 year update, I was going to do an alliance map. But there isn't much point. The only current player alliances are between MadDogg and harms and maniak and P-Nut.