The curious case of Alexis - what do we do?

UnrelatedPsuedo said:
He’ll be our player of the year next year.

If he moves on, he’ll outscore our top scorer.

It’s been as horrible a start to a new club as any I’ve seen. But he’s still a top class footballer.
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Is he? He wasn't top class when he left Arsenal - he hadn't been for several months.
 
Coxy said:
Is he? He wasn't top class when he left Arsenal - he hadn't been for several months.
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In my opinion, yes. I don’t think he’s broken.

I think next season he’ll be fit, fast and consistently good.

I truly believe it will be playing for United.
 
UnrelatedPsuedo said:
In my opinion, yes. I don’t think he’s broken.

I think next season he’ll be fit, fast and consistently good.

I truly believe it will be playing for United.
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I just don't know what this could possibly be based on though, apart from hope. Watching him, I don't know how you could think it would suddenly click for him.

I don't like giving up on players, but I just can't bring myself to think he'll come good again. He's also getting more and more injury prone, which isn't helpful either.
 
I don't think Alexis suddenly becomes a bad player. He played his best football in arsenal as CF and plays very close to the box. However that position is not available for him in Man Utd, and he doesn't have the legs to play as LW or RW anymore due to his age, just the same for CR7. It is best for both parties for him to move on. Of course Man Utd will need to subsidize his salary for his next club. IMO there is zero chance he will go to china or US at this stage of his career. It is best for him to move to Italy due to his age and the style of the football over there.
 
UnrelatedPsuedo said:
In my opinion, yes. I don’t think he’s broken.

I think next season he’ll be fit, fast and consistently good.

I truly believe it will be playing for United.
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What could he do that he hasn't already had chance to do?

ThierryHenry14 said:
I don't think Alexis suddenly becomes a bad player. He played his best football in arsenal as CF and plays very close to the box. However that position is not available for him in Man Utd, and he doesn't have the legs to play as LW or RW anymore due to his age, just the same for CR7. It is best for both parties for him to move on. Of course Man Utd will need to subsidize his salary for his next club. IMO there is zero chance he will go to china or US at this stage of his career. It is best for him to move to Italy due to his age and the style of the football over there.
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I'm not convinced it's just him not being used properly, personally. We've played him in several holes here and seen nothing more than a few nice crosses.
 
UnrelatedPsuedo said:
In my opinion, yes. I don’t think he’s broken.

I think next season he’ll be fit, fast and consistently good.

I truly believe it will be playing for United.
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He's already fit, he just isn't fast anymore. He's always consistent to be fair - consistently bad.

People said the same thing about Rooney magically getting his old legs back, won't happen.

He's a striker these days, if he isn't played that way there's no point. He wants to dribble with the ball too much in other positions and playmake, he doesn't want to run which is a problem.
 
Sandikan said:
How much do you think that would cost?!

If he is on somewhere in the 300-500k a week domain, that's something like 18-26m a year! And 3 (is it?) more years on that deal?

So if you had 50-75m in wages contracted, it's probably going to take a minimum of 30-40m to make you give that up! And we're not just shelling that out to get rid. He's not "That" bad.
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Yes he is. That's still a saving of £10-45m in your projections. Would you offer Sanchez £10m in wages if you could get him on a free from somewhere right now, having seen what you've seen for the last 14 months? No fecking way you would. He's utterly abysmal.
 
Alexis didn't improve Arsenal. Arsenal was already in top 4 before they signed him.

Once he came, Arsenal was in top 3 for a while before dropping to top 6. He was a good player at Arsenal but nowhere near top towards end of his Arsenal time (around 2 seasons).

Alexis imo may still function well as the main striker. He's small and slower now but his goals at Arsenal came mainly when he played as main striker or left forward.
 
Find a rich club in USA or in China, share half the wage, and get rid of him.
 
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UnrelatedPsuedo said:
In my opinion, yes. I don’t think he’s broken.

I think next season he’ll be fit, fast and consistently good.

I truly believe it will be playing for United.
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His body has just completely gone I'm afraid. This is like when Falcao was here, I remember just continuously thinking he'll come good any second but the PL is so intense and once you start to decline physically, it's very hard to affect games as an attacker.
 
Zorica said:
Alexis didn't improve Arsenal. Arsenal was already in top 4 before they signed him.

Once he came, Arsenal was in top 3 for a while before dropping to top 6. He was a good player at Arsenal but nowhere near top towards end of his Arsenal time (around 2 seasons).

Alexis imo may still function well as the main striker. He's small and slower now but his goals at Arsenal came mainly when he played as main striker or left forward.
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He did improve us back then, but one of the issue was Wenger couldn't use Giroud the way Deschamps does with French NT and Alexis basically carried us on his own, and eventually lead to his ego bigger than the rest of the team, which i don't blame him.
 
UnrelatedPsuedo said:
In my opinion, yes. I don’t think he’s broken.

I think next season he’ll be fit, fast and consistently good.

I truly believe it will be playing for United.
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There is no evidence up until now which suggests any of this might become true.
 
0le said:
There is no evidence up until now which suggests any of this might become true.
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Yeah, well I’ll still hunt for chocolate eggs at Easter. Don’t lynch me for it.

Buy me beer if I’m right, admonish me if I’m wrong. I can handle it.
 
Alexis Sanchez needs to leave.... I hope the board have the decency to move him on. He just doesn't jive with the team on and off the pitch. He may go to another team and play a lot better but I don't see him doing any good at United. His commercial appeal (which is currently buying him time at United) will fade away eventually.
 
Has anyone said we need to ship him out yet?

Oh, 732 people already...ok then.
 
The parallel I draw is with David Haye. Haye relied on extremely fast movement to land hard punches and evade shots. His punch power came from that explosive speed and his defence came from sharp reflexes, so when he lost 10% of that he was done. Sanchez doesn't have that quickness that gets him away from his marker to start a dribble or hit a powerful shot any more and he doesn't seem to have much more to his game. He's finished. Hopefully we can sell him on his name to a club that just wants the attention.
 
Matt007a said:
The entire wage structure is broken really. When your highest paid player is one of the worst performers it upsets the rest of the squad. Why should De Gea, who has been our best player every season for the last 6 years and is arguably the world's best goalkeeper be paid less than Sanchez? His renewal is already being complicated by the fact he wants equal pay to Sanchez and isn't getting it.

You would think a chairman whose commercial and financial success has been so celebrated would have a greater control on salaries!

Apart from De Gea and Pogba I don't think we have any players who justify more than £150k a week. Even talents like Rashford and Martial are being paid the kind of salaries you'd expect of a player in his prime doing the business week in, week out.

I know published wages are not always accurate, but if you compare ours to Man City it's embarrassing! Lets compare Martial and Rashford to two City players of similar age/talent.

Gabriel Jesus 20 £90,000
Leroy Sané 22 £90,000

Marcus Rashford 21 £150,000
Anthony Martial 23 £250,000

Martial earns more money per week than Bernardo Silva, David Silva, Fernandinho, Kompany, Sterling and the same amount as Sergio Aguero. Sanchez is the standout one that people always mention, but in reality we overpay from top to bottom. You don't need to pay a player £250k a week if you know how to sell your club and the project, which clearly Man City are very good at and Woodward is terrible at.
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Yeah it all started since Woodward took over and Gill left. Rooney got a massive contract and more did follow. We must be so bad at negociations really. We have few world beaters really apart from Pogba who everyone else would die to get. Maybe De Gea too, but he is already a bit overrated and earn too much for a keeper.

Liverpool do far better than us with a smaller budget and they can still get quality players in. City spend a lot, but we do it much worse than them.
 
To be fair, it's difficult to maintain a wage structure when you're constantly bragging about being the world's richest club. Players are going to want what they feel is their fair share.
 
I'm pretty sure that Ole is sensible enough to give him more chances, he still got it and will prove it before the summer.
 
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Matt007a said:
The entire wage structure is broken really. When your highest paid player is one of the worst performers it upsets the rest of the squad. Why should De Gea, who has been our best player every season for the last 6 years and is arguably the world's best goalkeeper be paid less than Sanchez? His renewal is already being complicated by the fact he wants equal pay to Sanchez and isn't getting it.

You would think a chairman whose commercial and financial success has been so celebrated would have a greater control on salaries!

Apart from De Gea and Pogba I don't think we have any players who justify more than £150k a week. Even talents like Rashford and Martial are being paid the kind of salaries you'd expect of a player in his prime doing the business week in, week out.

I know published wages are not always accurate, but if you compare ours to Man City it's embarrassing! Lets compare Martial and Rashford to two City players of similar age/talent.

Gabriel Jesus 20 £90,000
Leroy Sané 22 £90,000

Marcus Rashford 21 £150,000
Anthony Martial 23 £250,000

Martial earns more money per week than Bernardo Silva, David Silva, Fernandinho, Kompany, Sterling and the same amount as Sergio Aguero. Sanchez is the standout one that people always mention, but in reality we overpay from top to bottom. You don't need to pay a player £250k a week if you know how to sell your club and the project, which clearly Man City are very good at and Woodward is terrible at.
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Your general point I agree with but the analogy with City should maybe not be used. I believe there were some leaks which showed they paid player salaries using off-shore accounts or something (don't remember the precise details) but the point was to make it appear that their players had lower wages. Maybe someone else can give further information on whether this is correct or not.
 
UnrelatedPsuedo said:
In my opinion, yes. I don’t think he’s broken.

I think next season he’ll be fit, fast and consistently good.

I truly believe it will be playing for United.
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This season was supposed to be his season.
First Full season and the whole summer off for the 1st time in years to prepare for it.
I watched him in pre season and actually thought he played well up top, but as soon as players started to return he was moved out wide again. That was as good as it got.

I personally think he’s done. I hope I’m wrong.
 
Cliche Guevara said:
Even given these articles are usually nonsense, I just don’t understand what’s being said here.

I’d have thought the board would have been more delighted than anyone if we were able to sell Sanchez. It’s not like he’s of any value to us now.
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Agreed
 
We ALL thought it was a good appointment when we signed him, and denying that will make you look foolish. It hasn't worked out. The lad looks like he has peaked and masively on the decline; BUT, it's not really he's fault, I am sure he does all the right things in training, it was just a signing that hasn't worked out. The problem now though is the silly amount of wages he is on, that is holding up the wage budget.

Tricky one; he has a contract that will earn him multi-millions. He won't be giving that up easily, and neither would any of us. That's football these days!
 
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